The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Everything about Sudoku that doesn't fit in one of the other sections

Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby Paquita » Sun Aug 25, 2024 6:47 pm

yes a database would be very welcome for these high BxB,

some more B10B

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1.3.567...5.18....68...7...........436....8.5.......2.53..1....7.8.65....168.3.5.
1.3.567....718....68...75..........436....8.5.......2.53..1....7.8.65....168.3...
1.3.567...5.18....68...75..........436....8.5.......2.53..1....7.8.65....168.3...
1...567...5.18....68.3.7...........436....8.5.......2.53..1....7.8.65....168.3.5.
1...567....718....68.3.75..........436....8.5.......2.53..1....7.8.65....168.3...
1...567...5.18....68.3.75..........436....8.5.......2.53..1....7.8.65....168.3...
1.3..6....5718...6.6.7.3..5..16.8...38..71....7653.......8.76.3......4.........9.
1.3.5.....5718...6.6.7.3..5..16.8...38..71....7653.......8.76.3......4.........9.
1.3.5.....571....686.7.3..5..16.8...38..71....7653.......8.76.3......4.........9.
1.3..6....5718.....6.7.3..5..16.8...38..71.6..7653.......8.76.3......4.........9.
1.3..6....571....68..7.3..5..16.8...38..71....7653.......8.76.3......4.........9.
1.3..6....571.....8..7.3..5..16.8...38..71.6..7653.......8.76.3......4.........9.
...45..8.........6......14.2.8......39.8.4.2..4523..9..34.28...8..9.3...9.254....
...45..8.........6......14.2.8..5...39.8...2..4523..9..34.28...8..9.3...9.254....
...45..8.........6......14.2.8.9....39.8.4.2..4523..9..34.28...8....3...9.254....
...45..8.........6......14.2.8.95...39.8...2..4523..9..34.28...8....3...9.254....
....5..8.4.......6......14.2.8......39.8.4.2..4523..9..34.28...8..9.3...9.254....
....5..8.4.......6......14.2.8.9....39.8.4.2..4523..9..34.28...8....3...9.254....
.23...78.4.7.8..3668....4.......1...36.7.8.......9....7.....8.483.2...67.4....32.
.23...78.4.7....3668....4.......1...36.7.8.......9....7.......483.2...67.4.8..32.
1......894.6.8..2..9..1.6.42.1....68.49.....186....49....56......2.9.........7..6
.......894.6.8.12..9..1.6.42.1....68.49.....186....49....56......2.9.........7..6
1......894.6.8..2..9..1.6.42.1....68.49.....18.....49....56....6.2.9.........7...
.......894.6.8.12..9..1.6.42.1....68.49.....18.....49....56....6.2.9.........7...
.2.4...8..5...923..8...35.4...8.4.53....25.9.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3....94.
.2.4......5..8923..8...35.4...8.4.53....25.9.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3....94.
.2.45..8..5...923..8...3..4...8.4.53....25.9.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3....94.
.2.45.....5..8923..8...3..4...8.4.53....25.9.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3....94.
.2.4...8..5...9.3..8.2.35.4...8.4.53.....5.9.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3....94.
.2.4......5..89.3..8.2.35.4...8.4.53.....5.9.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3....94.
.2.45..8..5...9.3..8.2.3..4...8.4.53.....5.9.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3....94.
.2.45.....5..89.3..8.2.3..4...8.4.53.....5.9.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3....94.
.2.4...8..5...923..8...35.4...8.5.43....2495.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.4......5..8923..8...35.4...8.5.43....2495.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.45..8..5...923..8...3..4...8.5.43....2495.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.4...8..5...9.3..8.2.35.4...8.5.43.....495.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.4......5..89.3..8.2.35.4...8.5.43.....495.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.45.....5..89.3..8.2.3..4...8.5.43.....495.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.4...8..5...923..8...35.4...8.4.53....2594.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.4......5..8923..8...35.4...8.4.53....2594.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.45..8..5...923..8...3..4...8.4.53....2594.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.4...8..5...9.3..8.2.35.4...8.4.53.....594.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.4......5..89.3..8.2.35.4...8.4.53.....594.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.45.....5..89.3..8.2.3..4...8.4.53.....594.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
1.3.567...5.18....68...7..........4.316...8.5........253..1....7.8.6.......8.3...
1...567...5.18....68.3.7..........4.316...8.5........253..1....7.8.6.......8.3...
....567...5.18....68.3.7..........4.316...8.5........253..1....7.8.65.....18.....
..3.567...5.18....68...7..........4.316...8.5........253..1....7.8.6......18.3...
....567...5.18....68.3.7..........4.316...8.5........253..1....7.8.6......18.3...
1...567...5..8....68.3.7..........4.316...8.5........253..1....7.8.65......8.....
..345..89....8.2.3.....2.5.....95.4....2.49.8...83..25.7.......5.2948...6........
..345..89....8.2.3.....245.....95.4....2.49.8...83..2..7.......5.2948...6........
..345..89....892.3.....2.5......5.4....2.49.8...83..25.7.......5.2948...6........
..345..89....892.3.....245......5.4....2.49.8...83..2..7.......5.2948...6........
1.3..67...57....6..8....5.1.38...1..5.6...87.71.....353718.5.......9.......2.....
12...6..9.571.9..66.927...12...6.....16.27...9..5.1.........8.......5..2.......37
12...6..9.571.9..66.927...12..9......16.27....7.5.1.........8.......5..2.......37
1..4.678.4..18...66...27.1....8..4......748.1...61..2...5......79.......8.......2
1..4.678.4..18....6...27.14...8...6.....748.1....1..27..5......79.......8.......2
1..4.678.4..18....6...27.1....8..46.....748.1....1..2...5......79.......8.......2
....567...5.18....68.3.7..........4.361...8.5........253..1....7.8.6.....168.3...
....567...5.18....68.3.7..........4.361...8.5........253..1....7.8.65....168.....
..3.567...5.18....68...7..........4.361...8.5........253..1....7.8.6.....168.3...
1...567...5..8....68.3.7..........4.361...8.5........253..1....7.8.65....168.....
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.361...8.5........251..3....7.8.65..3..68.1...
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.361...8.5........25...3....7.8.65.1..368.....
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.361...8.5........25...3....7...65.13..68.....
1....678.4...8...66...27.41...8.........418.7...67..24..5......79..1....8.......2
1....678.4.......66...27.41...8.........418.7....7..24..5.6....79..1....8.......2
1....678.4...8...66...27.41...8.........418.7....7..24..5.6....79.......8.......2
1.....78.4.......66...27.41...8.........418.7...67..24..5.6....79..1....8.......2
1.....78.4...8...66...27.41...8.........418.7...67..24..5.6....79.......8.......2
1..4..78.4.......66...27.41...8.........418.7....7..24..5.6....79..1....8.......2
1..4..78.4...8...66...27.41...8.........418.7....7..24..5.6....79.......8.......2
1....678.4..18...66...27.14...8.........148.7...67..21..5......79..4....8.......2
1..4..78.4..18...66...27.14...8.........148.7....7..21..5.6....79.......8.......2
1.....78.4..1....66...27.14...8.........148.7....7..21..5.6....79..4....8.......2
1.3..67...57....63.8....5.1.38...1..5.6...87.71......53718.5.......9.......2.....
1.3..678..57....63.8....5...38...1..5.6...87.71......53718.5.......9.......2.....
1....678.4...8...66...27.41...8..1......718.4...64..2...5......79.......8.......2
1....678.4..18...66...27.4....8..1......718.4...64..2...5......79.......8.......2
1....678.4...8....6...27.41...8...6.....718.4....4..27..5......79.......8.......2
1....678.4...8....6...27.41...8..16.....718.4....4..2...5......79.......8.......2
1....678.4..18....6...27.4....8..16.....718.4....4..2...5......79.......8.......2
1....678.4..18...66...27.14...8.........748.1...61..27..5......79..4....8.......2
1..4..78.4..18...66...27.14...8.........748.1....1..27..5.6....79.......8.......2
1.....78.4..1....66...27.14...8.........748.1....1..27..5.6....79..4....8.......2
1.3.567...5...9...69..7............4361...95........2.51...3...7.9.65.3...691....
1.3.567...5...9...69..7............4361...95........2.5....3...7.9.65..1.369.....
1.3.567...5...9...69..7............4361...95........2.5....3...7...65.31..69.....
1....678.4...8...66...27.41...8.........718.4...64..27..5......79..1....8.......2
1....678.4.......66...27.41...8.........718.4....4..27..5.6....79..1....8.......2
1....678.4...8...66...27.41...8.........718.4....4..27..5.6....79.......8.......2
1.....78.4.......66...27.41...8.........718.4...64..27..5.6....79..1....8.......2
1.....78.4...8...66...27.41...8.........718.4...64..27..5.6....79.......8.......2
1..4..78.4.......66...27.41...8.........718.4....4..27..5.6....79..1....8.......2
1..4..78.4...8...66...27.41...8.........718.4....4..27..5.6....79.......8.......2
.2.45.....5..8923..8...3..4...8.4.53....2594.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.45..8..5...9.3..8.2.3..4...8.4.53.....594.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.45.....5..8923..8...3..4...8.5.43....2495.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
.2.45..8..5...9.3..8.2.3..4...8.5.43.....495.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3.....9.
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.361...8.5........253..1....7.8.65.1...68.3...
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.361...8.5........25...1....7...65.13..68.....
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.361...8.5........25...1....7.8.65..3.168.....
1....678.4..18...66...27.14...8.........748.1...61..27..5.4....79.......8.......2
1.....78.4..1....66...27.14...8.........748.1....1..27..5.4....79..6....8.......2
1..4..78.4..18...66...27.14...8.........748.1....1..27..5......79..6....8.......2
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.316...8.5........25...1....7.8.65..3...8.3...
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.316...8.5........253..1....7.8.65..3...8.....
1.....78.4...8...66...27.41...8.........718.4...64..27..5......79..6....8.......2
1....678.4...8...66...27.41...8.........718.4....4..27..5......79..6....8.......2
12...6..9.571.9..66..27...12.........16.27....7.5.1.........8.......5..2.9.....37
1.3..678..57....6..8....5....8...1..5.63..87.71......53718.5.......9.......2.....
1.3.567...5.......69.37.......59163........2.........4.6591..7.7.1.63...9........
1.3..67...5.......69.37.......59163........2.........4.6.91..7.7.1.63...9....5...
.2..56...45.........9..........15.67...2.3..1...67.3......2715..7.3..6.2.1.....73
