The SUPERIOR thread

Everything about Sudoku that doesn't fit in one of the other sections

Postby Ocean » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:03 pm

ab wrote:
Ruud wrote:
Tarek wrote:any opinions

It would be nice for this thread to stabilize at some point. ... We can always start a new batch in another thread ...
Ruud.
I agree with Ruud.



I tend to agree with Ruud and ab, that it would be natural to 'round off' at some point, and end up with a stable collection. For my part, I'm satisfied with filling my quota. It's nice to have as many different contributors as possible, as this guarantees variation, and each contribution is a stimulus for others.


This one shows good variety: Both an x-wing, a hidden triple, a hidden double, a naked pair, and locked candidates. But my counter is not always reliable, as it might count techniques that are 'not needed'... (it has been a useful screening tool though).


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+-------+-------+-------+
| 3 9 . | . 5 . | . . . |
| . 6 . | . 2 . | . 5 9 |
| . . 4 | 3 . . | . . 8 |
+-------+-------+-------+
| 6 . . | . . . | 5 1 . |
| . 5 . | . . . | . 7 . |
| . 4 8 | . . . | . . 2 |
+-------+-------+-------+
| 4 . . | . . 1 | 2 . . |
| 2 1 . | . 8 . | . 9 . |
| . . . | . 7 . | . 4 1 |
+-------+-------+-------+
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Postby ab » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:42 am

I played around with one of vidarino's rejected puzzles and made a slight improvement:

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...|2.5|...
..5|.1.|6..
.8.|4..|.5.
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8.2|..7|..5
.5.|.9.|.6.
9..|5..|7.4
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.3.|..4|.8.
..6|.7.|3..
...|3.1|...
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Re: Fair settlement

Postby Ocean » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:22 pm

fermat wrote:The limit of 100 is arbitrary, as the the limit per person.

How about letting the total exceed 100 but keeping the individual limit?

My interest is that I like the quality puzzles, the more the better!


Fermat: These are extras for you: 50 leftovers. They all contain an X-wing, and should qualify as 'superior' puzzles. They are all quite pretty, since they have full symmetry, rotational and reflectional, 50 different patterns.

Thanks also to Tarek, who 'taught' me how to make them.

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50 leftovers, superior puzzles, full symmetric.
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Re: Fair settlement

Postby fermat » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:58 am

Ocean wrote:Fermat: These are extras for you: 50 leftovers. They all contain an X-wing, and should qualify as 'superior' puzzles. They are all quite pretty, since they have full symmetry, rotational and reflectional, 50 different patterns.

Thanks also to Tarek, who 'taught' me how to make them.


Thank you!!

I redo puzzles, after a week or two, and rarely remember that I did them.
This will help with my collection of pencil puzzles, I do many a day. Too many, says my wife. <sigh>:)
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Postby tarek » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:55 pm

I will be back shortly to sort out the additions to this thread.....slightly busy this week:( but for good reasons:D

In the meantime here are two modifications of JPF's entry which did not make the list.... They are superiors however they will not compete for any medals.

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JPF/tarek #1
 6 . . | 3 1 9 | . . 7 
 . 1 . | 2 . 4 | . 5 . 
 . . . | . . . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 1 8 . | . . . | . 6 9 
 7 . . | . 2 . | . . 1 
 2 4 . | . . . | . 7 5 
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . . . | . . . 
 . 6 . | 1 . 8 | . 3 . 
 9 . . | 7 5 3 | . . 6 

JPF/tarek #2
 6 . . | 3 1 9 | . . 7 
 . . . | 2 . 4 | . . . 
 . 7 . | . . . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 1 8 . | . . . | . 6 9 
 7 . . | . 6 . | . . 1 
 2 4 . | . . . | . 7 5 
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . . . | . 9 . 
 . . . | 4 . 8 | . . . 
 9 . . | 7 5 3 | . . 6 


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Postby JPF » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:25 am

tarek wrote:
In the meantime here are two modifications of JPF's entry which did not make the list.... They are superiors however they will not compete for any medals.

tarek


Thanx Tarek.