.2..56...45.........9..........15.67...2.3..1....7.3......2715..7.3..6.2.1..6..73
.2..56...45.........9..........15.67...2.3..1...67.3......27.5..7.3.16.2.1.....73
.2..56...45.........9..........15.67...2.3..1....7.3......27.5..7.3.16.2.1..6..73
1...5..894...8.13...9...5.4...6..........7...9318.....3.5...9....45...1381....45.
1.3.5..894...8.13...9...5.4...6..........7...9318.......5...9....45...1381....45.
1...5..8945..8.13...9.....4...6..........7...9318.....3.....9....45...1381....45.
1.3.5..8945..8.13...9.....4...6..........7...9318...........9....45...1381....45.
..345.7.....7.9.3...9.13..4.37...4158.........6...........9.5.1....7439..9.5...47
..345.7.....7.9.3...9.13.54.37...4158.........6...........9...1....7439..9.5...47
..345.7.9...7.9.3.....13..4.37...4158.........6...........9.5.1....743...9.5...47
..345.7.9...7...3...9.13..4.37...4158.........6...........9.5.1....743...9.5...47
..345.7.9...7.9.3.....13.54.37...4158.........6...........9...1....743...9.5...47
..345.7.9...7...3...9.13.54.37...4158.........6...........9...1....743...9.5...47
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.....73.3..716.2.7..2..5....21...7...5.3.61....6732.
12..56....57.8....8.62.7.1.........3......9..785....62...86...16.27.1........5...
12..56....57.8......62.7.1.........3......9..785....62....6...16.27.1.....8..5...
12.....894.....2...692..14.28.....6.6.1.2...8.94.....1...81.694.....7......3.....
12.....894.........692..14.28.....6.6.1.2...8.94....21...81.694.....7......3.....
.2.......45.189.....6.........3.4.153.....9.85...9..4..3.84..9....9.54.3.....18..
.2........5.189.....6.........3.4.153.....9.85...9..4..3.84..91...9.54.3.....18..
.2........5.189.....6.........3.4.153...1.9.85...9..4..3.84..91...9.54.3......8..
.2.......45.189.....6.........3.4.15......9.85...9.34..3.84..9....9.54.3.....18..
.2.......45.189.....6.........3.4.15....1.9.85...9.34..3.84..91...9.54.3......8..
.2.......45.189.....6...........4.153.....9.85...9.34..3.84..9....9.54.3....318..
.2........5.189.....6...........4.153.....9.85...9.34..3.84..91...9.54.3....318..
.2........5.189.....6...........4.153...1.9.85...9.34..3.84..91...9.54.3....3.8..
.2.......45.189.....6.........3.4.153...1.9..5...98.4..3..4..91...9.54.3......8..
.2........5.189.....6.........3.4.153...1.9.85...98.4..3..4..91...9.54.3......8..
.2.......45.189.....6.........3.4.15....1.9..5...9834..3..4..91...9.54.3......8..
.2.......45.189.....6...........4.153...1.9..5...9834..3..4..91...9.54.3....3.8..
.2........5.189.....6...........4.153...1.9.85...9834..3..4..91...9.54.3....3.8..
.2.......45.189.....6.........3.4.153.....9..5...98.4..3..4..9....9.54.3.....18..
.2.......45.189.....6.........3.4.15......9..5...9834..3..4..9....9.54.3.....18..
.2.......45.189.....6...........4.153.....9..5...9834..3..4..9....9.54.3....318..
1...5..8..57.8..6.86.3.7.1......345..3.....7.........238.67......5.31....71..8...
1...5..8...7.8..6.86.3.7.1......345.53.....7.........238.67......5.31....71..8...
1...5..8...71...6.86.3.7.1......345.53.....7.........238.67......5.3.....71..8...
1.3.5..8...7.8..6.86...7.1......345.53.....7.........238.67......5.31....71..8...
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.....7..7.32..5..3..716.2....6712....2.3..7...5...63
1...5..8..571...6.86.3.7.1......345..3.....7.........238.67......5.3.....71..8...
1.3.5..8...71...6.86...7.1......345.53.....7.........238.67......5.3.....71..8...
.2..56...45......6..9.......1....3...7..2..5..3..716.2....6712....2.3..7...5...6.
12345........8.........7...2.5...94..4..9...2..1....3....9...2..3.5....49.4...5.1
12345........8.........7...2.5...94..4..9.1.2.......3..1.9...2..3.5....49.4...5.1
12345........8.........7...2.5...94..4..9...2..1....3........2..3.5...949.4...5.1
12345........8.........7...2.5...94..4..9.1.2.......3..1.....2..3.5...949.4...5.1
12345........8.........7...2.5...94..4..9...2.91....3....9...2..3.5...94..4...5.1
12345........8.........7...2.5...94..4..9.1.2.9.....3..1.9...2..3.5...94..4...5.1
12345........8.........7....1.5...9..3.9...24..4...5.1.4..9.1.25.2...94..9.....3.
12345........8.........7......5...9..3.9...24..4...5.1.4..9...25.2...94..91....3.
12345........8.........7...2..5...9..3.9...24..4...5.1.4..9...25.....94..91....3.
12345........8.........7....1.....9..359...24..4...5.1.4..9.1.25.2...94..9.....3.
12345........8.........7....1.5...9..3.9...249.4...5.1.4..9.1.25.2...94........3.
12345........8.........7..........9..359...24..4...5.1.4..9...25.2...94..91....3.
12345........8.........7......5...9..3.9...249.4...5.1.4..9...25.2...94...1....3.
12345........8.........7...2......9..359...24..4...5.1.4..9...25.....94..91....3.
12345........8.........7...2..5...9..3.9...249.4...5.1.4..9...25.....94...1....3.
.2.45.....56......8...........94.......5.29.1....13.2..3....29..1..9.4.5.9..25.13
1.3..678..57....6..8....5...38...1..5.6.1.87.7......353718.5.......9.......2.....
1.3..678..57....6..8....5....8...1....631.87.7.......53718.5.......9.......2.....
12...6..9.571.9..6..927...12.........16.27...97.5.1....6....8.......5..2.......37
1....6..9.571.9..6...27...12.........16.27....7.5.1....6....8.......5..2.9.....37
1....678.4...8...66...27.41...8.........718.4...64..27..5.1....79.......8.......2
1....678.4.......66...27.41...8.........718.4....4..27..5.1....79..6....8.......2
1.....78.4.......66...27.41...8.........718.4...64..27..5.1....79..6....8.......2
1..4..78.4.......66...27.41...8.........718.4....4..27..5.1....79..6....8.......2
1..4..78.4...8...66...27.41...8.........718.4....4..27..5......79..6....8.......2
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.316...8.5........253..1....7.8.65.1....8.3...
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.316...8.5........253..1....7...65.13...8.....
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.316...8.5........25...1....7...65.13...8.3...
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.316...8.5........25...1....7...65.13.6.8.....
1.3.567...5..8....68...7..........4.316...8.5........25...1....7.8.65..3.6.8.....
.2..5....45......6..9..........15.67...2.3..1...67.32.....2715..7.3....2.1..6..73
.2..5....45......6..9..........15.67...2.3..1...67.32.....27.5..7.3.1..2.1..6..73
.2..56...45......6..9..........15.67...2.3..1....7.3......2715..7.3....2.1..6..73
.2..56...45......6..9..........15.67...2.3..1....7.3......27.5..7.3.1..2.1..6..73
.2....78.4.7...2.6.86....54..58...67.6.2.....87.6..42......3....4.51...........45
1.3...7.9.57....3.8.....15.....68.9....2.....98............3.1..39..1.7571...58..
1..4.6...4..18.2......72.1.....1.67....82.4...1.6.7.28..5.......3........4....867
1..4.6...4..18.2.6....72.1.....1..7....82.4...1.6.7.28..5.......3........4....867
..3.56..9...1....6.9.37..........8.........2.715....6.53.7.1.9..71.9......6.35...
1.3.56..9...1....6.9.37..........8.........2.715....6.53.7.1.9..7..9......6.35...
1.3.5..8..57.8..6.86...7.1......345..3.....7.........238.67......5.31....71..8...
1.3.5..8..571...6.86...7.1......345..3.....7.........238.67......5.3.....71..8...
12345........8.........7....1.....9..359...249.4...5.1.4..9.1.25.2...94........3.
12345........8.........7..........9..359...249.4...5.1.4..9...25.2...94...1....3.
12345........8.........7...2......9..359...249.4...5.1.4..9...25.....94...1....3.
.2..56...45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1....6132..7..1.6.2.1...7.53.3.52.1..
.2..56...45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1....6132..7..136.2.1...7.5..3.52.1..
.2..56...45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1....6132..7..1.6.2.1.....53.3.52..7.
.2..56...45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1....6132..7..136.2.1.....5..3.52..7.
.2..5....45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1....6132..7..1...2.1.6.7.53.3.52.1..
.2..56...45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1.....132..7..1...2.1.6.7.53.3.52.1..
.2..5....45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1....6132..7..13..2.1.6.7.5..3.52.1..
.2..56...45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1.....132..7..13..2.1.6.7.5..3.52.1..
.2..5....45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1....6132..7..1...2.1.6...53.3.52..7.
.2..56...45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1.....132..7..1...2.1.6...53.3.52..7.
.2..5....45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1....6132..7..13..2.1.6...5..3.52..7.
.2..56...45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1.....132..7..13..2.1.6...5..3.52..7.
.2..56...45......6..9.........5.3.67...27...1....6132..3..176.2.1.....7..7.32..5.
.2..56...45......6..9.........5.3.67...27...1....6132..3..176.2.1.....73.7..2..5.
.2..5....45......6..9.........5.3.67...27...1....6132..3..17..2.1.6...7..7.32..5.
.2..56...45......6..9.........5.3.67...27...1.....132..3..17..2.1.6...7..7.32..5.
.2..5....45......6..9.........5.3.67...27...1....6132..3..17..2.1.6...73.7..2..5.
.2..56...45......6..9.........5.3.67...27...1.....132..3..17..2.1.6...73.7..2..5.
1...5..8...7.8..6.86.3.7.1......345.53...............238.67....6.5.31....71..8...
1...5..8...71...6.86.3.7.1......345.53...............238.67....6.5.31....71..8...
1.3.5..8...7.8..6.86...7.1......345.53...............238.67....6.5.31....71..8...
1.3.5..8...71...6.86...7.1......345.53...............238.67....6.5.31....71..8...
123.5........8.........7......5..39..3.9...24..4...5.1.4..9.1.25.2...94..91....3.
123.5........8.........7......5..39..3.9...249.4...5.1.4..9.1.25.2...94...1....3.
123.5........8.........7...2..5..39..3.9...24..4...5.1.4..9.1.25.....94..91....3.
123.5........8.........7...2..5..39..3.9...249.4...5.1.4..9.1.25.....94...1....3.
123.5........8.........7....1.5..39..3.9...24..4...5.1.4..9.1.25.2...94..9.....3.
123.5........8.........7....1.5..39..3.9...249.4...5.1.4..9.1.25.2...94........3.
123.5........8.........7...2.5...94..4..9.1.2.91....3....9..32..3.5...94..4...5.1
123.5........8.........7...2.5...94..4..9.1.2.9.....3..1.9..32..3.5...94..4...5.1
123.5........8.........7...2.5...94..4..9.1.2..1....3....9..32..3.5....49.4...5.1
123.5........8.........7...2.5...94..4..9.1.2.......3..1.9..32..3.5....49.4...5.1
.2........5.189.....6...........4.153.....9.85...9834..3..4..91...9.54.3....318..
.2........5.189.....6.........3.4.153.....9.85...98.4..3..4..91...9.54.3.....18..
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby Paquita » Sun Aug 25, 2024 6:50 pm

and some B9B

Code: Select all
.....6.89...1.92.6....2.51...691...5..5.68.21..15.29..3.8........2....98.7.......
....56.89...1.92.6....2.51...691...5..5.68.21..1..29..3.8........2....98.7.......
..34.6...4.7.89....9.37.....69..4...7.463.8..83..9.4..........5...7639.8.......2.
..34.....4.7.89...69.37.....69..4...7.463.8..83..9.4..........5...7639.8.......2.
....56.89...1.92.6....2.51...596...1..6..8.25..1..29..3.8........2....98.7.......
....56.89...1.92.6....2.51...596......6.18.25..1..29..3.8........2....98.7.......
.....6.89...1.92.6....2.51...596...1..6..8.2...15.29..3.8........2....98.7.......
.....6.89...1.92.6....2.51...596......6.18.2...15.29..3.8........2....98.7.......
.2.4...8..5..89.3..9...25.4.8..43....36......7...........92.8......3594....8.4.52
.2.4...8..5..8923..9....5.4.8..43....36......7...........92.8......3594....8.4.52
.2.4...89.5..8..3..9...25.4.8..43....36......7...........92.8......35.4....8.4.52
.2.4...89.5..8.23..9....5.4.8..43....36......7...........92.8......35.4....8.4.52
.2.4..7.9.5.7.9.23.9....5...31...4..8...........3.4.......759.....9.32.4...2...57
.2....7.9.5.7.9..3.9...254..31...4..8...........3.4.......759.....9.32.4...24..57
.2....7.9.5.7.9.23.9....54..31...4..8...........3.4.......759.....9.32.4...24..57
.2.4..7.9.5.7.9.23.9....54..7.3.4...83.........1..........759.....9.3..4...2...5.
.2....7.9.5.7.9.23.9....54..7.3.4...83.........1..........759.....9.3..4...24..5.
.......8.457...2.6........129.5.......5..2.6..647......72.95......67.9....62.4...
.2.4..7.9.5.7.9..3.9...25...31...4..8...........3.4.......759.....9.32.4...2...57
.2.45..8..5..89.3..9...2..4.8..43....36......7...........92.8......3594....8.4.52
.2.45..8..5..89.3..9...2..4.8..43....36...4..7...........92.8......3594......4.52
.2.45..8..5..8923..9......4.8..43....36......7...........92.8......3594....8.4.52
.2.45..8..5..8923..9......4.8..43....36...4..7...........92.8......3594......4.52
.2.4...8..5..89.3..9...25.4.8..43....36...4..7...........92.8......3594......4.52
.2.4...8..5..8923..9....5.4.8..43....36...4..7...........92.8......3594......4.52
.2.45..89.5..8..3..9...2..4.8..43....36......7...........92.8......35.4....8.4.52
.2.45..89.5..8.23..9......4.8..43....36......7...........92.8......35.4....8.4.52
.2.45..89.5..8..3..9...2..4.8..43....36...4..7...........92.8......3594......4.52
.2.4...89.5..8..3..9...25.4.8..43....36...4..7...........92.8......3594......4.52
....56.89...1.9..6....2.51...59.......6.18.25..1..296.3.8.9......2....98.7.......
....56.89...1.92.6....2.51...59.......6.18.25..1..296.3.8........2....98.7.......
....56.89...1.9..6....2.51...59....1..6..8.25..1..296.3.8.9......2....98.7.......
....56.89...1.92.6....2.51...59....1..6..8.25..1..296.3.8........2....98.7.......
....56.89...1.9..6....2.51...596......6.18.25..1..29..3.8.9......2....98.7.......
....56.89...1.9..6....2.51...596...1..6..8.25..1..29..3.8.9......2....98.7.......
.....6.89...1.92.6....2.51...59....1..6..8.2...15.296.3.8........2....98.7.......
.....6.89...1.92.6....2.51...59.......6.18.2...15.296.3.8........2....98.7.......
....56.89...1.9..6....2.51...59....1..6..8.2...15.296.3.8.9......2....98.7.......
....56.89...1.9..6....2.51...596...1..6..8.2...15.29..3.8.9......2....98.7.......
.2.45..8..5..8923..9......4.8..3.....36...4..7...........92.8......4395......5.42
.2.45..8..5..89.3..9...2..4.8..3.....36...4..7...........92.8......4395......5.42
.2.45..8..5..8923..9......4.8..34....36...4..7...........92.8.......395......5.42
.2.45..8..5..8923..9......4.8..34....36......7...........92.8.......395....8.5.42
.2.45..8..5..89.3..9...2..4.8..34....36...4..7...........92.8.......395......5.42
.2.45..8..5..89.3..9...2..4.8..34....36......7...........92.8.......395....8.5.42
.2.4...8..5..8923..9....5.4.8..3.....36...4..7...........92.8......4395......5.42
.2.4...8..5..89.3..9...25.4.8..3.....36...4..7...........92.8......4395......5.42
.2.4...8..5..8923..9....5.4.8..34....36...4..7...........92.8.......395......5.42
.2.4...8..5..8923..9....5.4.8..34....36......7...........92.8.......395....8.5.42
.2.4...8..5..89.3..9...25.4.8..34....36...4..7...........92.8.......395......5.42
.2.4...8..5..89.3..9...25.4.8..34....36......7...........92.8.......395....8.5.42
.2.4...89.5..8..3..9...25.4.8..3.....36...4..7...........92.8......43.5....8.5.42
.2.45..89.5..8..3..9...2..4.8..3.....36...4..7...........92.8......43.5....8.5.42
.2.45..89.5..8..3..9...2..4.8..34....36......7...........92.8.......3.5....8.5.42
.2.45..89.5..8..3..9...2..4.8..3.....36...4..7...........92.8......4395......5.42
.2.45..89.5..8.23..9......4.8..3.....36...4..7...........92.8......43.5....8.5.42
.2.4...89.5..8..3..9...25.4.8..34....36......7...........92.8.......3.5....8.5.42
.2.4...89.5..8..3..9...25.4.8..3.....36...4..7...........92.8......4395......5.42
.2.4...89.5..8.23..9....5.4.8..3.....36...4..7...........92.8......43.5....8.5.42
.2.45..89.5..8.23..9......4.8..34....36......7...........92.8.......3.5....8.5.42
.2.45..89.5..8..3..9...2..4.8..34....36...4..7...........92.8.......395......5.42
.2.4...89.5..8.23..9....5.4.8..34....36......7...........92.8.......3.5....8.5.42
.2.4...89.5..8..3..9...25.4.8..34....36...4..7...........92.8.......395......5.42
.2....7.9.5.7.9..3.9...254..7.3.4...83.........1..........759.....9.32.4...24..5.
.2.4..7.9.5.7.9..3.9...254..7.3.4...83.........1..........759.....9.32.4...2...5.
...45..8.4.......6......14..7.8...9..4592..7...8.75.2..92.48......59....8..2.7...
....5..8.4.......6......14..7.8.4.9..4592..7...8.7..2..92.48.....459....8....7...
....5..8.4.......6......14..7.8.4.9..4592..7...8.7..2..92.48...7..59....8..2.....
....5..8.4.......6......14..7.8.4.9..4592..7...8.7..2..92.48......59....8..2.7...
...45..8.........6......14..7.8.4.9..4592..7...8.7..2..92.48.....459....8....7...
...45..8.........6......14..7.8...9..4592..7...8.75.2..92.48.....459....8....7...
...45..8.........6......14..7.8.4.9..4592..7...8.7..2..92.48...7..59....8..2.....
...45..8.........6......14..7.8...9..4592..7...8.75.2..92.48...7..59....8..2.....
...45..8.4.......6......14.2.8.75.9..4592..7.97.8...2..92.48......59....8..2.7...
...45..8.........6......14.2.8.75.9..4592..7.97.8...2..92.48.....459....8....7...
...45..8.........6......14.2.8.7..9..4592..7.97.8.4.2..92.48.....459....8....7...
...45..8.........6......14.2.8.75.9..4592..7.97.8...2..92.48...7..59....8..2.....
...45..8.........6......14.2.8.7..9..4592..7.97.8.4.2..92.48...7..59....8..2.....
....5..8.4.......6......14.2.8.7..9..4592..7.97.8.4.2..92.48......59....8..2.7...
....5..8.4.......6......14.2.8.7..9..4592..7.97.8.4.2..92.48.....459....8....7...
....5..8.4.......6......14.2.8.7..9..4592..7.97.8.4.2..92.48...7..59....8..2.....
12..5.78..57...2.6..8....1......4.......18672...3.......1...5.776.8...21..2...86.
12..5.78..57...2.66.8....1......4.......18672...3.......1...5.77..8...21..2...86.
12..5.78..57.8.2.66......1......4.......18672...3......81...5.77......21..2...86.
12..5.78..57.8.2.6..8....1......4.......18672...3.......1...5.776.....21..2...86.
1.3..67...57..9...96...715..7....59.6.5....17.9....6.3....4.......8.1........53.1
1.3..67.9.57..9...96...715..7....5..6.5....17.9....6.3.1..4.......8.1........53..
1.3..67.9.57..9...96...715..7....5..6.5....17.9....6.3....4.......8.1........53.1
1.3..67...57..9...96...715..7....59.6.5....17......6.3.1..4.......8.1........53..
1.3..67...57..9...96...715..7....59.6.5.....7..1...6.3....4.......8.1........53.1
..345.7..45.7.91...7..315...145.3...3.7.1....59...........4..2.......4.69.....3..
..345.7..45...91...7..315...1.5.3...3.7.1....59..74..........2.......4.694....3..
..345.7..45.7.91...7..315...1.5.3...3.7.1....59...4..........2.......4.694....3..
..345.7..45...91...7..315...145.3...3...1....59..7........4..2.......4.69.....3..
..345.7..45...91...7..315...145.3...3...1....59..7...........2.......4.694....3..
.234....945.7.9..27.9.3...4...5.7..3......8.7.......1...2.43....7.9.5...93.2.....
.234....9.5.7.9..27.9.3...4...5.7..3......8.7.......1...2.43....749.5...93.2.....
.234....945...9..27.9.3...4...5.7..3......8.7.......1...2.43....7.9.5...93.27....
.234....945...9..27.9.3...4...5....3......8.7..7....1...2.43......9.5...93.27....
.234....9.5...9..27.9.3...4...5....3......8.7..7....1...2..3.....49.5...93.27....
.234....9.5...9..27.9.3...4...5.7..3......8.7.......1...2..3.....49.5...93.27....
.......8.457...2.6........129.5.......5.42....647......72.956.....67.9....62.4...
.......8.457...2.6........129.56......5..2....647......72.956.....67.9....62.4...
.......8.457...2.6........129.5.......5.42....647......72.956.....67.9..9..2.4...
.......8.457...2.6........129.5.......5..2.6..647......72.956.....67.9..9..2.4...
.......8.457...2.6........129.56......5..2....647......72.956.....67.9..9..2.4...
.......8.457...2.6........129.5.........42....647......72.956..5..67.9....62.4...
.......8.457...2.6........129.5.........42....647......72.956..5..67.9..9..2.4...
.......8.457...2.6........129.5..........2.6..647......72.956..5..67.9..9..2.4...
.......8.457...2.6........129.5.......5.42.6..647......72.95....4.67.9....62.....
.......8.457...2.6........129.5.......5.42....647......72.956...4.67.9....62.....
.......8.457...2.6........129.5.......5.42....647......72.956...4.67.9..9..2.....
.......8.457...2.6........129.5.........42.6..647......72.95...54.67.9....62.....
.......8.457...2.6........129.5.........42....647......72.956..54.67.9....62.....
.......8.457...2.6........129.5.........42....647......72.956..54.67.9..9..2.....
.......8.457...2.6........129.56.........2.6..647......72.9....5..67.9....62.4...
.......8.457...2.6........129.5..........2.6..647......72.95...5..67.9....62.4...
.......8.457...2.6........129.56.........2....647......72.9.6..5..67.9....62.4...
.......8.457...2.6........129.56.........2....647......72.9.6..5..67.9..9..2.4...
1...5..89.5..8.13...9.3...4.14.9........47......6......41....5383.....9.9.5...8.1
1.3.5..89.5..8.1....9.3...4.14.9........47......6......41....5383.....9.9.5...8.1
1...5...9.5..8.13..89.3...4.14.9........47......6......41....5383.....9.9.5...8.1
1.3.5...9.5..8.1...89.3...4.14.9........47......6......41....5383.....9.9.5...8.1
1...5..89....8.13...9.3.5.4.14.9........47......6......41.....383.....9.9.5...8.1
1.3.5..89....8.1....9.3.5.4.14.9........47......6......41.....383.....9.9.5...8.1
1...5...9....8.13..89.3.5.4.14.9........47......6......41.....383.....9.9.5...8.1
1.3.5...9....8.1...89.3.5.4.14.9........47......6......41.....383.....9.9.5...8.1
1...5..89.5..8.13...9.3...4.41.9........47......6.......4....5383.....9.9.5...8.1
1.3.5..89.5..8.1....9.3...4.41.9........47......6.......4....5383.....9.9.5...8.1
1...5...9.5..8.13..89.3...4.41.9........47......6.......4....5383.....9.9.5...8.1
1.3.5...9.5..8.1...89.3...4.41.9........47......6.......4....5383.....9.9.5...8.1
1...5..89....8.13...9.3.5.4.41.9........47......6.......4.....383.....9.9.5...8.1
1.3.5..89....8.1....9.3.5.4.41.9........47......6.......4.....383.....9.9.5...8.1
1...5...9....8.13..89.3.5.4.41.9........47......6.......4.....383.....9.9.5...8.1
1.3.5...9....8.1...89.3.5.4.41.9........47......6.......4.....383.....9.9.5...8.1
..3.567....6..9.....923.5...4...........72...8.7....2....59.2.6....2739....6.3.5.
..3.567.9..6........923.5...4...........72...8.7....2....59.2.6....2739....6.3.5.
..3.567....6..9.3...92..5...4...........72...8.7....2....59.2.6....2739....6.3.5.
..3.567.9..6....3...92..5...4...........72...8.7....2....59.2.6....2739....6.3.5.
..3.5.7....6..9.....923.56..4...........72...8.7....2....59.2.6....2739....6.3.5.
..3.5.7.9..6........923.56..4...........72...8.7....2....59.2.6....2739....6.3.5.
..3.5.7....6..9.3...92..56..4...........72...8.7....2....59.2.6....2739....6.3.5.
..3.5.7.9..6....3...92..56..4...........72...8.7....2....59.2.6....2739....6.3.5.
..3.567....6..9.....923.5...4...........27...8.7....2....59.2.6....7.39....6.3.5.
..3.567.9..6........923.5...4...........27...8.7....2....59.2.6....7.39....6.3.5.
..3.567....6..9.3...92..5...4...........27...8.7....2....59.2.6....7.39....6.3.5.
..3.567.9..6....3...92..5...4...........27...8.7....2....59.2.6....7.39....6.3.5.
..3.5.7....6..9.....923.56..4...........27...8.7....2....59.2.6....7.39....6.3.5.
..3.5.7.9..6........923.56..4...........27...8.7....2....59.2.6....7.39....6.3.5.
..3.5.7....6..9.3...92..56..4...........27...8.7....2....59.2.6....7.39....6.3.5.
..3.5.7.9..6....3...92..56..4...........27...8.7....2....59.2.6....7.39....6.3.5.
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby denis_berthier » Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:13 am