Too bad for the medal:(

I have to build a human-solver (which, actually, I don’t have at the moment) with all the appropriate rules.
I will do it during my next vacation !
so, I will hopefully be able to compete and maybe win “a” medal:)

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Postby ab » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:10 pm

another puzzle. needs x wing and hidden and naked pairs and locked candidates for good measure:
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...|..8|...
3.4|..1|7..
...|54.|..2
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..6|.5.|9..
2.3|...|4.1
..1|.6.|5..
-----------
1..|.85|...
..7|2..|3.4
...|9..|...
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Postby tarek » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:38 pm

Ocean,
The highest scoring puzzles from all your latest puzzles were these 2:
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Ocean Score 9
 . 4 . | 1 . 3 | . 8 . 
 6 . . | . . . | . . 1 
 . . 7 | . 2 . | 9 . . 
-------+-------+------
 5 . . | 4 . 2 | . . 3 
 . . 2 | . . . | 1 . . 
 3 . . | 9 . 5 | . . 7 
-------+-------+------
 . . 6 | . 3 . | 4 . . 
 4 . . | . . . | . . 8 
 . 8 . | 7 . 6 | . 1 . 
Ocean Score 7
 . 5 . | 3 . 9 | . 2 . 
 2 . . | 5 . 1 | . . 6 
 . . . | . 4 . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 8 6 . | . . . | . 5 2 
 . . 1 | . . . | 3 . . 
 4 7 . | . . . | . 6 1 
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . 5 . | . . . 
 1 . . | 4 . 7 | . . 5 
 . 4 . | 1 . 6 | . 3 . 

the first will be added to the list, the will not as it did not score a 9.

ab,
the first puzzle scored a 3, so not on the list
the second scored a 6 so it goes on the list replacing Ocean's #86

the 2 modifications of JPF's puzzle will go replacing Oceans #84 & #37

we still have 8 puzzles to replace..........

vidarino, Ruud & Ocean: Any puzzle scoring 9 and above will be added to the list, your lower ranking extra puzzle would then be replaced by an equal other members' puzzles.

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Postby tarek » Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:37 pm

as we approach the 100, I was thinking of the next challenge....

what do you suggest....

I was thinking along two possibilities:

1. stepping down into fiendish terretory (narrow singles path with box line eliminations)

2. stepping up (I would love this): Fish & quads....it has a twist.. there has to be a fish which does not have a 2x2x2..... formation (if n is the fish it should not be formed out of 2n number of cells.) no xy wing, no colouring needed, no finned or turbot.....

what do you think:D

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Postby Red Ed » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:24 pm

If you go for fish, would you mind giving a definitive reference for the patterns you're allowing. We don't all know what "Black Banded Piranha" (or whatever crazy name has been thought up recently) means in the context of sudoku ...

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Postby tarek » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:55 pm

Red Ed wrote:If you go for fish, would you mind giving a definitive reference for the patterns you're allowing. We don't all know what "Black Banded Piranha"


It would be classic fish Red Ed only (ie swordfish, Jellyfish), however I will allow the black banded piranha as we did not have any freshwater fish to date:D

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Postby Ocean » Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:29 am

Not sure how these score, but they have nice symmetry.

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 . . . | . 7 . | . . .
 . . 4 | 6 . 8 | 3 . .
 . 6 . | 5 . 1 | . 8 .
-------+-------+------
 . 3 6 | . . . | 4 9 .
 5 . . | . . . | . . 6
 . 9 7 | . . . | 5 1 .
-------+-------+------
 . 1 . | 7 . 2 | . 5 .
 . . 2 | 4 . 9 | 7 . .
 . . . | . 1 . | . . .
 


 4 . 7 | . . . | 8 . 5
 . 1 . | . . . | . 2 .
 6 . . | 3 . 9 | . . 4
-------+-------+------
 . . 8 | 1 . 5 | 4 . .
 . . . | . 6 . | . . .
 . . 3 | 4 . 7 | 6 . .
-------+-------+------
 3 . . | 5 . 2 | . . 7
 . 2 . | . . . |. 3 .
 9 . 5 | . . . |2 . 8
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Postby ab » Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:18 am

Ocean wrote:Not sure how these score, but they have nice symmetry.