Hi Paquita,
Paquita wrote:some more B10B

As before, all have a tridagon and 101/237 can be solved by the elementary tridagon rule + W2 + S3.

Paquita wrote: and some B9B

All have a tridagon and 24/151 can be solved by the elementary tridagon rule + W2 + S3.

You have quite a lot of new B10B and B9B (surprisingly more 10 than 9). Do you also have many new B7B and B8B? It would be interesting to check whether all the new B8B have a tridagon (which I guess should be true) and for the B7B to know the origin of those that don't have one.
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby Paquita » Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:28 pm

Yes this started with just B10B's. After a while some B9Bs came up. All the puzzles are related, found with vicinity searches alternated with expands (also expands beyond min-expands).
I did not find any B8B or B7B - I would have reported them. Until now the flow of puzzles is still continuing with this recipe. I suppose it wil stop some time, the BxBs seem to come in clusters and this is a larger cluster.
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby denis_berthier » Wed Aug 28, 2024 5:53 am

Paquita wrote:Yes this started with just B10B's. After a while some B9Bs came up. All the puzzles are related, found with vicinity searches alternated with expands (also expands beyond min-expands).
I did not find any B8B or B7B - I would have reported them. Until now the flow of puzzles is still continuing with this recipe. I suppose it wil stop some time, the BxBs seem to come in clusters and this is a larger cluster.

It's interesting to see that the original B10Bs don't give low BxB.
In [HCCS2], starting with the 3 known B14B and applying BRT+1 expansion, I obtained 187 non-isomorphic minimals (Table 6.14), with no other B14B (nor any BxB, B>6, same as you), but there were lots of low BxBs (and lots of puzzles in T&E(1) - Table 6.15)).
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby Paquita » Wed Aug 28, 2024 4:00 pm

Well to be precise, there are lower BxB's (below 7) in the process, that I did not publish. But it seems that there is a fair chance a B10B will give a new B10B with vicinity or expand search. I also noticed when I found some higher BxB in my earlier files, the puzzles were clustered. But yes, a large cluster like this is new.
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby Paquita » Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:03 pm

The final list for B10B - I have come to the end without generating new high BXB

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1....678.4......366...371.4.9.......7..8.3...8.5..........41..7...6..3.....3.8.61
1..4.678.4......366...371...9.......7..3.8...8.5..........41..7...6..34....8...61
1....678.4......366...371.4.9.......7..3.8...8.5..........41..7...6..3.....8...61
.2.4...8.4.6....3.78..32.6........71......9......74.2.34..6......23.8...6.8.47...
.2.4...8.4.6.8..3.7...32.6........71......9......74.2.34..6......23.8...6.8.47...
.234...8.4.6....3.78...2.6........71......9......74.2..4..6......23.8...6.8.47...
.234...8.4.6.8..3.7....2.6........71......9......74.2..4..6......23.8...6.8.47...
..3..6...4...8.....8937.4...96..7.4.3.49.8.6.87..4........9367.......1..........2
..3..6...4...89....8937.4...96..7.4.3.4..8.6.87..4........9367.......1..........2
.2.4...8.4.6....3.78..32.6........71......9......47.2.34..6......23.8...6.8.7....
.2.4...8.4.6.8..3.7...32.6........71......9......47.2.34..6......23.8...6.8.7....
.234...8.4.6....3.78...2.6........71......9......47.2..4..6......23.8...6.8.7....
.234...8.4.6.8..3.7....2.6........71......9......47.2..4..6......23.8...6.8.7....
..3..6...4...8.....8937.4...9...7.6.3.69.8.4.87..4........9367.......1..........2
..3..6...4...89....8937.4...9...7.6.3.6..8.4.87..4........9367.......1..........2
1..4.678.4......366...371...9.......7..8.3...8.5..........41..7...6..34....3.8.61
.....6...4571........3.....2.....49.....1..7297..2.5.1.12....4759.....2...4...9.5
.....6...4571........3.....2.....49.....1..7297..2.5.1.1......759.....2...42..9.5
1.3.........1.9....8.......2..69.5..5..7..61.7......92.....1.75....6792....52...6
1.3.....9...1.9....8.......2..69.5..5..7..61.7.......2.....1.75....679.....52...6
1.3..67.9.57..9.366.....51....8.....3759.........2....53.6..1.77.1....6...9.....3
1.3..67.9.57..9.366.....51....8.....3759.........2.....3.6..1.77.1....6...9....53
1.3..67.9.57..9.366.....51....8.....3759.........2.....3....1.77.1....6..69....53
12.4..78...71..2.6.68.....42.....1...4....6.77.6..4.28.....1872....3.........5...
12.4..78...71..2.6.68.....428....1...4....6.77.6..4.2......1872....3.........5...
12.4..78...71..2.6.68.....428....14..4....6.77.6....2......1872....3.........5...
1..4.678.4..1...366...374.1.9.......7..8.3...8.5..........14..7...6..3.....3.8.64
1..4.678.4..1...366...374...9.......7..8.3...8.5..........14..7...6..31....3.8.64
1..4.678.4..1...366...374.1.9.......7..3.8...8.5..........14..7...6..3.....8...64
1..4.678.4..1...366...374...9.......7..3.8...8.5..........14..7...6..31....8...64
12..5.7.9.5......6....7.51.29.....5...6...9.27.5...1.......4......3.....961.27...
..345....45...9...6.9.2....24.5...6.....62.9..9.3.....532...64.........1......8..
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby Paquita » Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:05 pm

And for B9B - and that list is larger than the B10B in the final stage of my search

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..3..6...4.7..9.368.......4..86.....7.6.439..9..8.7..........1....3748..........5
..3..6...4.7.89..68.......4..86.....7.6.439..9..8.7..........1....3748..........5
.2..56..9.571.9...6...7....29.6.1....15.27.6...65.....571....92......3.........4.
.2..5...9.571.9..66...7....29.6.1....15.27.6...65.....571....92......3.........4.
..345.7..45.7.91...7..315...145.3...39..17.......4...........2.......4.694....3..
..345.7..45...91...7..315...145.3...39..17.......4........7..2.........694....3..
..34..7..45...91...7..315...145.3...39..17.......4........7..2......5..694....3..
..34..7..45.7.91...7..315...145.3...39..17.......4...........2......5..694....3..
..34..7..45...91...7..315...145.3...39..17.......4........7..2......54.69.....3..
..34..7..45.7.91...7..315...145.3...39..17.......4...........2......54.69.....3..
..345.7..45...91...7..315...145.3...39..17................7..2.......4.694....3..
..34..7..45...91...7..315...145.3...39..17................7..2......54.694....3..
..345.7..45...91...7..315...145.3...39..17................74.2.........69.....3..
..34..7..45...91...7..315...145.3...39..17................74.2......5..69.....3..
..345.7..45.7.91...7..315...145.3...39..17.................4.2.........69.....3..
..34..7..45.7.91...7..315...145.3...39..17.................4.2......5..69.....3..
..34.6...4.7.89...86.........8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....37486.........5
..3..6...4.7.89...86.7.......8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....37486.........5
..34.6...4.7..9.368..........8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....3748..........5
..34.6...4.7.89..68..........8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....3748..........5
..34.6...4.7..9.3.86.........8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....3748..........5
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..3..6...4.7..9.368.......4..8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....3748..........5
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..3..6...4.7.89...86......4..8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....3748..........5
..3..6...4.7..9.368..7.......8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....3748..........5
..3..6...4.7.89..68..7.......8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....3748..........5
..3..6...4.7..9.3.86.7.......8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....3748..........5
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..3..6...4.7..9.3.8.......4..86.....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....37486.........5
..3..6...4.7.89...8.......4..8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....37486.........5
..3..6...4.7.89...8.......4..86.....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....37486.........5
..3..6...4.7..9.3686......4..86.....7...439..9..8.7..........1....37486.........5
..3..6...4.7.89..686......4..86.....7...439..9..8.7..........1....37486.........5
..3..6...4.7..9.3686.7.......86.....7...439..9..8.7..........1....37486.........5
..3..6...4.7.89...86.7.......86.....7...439..9..8.76.........1....37486.........5
..3..6...4.7.89..686.7.......86.....7...439..9..8.7..........1....37486.........5
..34.6...4.7..9.3.86.........86.....7...439..9..8.76.........1....3748..........5
..3..6...4.7..9.3.86......4..86.....7...439..9..8.76.........1....3748..........5
..3..6...4.7.89...86......4..86.....7...439..9..8.76.........1....3748..........5
..3..6...4.7..9.3.86.7.......86.....7...439..9..8.76.........1....3748..........5
1.3..67.9.57..9..6.9...715..1........76...5.39.5....17.6..4.......8..........53.1
1.3..67.9.57..9..6.9...715..1........76...5.39.5....17....4.......8.1........53.1
1.3..67.9.57..9..6.9...715...........76...5.39.5....17.6..4.......8.1........53.1
1.3..67.9.57..9..6.....715...........76...5.39.5....17.6..4......98.1........53.1
1.3..67.9.57..9..6.....715..1........76...5.39.5....17....4......98..........53.1
1.3..67.9.57..9..6.....715..1........76...5.39.5....17....4......98.1........53..
1.3..67.9.57..9..6.9...715...........76...5.39.5....17..1.4.......8..........53..
1.3..67.9.57..9..6.....715...........76...5.39.5....17..1.4......98..........53..
..3..6...4.7.89...86.37...4..8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....7348..........5
..3..6...4.7.89...8..37...4..86.....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....73486.........5
..3..6...4.7.89...86.37......8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....73486.........5
..3..6...4.7.89...8..37...4..8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....73486.........5
..3..6...4.7.89...86.37...4..86.....7...439..9..8.76.........1....7348..........5
..3..6...4.7.89..686.37......86.....7...439..9..8.76.........1....7348..........5
..3..6...4.7.89..68..37......8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....7348..........5
..3..6...4.7.89..686.37......86.....7...439..9..8.7..........1....73486.........5
..3..6...4.7.89...86.37......86.....7...439..9..8.76.........1....73486.........5
..3..6...4.7..9.3.8...7...4..86.....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....73486.........5
..3..6...4.7..9.3.8...7...4..8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....73486.........5
..3..6...4.7..9.3.86..7......8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....7348..........5
..3..6...4.7..9.368...7......8.9....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....7348..........5
..3..6...4.7..9.3686..7......86.....7...439..9..8.7..........1....73486.........5
..3..6...4.7..9.3.86..7......86.....7...439..9..8.76.........1....7348..........5
........945.....36.69...14......8..3...2.....59..4....63..1.95..1..3..649.4.6...1
........945.....36.69...14......8......29....59..4....63..1.95..1..3..649.4.6...1
.........45.....36.69...14......8..3...29....59..4....63..1.95..1..3..649.4.6...1
.........45.....36.69...14......8..3...29..1.59..4....63..1.95..1..3..649.4.6....
........945.....36.69...14......8......2...1.59..4....63..1.95..1..3..649.4.6....
........945.....36.69...14......8......29..1.5...4....63..1.95..1..3..649.4.6....
.........45.....36.69...14......8.9....2.....5...4....63..1.95..1..3..649.4.6...1
.........45.....36.69...14......8.9....2...1.5...4....63..1.95..1..3..649.4.6....
1.3.567....7.8....68...75..........4361...8.........2.5...3....7.8.61....365.8.1.
1.3.567...5..8....68...75..........4361...8.5.......2.5...3....7.8.61....36..8.1.
1.3.567....7.8....68...75..........4361...8.5.......2.5...3....7.8.61....365.8...
1.3.567....7.8....68...75..........4361...8.5.......2.5...3....7.8.61....36..8.1.
1.3..67...5..8....68...75..........4361...8.........2.5...3....7.8.61....365.8.1.
1.3..67...5..8....68...75..........4361...8.........2.5...3....7.8.61.5..365.8...
1.3.567....7.8....68...75..........4361...8.........2.5...3....7.8.61.5..36..8...
1.3..67...5..8....68...7...........4361...8.5.......2.5...3....7.8.61.5..365.8...
1.3..67...5..8....68...75..........4361...8.5.......2.5...3....7.8.61....365.8...
1.3.567...5..8....68...75..........4361...8.5.......2.5...3....7...61..3..6..8.1.
1.3.567....7.8....68...75..........4361...8.5.......2.5...3....7...61..3..6..8.1.
1.3.567....7.8....68...75..........4361...8.........2.5...3....7...61..3..65.8...
1.3.567....7.8....68...75..........4361...8.........2.5...3....7...61.53..6..8...
1.3..67...5..8....68...7...........4361...8.5.......2.5...3....7...61.53..65.8...
1.3..67...5..8....68...75..........4361...8.........2.5...3....7...61..3..65.8...
..345.7..4....9...7...325..2.79......4537....93...4...392...45........1.........6
12...6.8.4....9.2..891...6.2.89.1....1.86....96..42........4.1.........7.9....34.
12...6.8.4....9.2..891...6.2.8..1....1.86....96..42.......94.1.........7......34.
12...6.8.4......2..891...6.2.89.1....1.86....96..42.......94.1.........7......34.
12.....8.4.6..9.2..891...6.2.89.1....1.86....9...42........4.1.........7.9....34.
12.....8.4.6..9.2..891...6.2.8..1....1.86....9...42.......94.1.........7......34.
12.....8.4.6....2..891...6.2.89.1....1.86....9...42.......94.1.........7......34.
..345.7..4....9...7.9.325..2.79..........4....4537...........1.........6932...45.
..345.7..4....9...7...325..2.79......9...4....4537...........1.........6932...45.
1...5...94...89..3.8.1.3..5..13.5...8.5.94...93.81......8...2.4.......7.....4...1
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1...5...94....9..3.8.1.3..5..13.5...8.5.94...93.81..........2.4.......7.....48..1
1.......945..89..3.8.1.3..5..13.5...8...94...93.81......8...2.4.......7.....4...1
1.......945..89..3.8.1.3..5..13.5...8...94...93..1..........2.4.......7.....48..1
1.......945...9..3.8.1.3..5..13.5...8...94...93.81..........2.4.......7.....48..1
.2..5.78.4...8..237...3...52.5....3438......7..7...85......1.......7..42...94....
.2..5.78.45..8..237...3....2......3438......7..7...85......1.......7..42...94....
..34.......678...27...23..623..68....483.....6.7..4.........9..874...2.3.......1.
..34.....4.678...27...23..623..68.....83.....6.7..4.........9..874...2.3.......1.
..34.......678...278..23..623..68....4.3.....6.7..4.........9..874...2.3.......1.
..34.....4.678...278..23..623..68......3.....6.7..4.........9..874...2.3.......1.
.2..5....45......6..9.......3..6715..7.3..6.2.1..2..7.....15.67...2.3..1...67.32.
.2..5....45......6..9.......3..67.5..7.3.16.2.1..2..7.....15.67...2.3..1...67.32.
12...67.9..7..9.6.6.9..2.5127....9....6.....29.5...61.5.1..7......8.........35...
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby denis_berthier » Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:32 pm