I think both your puzzles score high enough Ocean. But if you're willing to sacrifice a little symmetry, the second puzzle's score can be improved
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 . . 7 | . . . | 8 . 5
 . 1 . | . . . | . 2 .
 6 . . | 3 . 9 | . . 4
-------+-------+------
 . . 8 | 1 . 5 | 4 . .
 . . . | . 6 . | . . .
 . . 3 | 4 . 7 | 6 . .
-------+-------+------
 3 . . | 5 . 2 | . . 7
 . 2 . | . . . | . 3 .
 9 . 5 | . . . | 2 . .
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Postby Ocean » Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:49 am

ab wrote:I think both your puzzles score high enough Ocean. But if you're willing to sacrifice a little symmetry, the second puzzle's score can be improved

OK, thank you!

Here is another one I'm not sure about. It seems it can be solved with "quads only", but also with "two xwings and a triple".
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 . . . | . 3 . | . . .
 . . 7 | 5 . 8 | 1 . .
 . 1 9 | 6 . 7 | 5 2 .
-------+-------+------
 . 9 5 | . . . | 3 1 .
 4 . . | . . . | . . 5
 . 7 3 | . . . | 6 4 .
-------+-------+------
 . 5 4 | 7 . 1 | 2 8 .
 . . 8 | 9 . 2 | 4 . .
 . . . | . 8 . | . . .


And a few more candidates. I hope to replace all my first puzzles with nice symmetric ones - but it's a bit hard as they have to score at least nine points now. Therefore:
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 . . . | 3 . 2 | . . .
 . . 3 | . 1 . | 6 . .
 . 8 . | 5 . 7 |  . 9 .
-------+-------+------
 6 . 2 | . . . | 1 . 5
 . 4 . | . . . | . 3 .
 3 . 1 | . . . | 4 . 2
-------+-------+------
 . 3 . | 7 . 5 | . 4 .
 . . 9 | . 3 . | 7 . .
 . . . | 1 . 6 | . . .

######################

 . . . | 4 . 5 | . . .
 . . 6 | . 8 . | 2 . .
 . 2 . | 6 . 7 | . 1 .
-------+-------+------
 3 . 2 | . . . | 5 . 9
 . 4 . | . . . | . 6 .
 6 . 5 | . . . | 1 . 2
-------+-------+------
 . 6 . | 5 . 2 | . 8 .
 . . 7 | . 9 . | 6 . .
 . . . | 7 . 1 | . . .

######################
 
 . . 4 | . . . | 8 . .
 . . . | 1 . 8 | . . .
 5 . . | . 3 . | . . 9
-------+-------+------
 . 3 . | 9 4 5 | . 7 .
 . . 1 | 8 . 3 | 2 . .
 . 5 . | 7 1 2 | . 3 .
-------+-------+------
 1 . . | . 9 . | . . 6
 . . . | 2 . 7 | . . .
 . . 8 | . . . | 4 . .
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Postby tarek » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:11 pm

I've been away for a couple of days, I was hoping that I would have hundreds of puzzles to siv through, but apparantly not.....:(

I'll update the list with the latest, in the mean time here a snack
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 . 2 . | 8 . 4 | . 5 . 
 . 7 8 | 3 . 1 | 9 6 . 
 . . . | . . . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 . . 2 | 7 . 6 | 3 8 . 
 . . . | . 1 . | . . . 
 . 9 7 | 4 . 8 | 5 . . 
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . . . | . . . 
 . 1 9 | 2 . 7 | 8 3 . 
 . 3 . | 6 . 9 | . 7 . 


Ocean, you seem to get the hang of it, all of your latest puzzles scored 9+, the 4th puzzle you submitted since my last post actually scored a 12:D

The puzzle that ab modified is an improvement over your second puzzle, so ab's will go to replace your puzzle#85

My snack puzzle (scoring a 4:( ), will go to replace vidarino's #41,
the rest Ocean will be added to the list, & if no other member comes with puzzles scoring 4 & above(to replace 11 puzzles now), then I think we have reached our 100 with Ocean's & vidarino's extra puzzles (well, almost)......

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