Paquita wrote:The final list for B10B - I have come to the end without generating new high BXB

As expected, all have a tridagon - but only 2/32 can be solved with tridagon + W2+S3

Paquita wrote:And for B9B - and that list is larger than the B10B in the final stage of my search

Here also, all have a tridagon - and only 6/116 can be solved with tridagon + W2+S3

Now that your search is finished, could you explain:
- what was your set of seeds ;
- what were your expansion and +p-q techniques ;
- in what sense the search is finished, i.e. what closure property the final list of puzzles has.
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby coloin » Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:41 pm

I can confirm that the B10B and B9B puzzles from before are new, and only a few more twins and minimals generated from the max expands
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.2.45.....56......8...........94.......5.29.1....13.2..3.1.429..1.39.4.5.9..25.13 #3# 95292 FNBP C30/M2.18.364   # 10     11.2
.2.45.....56......8...........94.......5.29.1....13.2..1.3.429..3.19.4.5.9..25.13 #N# 95292 FNBP C30/M2.18.364   # 10
.2.45.....56......8...........94.......5.29.1....13.2..9.3.421..3.19.4.5.1..25.93 #N# 95292 FNBP C30/M2.18.364   # 10
12.....894.6.8.12..98.1.6.42.1....68.49.....186....49....56....6.2.9.........7..6 #5# 95244 FNBP C32/M2.33.198   # 10
.23...78.4.7.8..3668....4.......1...36.7.8.......9....7.2...8.483.2...67.468..32. #5# 95237 FNBP C32/M2.33.198   # 10
1.3.56....5718...686.7.3..5..16.8...38..71.6..7653.......8.76.3......4.........9. #5# 95237 FNBP C32/M2.33.198   # 10
1.3.567...5718....68.3.75..........436....8.5.......2.53..1....7.8.65....168.3.5. #5# 95214 FNBP C32/M2.33.198   # 10
...45..8.4.......6......14.2.8.95...39.8.4.2..4523..9..34.28...8..9.3...9.254.... #5# 95207 FNBP C32/M2.33.198   # 10
12....7.9.57...23...9....15...6.........75192.....4....12.3.95.7.5...3.193.....27 #7# 95151 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...27.14...8..46.....748.1...61..27..5......79.......8.......2 #7# 95146 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...27.14...8..64.....148.7...67..21..5......79.......8.......2 #7# 95146 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...27.14...8..64.....748.1...61..27..5......79.......8.......2 #7# 95146 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...27.41...8..16.....718.4...64..27..5......79.......8.......2 #7# 95146 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...27.41...8..61.....418.7...67..24..5......79.......8.......2 #7# 95146 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...27.41...8..61.....718.4...64..27..5......79.......8.......2 #7# 95146 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10
12..56..9.571.9..66.927...12..96.....16.27...97.5.1.........8.......5..2.......37 #7# 95146 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10
..345..89....892.3...3.245.....95.4....2.49.8...83..25.7.......5.2948...6........ #7# 95139 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10
1.3.567...5718....68.3.7..........4.316...8.5........253..1....7.8.65....618.3... #7# 95139 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10
1.3.567...5718....68.3.7..........4.361...8.5........251..3....7.8.65....368.1... #7# 95139 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10     11.8
1.3.567...5718....68.3.7..........4.361...8.5........253..1....7.8.65....168.3... #7# 95139 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10
1.3.567...571.9...69.37............4361...95........2.51...3...7.9.65....3691.... #7# 95136 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10     11.8
1.3..678..57....6368....5.1.38...1..5.6...87.71.....353718.5.......9.......2..... #7# 95134 FNBP C31/M2.21.312   # 10
.2345..8.45..89.3.8.93.2...2.8.45.....593....93.2.8.........6....2....47....24.9. #1# 21235 FNBP C32/M2.13.1008  # 10
.2..56...45......6..9..........15.67...2.3..1...67.32.....2715..7.3.16.2.1.56..73 #1#  2269 FNBP C32/M2.47.139   # 10
.2....78.4.7...2.6.86....542.58...67.642..5.887.6..42......3....4.51...........45 #5#  1639 FNBP C32/M2.60.109   # 10
1..4.678.4..18.2.6....72.14....1.67....82.4.1.1.6.7.28..5.......3........4....867 #5#  1639 FNBP C32/M2.60.109   # 10
1.3...7.9.57....3.89....15.....68.9....2.....98.......5.8..391..39..1.7571...58.3 #5#  1635 FNBP C32/M2.60.109   # 10
1.3.5..8945..8.13..89...5.4...6..........7...9318.....3.5...9...945...1381....45. #5#  1635 FNBP C32/M2.60.109   # 10
1.3.56..9.571.9..669.37..........8.........2.715....6.53.7.1.9..71.9....9.6.35... #5#  1635 FNBP C32/M2.60.109   # 10
....56.89...1.92.6....2.15...561.89...95.8.12..1.926.53.........78.6...........68 #7#  1265 FNBP C32/M2.45.145   # 10
.2.45.7.9.5.7.9.23.9..3254..31...4..8...........3.4.......752.....2.39.4...94..57 #7#  1265 FNBP C32/M2.45.145   # 10
1..4.678.4..18.2.6....27.41....7.61....81.4.2.1.6.2.78.3.........5.......4....867 #7#  1265 FNBP C32/M2.45.145   # 10
12..567...5718.2..6.87.2...........3.......9....561.2..7582....81.6.5.7...6.17... #7#  1265 FNBP C32/M2.45.145   # 10
....56.89...1.92.6....2.15...596.81...6.129.5..15.8.623.........78.9...........98 #7#  1263 FNBP C32/M2.45.145   # 10
...4.678.4..18..366...371.4.6.371.....5.......9........4.7.38.1....14.7....86..43 #7#  1263 FNBP C32/M2.45.145   # 10
...4.678.4..18..366...731.4.6.731.....5.......9........4.3.78.1....14.7....86..43 #7#  1263 FNBP C32/M2.45.145   # 10
........945....2........51.26..358..3.48.26...8564.3..54.3.8....362.....8.2.64... #7#   472 FNBP C32/M1.1.39   # 10
........945....2........51.28..356..3.46.28...6584.3..54.3.8....362.....8.2.64... #7#   472 FNBP C32/M1.1.39   # 10
....56.89...1.92.6....2.15...596.81...6.129.5..15.8.623.8........2....98.7....... #7#   463 FNBP C32/M1.1.39   # 10
....56.89...1.92.6....2.15...561.89...95.8.12..1.926.53.8........2....68.7....... #7#   463 FNBP C32/M1.1.39   # 10
12..567...5718.2..6.87.2...........3.......9....5618.2.7582....81.6.5.....6.17... #7#   463 FNBP C32/M1.1.39   # 10
1.3.56..9.571.9..669.73..........8..715...9.3.......2.3.9.65...57.3.1....61.7.... #7#   404 FNBP C32/M1.1.39   # 10
.2.45.7.9.5.7.9.23.9..3254..7.3.4...83.........1..........752.....2.39.4...94..57 #7#   397 FNBP C32/M1.1.39   # 10
12.....894.....2.6.692..14.28.....6.6.1.2...8.94....21...81.694.....7......3..... #1#   329 FNBP C30/M1.2.49   # 10
12..56....5718....8.62.7.1.........3......9..785....6257.86...16.27.1....18..5... #2#   316 FNBP C32/M1.2.53   # 10
1.3.567...571.9...69.37.......59163........2.........4.6591..7.7.1.63...9..7.5... #2#   315 FNBP C32/M1.2.53   # 10
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.6.537..7.32..51.3..716.2....6712....2.3..7...51..63 #2#   310 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
.2..567.9.5.7.9.32...23.56.2...6739....59.2.6...3.2..756.973...8..........4...... #N#   310 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
.2.45..89.5..8923..8.2.35.4...8.4.53....2549.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3....94. #3#   310 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
.2.45..89.5..8923..8.2.35.4...8.4.53....2594.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3....49. #3#   310 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
.2.45..89.5..8923..8.2.35.4...8.5.43....2495.....3.8.2.91.4....7.........3....49. #3#   310 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
.2.......45.189.....6.........3.4.153..51.9.85...9834..3.84..91...9.54.3....318.. #4#   304 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
1.3.56.8..5718..6.86.3.7.1......345.53.....7.........238.67....6.5.31....71..8... #4#   304 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
12345........8.........7...2.5...94.34..9.1.2.91....3.51.9..32..325...949.4...5.1 #4#   274 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
12345........8.........7...21.5..39..359...249.4...5.134..9.1.25.2...94..91....3. #4#   274 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.6.5.73.3..716.2.7.32.15....21...7...5.3.61....6732. #2#   304 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
.2..56...45......6..9.......7.6.1.53.1..736.2.3.52.17....21...7...3.5.61....6732. #N#   304 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
.2..56...45......6..9.........3.5.67...27...1....6132..7..136.2.1.6.7.53.3.52.17. #3#   300 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
.2..56...45......6..9.........5.3.67...27...1....6132..3..176.2.1.6.5.73.7.32.15. #3#   300 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
.2..56...45......6..8.......7.51.6.3.3.6.712..1..32.57....75.61...3.1..2...26.37. #8#   300 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10     11.8
..345..89....8923...83.24.5....9.84.8..5.4.92...82.5.33.2...954.1.......7........ #8#   299 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
1.345....45..89....983........5..1.75.1...8.........2.31.9.54...85.439..9.481.3.. #8#   299 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10     11.8
12..56..9.571.9..66.927....29.6.1....71.25.6.5.67.....715....92......3.........4. #8#   299 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10     11.8
....56.89...1.926.....2.1.5..691.85...5.68.12..15.29.63.8.9......2....98.7....... #8#   296 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
....56.89...1.92.6....2.15...691.8.5..5.68.21..15.296.3.8.9......2....98.7....... #8#   296 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
....56.89...1.92.6....2.15...596.8.1..6.18.25..15.296.3.8.9......2....98.7....... #8#   296 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
.2.45..89.5..8923..9.3.25.4.8..43....36...4..7...........29.8......3594....8.4.52 #8#   296 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
..345..89....8923...83.25.4...9..4.33...45.92...23.85..1.......7........8.2...945 #3#   281 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
..34.678...718..36..6.371.4....64.17...8.364....71.3...98...4..5..........1.48... #3#   280 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
..345.7.9...7.913...9.13.54.37...4158.........6...........9.5.1....7439..9.5.1.47 #3#   277 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10
..345.7.9...7.913...9.13.54.37...4158.........6...........9.5.1....7439..9.1.5.47 #3#   275 FNBP C33/M1.2.54   # 10

.2.45.7.9.5.7.9.23.9..3254..7.3.4...83.........1..........759.....9.3..4...24..5. #1# 95204 FNBP C30/M2.23.570   #  9      11.8
.......8.457...2.6........129.56....7.5.42.6..647......72.956..54.67.9..9.62.4... #7#  2361 FNBP C33/M2.97.67    #  9
1.3..67.9.57..9.3696...715..7....59.6.5....17.91...6.3.1..4.......8.1........53.1 #7#  2352 FNBP C33/M2.97.67    #  9
...45..8.4.......6......14.2.8.75.9..4592..7.97.8.4.2..92.48...7.459....8..2.7... #7#  2346 FNBP C33/M2.97.67    #  9
...45..8.4.......6......14.27.8.4.9..4592..7.9.8.75.2..92.48...7.459....8..2.7... #7#  2346 FNBP C33/M2.97.67    #  9
12..5.78..57.8.2.66.8....15.....4.......18672...3......81...5.776.8...21..2...86. #7#  2345 FNBP C33/M2.97.67    #  9
1.345.7..45.7.91...79.315...145.3...3.7.1....59..74.......4..2.......4.694....3.. #7#  2343 FNBP C33/M2.97.67    #  9
.2345...945.7.9..27.9.32..4...5.7..3......8.7..7....1...2.43....749.5...93.27.... #7#  2342 FNBP C33/M2.97.67    #  9
..3.567.9..67.9.32..923.56..4...........27...8.7....2....59.2.6....7239....6.3.5. #3#  1265 FNBP C32/M2.49.133   #  9
..3.567.9..67.9.32..923.56..4...........72...8.7....2....59.2.6....2739....6.3.5. #3#  1265 FNBP C32/M2.49.133   #  9
.2.45.7.9.5.7.9.23.9..3254..31...4..8...........3.4.......759.....9.32.4...24..57 #3#  1253 FNBP C32/M2.49.133   #  9
1.3.5..8945..8.13..89.3.5.4.14.9........47......6......41....5383.....9.9.5...8.1 #3#   474 FNBP C32/M1.1.39     #  9
1.3.5..8945..8.13..89.3.5.4.41.9........47......6......14....5383.....9.9.5...8.1 #3#   474 FNBP C32/M1.1.39     #  9
.2.45.7.9.5.7.9.23.9..3254..7.3.4...83.........1..........759.....9.32.4...24..57 #3#   401 FNBP C32/M1.1.39     #  9
.2345....45.7.9.3.7.9.32.4.........8......1.....927.53.72.95..45.437....9..2.4... #4#   310 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.6.537..3.27..51.7..316.2....6712....3.2..7...51..63 #4#   309 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.6.537..7.23..51.3..716.2....6712....3.2..7...51..63 #4#   309 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
1.3....8945...913..89..15.4.341...5881....4..9.5...3.1...6.....5489.3.......7.... #4#   304 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
....56.89...1.92.6....2.51...691.8.5..5.68.21..15.296.3.8.9......2....98.7....... #7#   302 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
....56.89...1.92.6....2.51...596.8.1..6.18.25..15.296.3.8.9......2....98.7....... #7#   302 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
..34.6...4.7.89...69.37...4.698.4...7.463.8..83..974..........5...7639.8.......2. #7#   302 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
.2.45..89.5..8923..9.3.25.4.8..34....36...4..7...........92.8......4395....8.5.42 #7#   302 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
.2.45..89.5..8923..9.3.25.4.8..43....36...4..7...........92.8......3594....8.4.52 #7#   302 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
12..56..9.571.9..66.927....29.6.1....15.27.6.7.65.....571....92......3.........4. #N#   305 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
12..56....5718...66.82.7..126...8....716.5...8.572..6........9.782....15......4.. #N#   303 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
1.3.56.8..5718..3.68.7.3.5..6153....7.56.8...83..7........6.91.........2.16....7. #6#   301 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
1.3.56.8..5718..3.68.7.3.5..1563....7.65.8...83..7........6.91.........2.61....7. #6#   301 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
1.3.56.8..5718..3.68.7.3.5..1653....7.56.8...83..7........6.91.........2.61....7. #6#   301 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
1.3.56.8..5718..3.68.7.3.5..6183....53..7....7.86.5.......6.91.........2.16....7. #6#   296 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
1.3.56.8..5718..3.68.7.3.5..1683....53..7....7.86.5.......6.91.........2.61....7. #6#   296 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9
1.3.56.8..5718..3.68.7.3.5..1863....53..7....7.68.5.......6.91.........2.61....7. #6#   296 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9

New Twin Expands
.2.45.....56......8...........94.......5.29.1....13.2..1.3.429..3.19.4.5.9..25.13 #N# 95292 FNBP C30/M2.18.364   # 10
.2.45.....56......8...........94.......5.29.1....13.2..9.3.421..3.19.4.5.1..25.93 #N# 95292 FNBP C30/M2.18.364   # 10
.2..567.9.5.7.9.32...23.56.2...6739....59.2.6...3.2..756.973...8..........4...... #N#   310 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     # 10
.2..56...45......6..9.......7.6.1.53.1..736.2.3.52.17....21...7...3.5.61....6732. #N#   304 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     # 10
12..56..9.571.9..66.927....29.6.1....15.27.6.7.65.....571....92......3.........4. #N#   305 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9     
12..56....5718...66.82.7..126...8....716.5...8.572..6........9.782....15......4.. #N#   303 FNBP C33/M1.2.54     #  9



New minimal puzzles
.2.45.....56......8...........94.......5.29.1....13.2..3...429..1..9.4.5.9..2..13
.2.45.....56......8...........94.......5.29.1....13.2..1.3..29..3.19.4.5.9..25.13
.2.45.....56......8...........94.......5.29.1....13.2..1.3.429..3.19.4.5.9..2..13
.2.45.....56......8...........94.......5.29.1....13.2..9.3..2...3.19.4.5.1..25..3
.2.45.....56......8...........94.......5.29.1....13.2..9.3.42...3.19.4.5.1..2...3
.2...6..9.5.7.9.3....2..56.2...67.9....59.2.6...3.2..756.973...8..........4......
.2...67.9.5...9.3....2..56.2...67.9....59.2.6...3.2..756.973...8..........4......
.2...6..9.5.7.9.32......56.2...67.9....59.2.6...3.2..756.973...8..........4......
.2...67.9.5...9.32......56.2...67.9....59.2.6...3.2..756.973...8..........4......
.2...6..9.5.7.9.3....23.56.2...6739....59.2.6.....2..756.973...8..........4......
.2...67.9.5...9.3....23.56.2...6739....59.2.6.....2..756.973...8..........4......
.2...6..9.5.7.9.32....3.56.2...6739....59.2.6.....2..756.973...8..........4......
.2...67.9.5...9.32....3.56.2...6739....59.2.6.....2..756.973...8..........4......
.2..5....45......6..9.......1.6...7..3..71..2.7.32..5....21...7...5.3.61....6732.
.2..5....45......6..9.......1.6...73.3..71..2.7..2..5....21...7...5.3.61....6732.
.2..5....45......6..9.......1.6...7..3..71..2.7.32.15....21...7...5.3.6.....6732.
.2..5....45......6..9.......1.6...73.3..71..2.7..2.15....21...7...5.3.6.....6732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.6...7..3..71..2.7.32..5....21...7...5.3.61.....732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.6...73.3..71..2.7..2..5....21...7...5.3.61.....732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.6...7..3..71..2.7.32.15....21...7...5.3.6......732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.6...73.3..71..2.7..2.15....21...7...5.3.6......732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.....7..3..716.2.7.32..5....21...7...5.3.61....6732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.....7..3..716.2.7.32.15....21...7...5.3.6.....6732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......1.....73.3..716.2.7..2.15....21...7...5.3.6.....6732.
.2..5....45......6..9.......7.6...5..1..73..2.3.52.1.....21...7...3.5.6.....6732.
.2..5....45......6..9.......7.6...53.1..7...2.3.52.1.....21...7...3.5.6.....6732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......7.6...5..1..73..2.3.52.1.....21...7...3.5.6......732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......7.6...53.1..7...2.3.52.1.....21...7...3.5.6......732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......7.....5..1..736.2.3.52.1.....21...7...3.5.6.....6732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......7.....53.1..7.6.2.3.52.1.....21...7...3.5.6.....6732.
.2..5....45......6..9.......7.6.1.5..1..73..2.3.52..7....21...7...3.5.61....6732.
.2..5....45......6..9.......7.6.1.53.1..7...2.3.52..7....21...7...3.5.61....6732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......7.6.1.5..1..73..2.3.52..7....21...7...3.5.61.....732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......7.6.1.53.1..7...2.3.52..7....21...7...3.5.61.....732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......7...1.5..1..736.2.3.52..7....21...7...3.5.61....6732.
.2..56...45......6..9.......7...1.53.1..7.6.2.3.52..7....21...7...3.5.61....6732.

.2..5...9.571.9..66..27....29.6.1....15.2....7.65.....571....92......3.........4.
.2..5...9.571.9..66...7....29.6.1....15.27.6...65.....571....92......3.........4.
.2..56..9.571.9...6...7....29.6.1....15.27.6...65.....571....92......3.........4.
.2..5...9.571.9..66..27....29.6.1....15.27.....65.....571....92......3.........4.
.2..56..9.571.9...6..27....29.6.1....15.2..6.7.65.....571....92......3.........4.
....5.....5718...66.82.7..126...8.....16.5...8.572...........9.782....15......4..
....56....5718...6..82.7..126...8.....16.5...8.572...........9.782....15......4..
.2..5.....5718...66.8..7..126...8.....16.5...8.572...........9.782....15......4..
.2..56....5718...6..8..7..126...8.....16.5...8.572...........9.782....15......4..
..34.....4.7.89...69.37...4.6...4...7.463.8..83..9.4..........5...7639.8.......2.
.2.4...89.5..8.23..9....5.4.8..3.....36...4..7...........92.8......4395......5.42
.2.45..89.5..8.23..9......4.8..3.....36...4..7...........92.8......4395......5.42
.2.4...89.5..8.23..9....5.4.8..34....36...4..7...........92.8.......395......5.42
.2.45..89.5..8.23..9......4.8..34....36...4..7...........92.8.......395......5.42
.2.4...89.5..8.23..9....5.4.8..43....36...4..7...........92.8......3594......4.52
.2.45..89.5..8.23..9......4.8..43....36...4..7...........92.8......3594......4.52
12.....894.......6..92..14.28.......6.1.2...8.94....21...81.694.....7......3.....
12.....894.....2.6..92..14.28.......6.1.2...8.94.....1...81.694.....7......3.....
.2..5....45......6..9.......1.6..3...7..2..5..3..716.2....6712....2.3..7...5...6.
.2..5....45......6..9.......1.6...7..7.32..5..3..716.2....6712....2.3..7...5...63
....56.89...1.9..6....2.51...691...5..5.68.21..1..29..3.8.9......2....98.7.......
....56.89...1.9..6....2.51...59.......6.18.2...15.296.3.8.9......2....98.7.......
....56.89...1.9..6....2.51...596......6.18.2...15.29..3.8.9......2....98.7.......
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby coloin » Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:51 am

Similarly the last batch of 9s and 10s, two were new in the previous lot
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..34.6...4...89....8937.4...94.37.6.3.69.8.4.87.64........9367.......1..........2 #2 #2594 FNBP C31/M2.20.328#10#
..34.6...4...89....8937.4...96.37.4.3.49.8.6.87.64........9367.......1..........2 #2 #2594 FNBP C31/M2.20.328#10#
                                                                                                                 
.234.6.8.4.678..3.78..32.6........71......9......47.2.34..6......23.8...6.8.74... #8 #3527 FNBP C31/M2.24.273#10#
.234.6.8.4.678..3.78..32.6........71......9......74.2.34..6......23.8...6.8.47... #8 #3527 FNBP C31/M2.24.273#10#
.2345....45...9...6.9.23...24.59..6.3.5.62.9..963.....532...64.........1......8.. #8 #3521 FNBP C31/M2.24.273#10#
1..4.678.4..18..366...371.4.9.......7..3.8...8.5..........41..7...6..34....8.3.61 #8 #3527 FNBP C31/M2.24.273#10#
1..4.678.4..18..366...371.4.9.......7..8.3...8.5..........41..7...6..34....3.8.61 #8 #3527 FNBP C31/M2.24.273#10#
1..4.678.4..18..366...374.1.9.......7..3.8...8.5..........14..7...6..31....8.3.64 #8 #3527 FNBP C31/M2.24.273#10#
1..4.678.4..18..366...374.1.9.......7..8.3...8.5..........14..7...6..31....3.8.64 #8 #3527 FNBP C31/M2.24.273#10#
12..5.7.9.57.....66.9.7.51.29.....5..16...9.27.5...16......4......3.....961.27... #8 #3521 FNBP C31/M2.24.273#10#
                                                                                                                 
.....6...4571........3.....2.1...49..45.1..7297..2.5.1.12....4759.....2.7.42..9.5 #8 #1614 FNBP C32/M2.45.145#10#
1.3.....9...1.9....8.......2..69.5.75..7.261.7...15.92...9.1.75....6792....52...6 #8 #1614 FNBP C32/M2.45.145#10#
1.3..67.9.57..9.3669....51....8.....3759.........2....53.6..1.77.1....6..69....53 #8 #1610 FNBP C32/M2.45.145#10#
12.4..78.4.71..2.6.68....1428....14..4....6.77.6..4.28.....1872....3.........5... #8 #1614 FNBP C32/M2.45.145#10#
.2.45..89.5..8912..9.1.24.5.....895....91.8.2...2.5.14.......416.........47..1... #8N#1610 FNBP C32/M2.45.145#10#
.2.45..89.5..8912..9.1.24.5.....895....91.8.2...2.5.41.......146.........47..1... #8N#1610 FNBP C32/M2.45.145#10#
1.3.....9...1.9....8.......2...15.975..7.261.7..69.5.2...9.1.75....6792....52...6 #8N#1614 FNBP C32/M2.45.145#10#
...45.78.....8.2.38..3.2.45.7.84.53.....25.78.8.7.34.2..1......7.....3549........ #8N#1610 FNBP C32/M2.45.145#10#
                                                                                                                 
.2..56...45......6..9.......3..6715..7.3.16.2.1.52..73....15.67...2.3..1...67.32. #8 #1209 FNBP C33/M2.72.91 # 9#
.23.5.78.45..8..237.8.3.4.52.5....3438....2.7..7...85......1.......7..42..294.... #8 #1209 FNBP C33/M2.72.91 # 9#
.234.6...4.678...278..23..623..68....4837.6..6.7..4.........9..874...2.3.......1. #8 #1209 FNBP C33/M2.72.91 # 9#
.2345.7..45.7.9...7.9.325..2.79......4537....93..24.7.392...45........1.........6 #8 #1202 FNBP C33/M2.72.91 # 9#
.2345.7..45.7.9...7.9.325..2.79.....39..24.7..4537...........1.........6932...45. #8 #1202 FNBP C33/M2.72.91 # 9#
12.4.6.8.4.6.89.2..8912..6.2.89.1....1.86....96..42.......94.1.........7.9....34. #8 #1202 FNBP C33/M2.72.91 # 9#
1.345...945..89..3.891.3..5..13.5...8.5.94...93.81......8...2.4.......7.....48..1 #8 #1202 FNBP C33/M2.72.91 # 9#
12...67.9.57..926.6.9..2.5127....9...16....729.5...61.5.1..7......8.........351.. #8 #1202 FNBP C33/M2.72.91 # 9#
                                                                                                                 
........945.....36.69...14......8.93...29..1.59..4....63..1.95..15.3..649.4.6.3.1 #6 # 419 FNBP C33/M2.125.52# 9#
..34.6...4.7.89.3686.37...4..869....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....73486.........5 #6 # 418 FNBP C33/M2.125.52# 9#
..34.6...4.7.89.3686.73...4..869....7.6.439..9..8.76.........1....37486.........5 #6 # 418 FNBP C33/M2.125.52# 9#
1.3..67.9.57..9.3669...715..1........76...5.39.5....17.61.4......98.1........53.1 #6 # 429 FNBP C33/M2.125.52# 9#
1.3.567...57.8....68...75..........4361...8.5.......2.51..3....7.8.61.53.365.8.1. #6 # 419 FNBP C33/M2.125.52# 9#
1.345.7..45.7.91...79.315...145.3...39..17.......4........74.2......54.694....3.. #6 # 419 FNBP C33/M2.125.52# 9#
                                                                                                                 
New Minimals                                                                                                     
.2.4...8..5..891...9...2..5.....895.....1.8.2...2.5..4.......416.........47..1...#10#                           
.2.45..8..5..891...9...2........895.....1.8.2...2.5..4.......416.........47..1...#10#                           
.2.4...89.5..8.1...9...2..5.....895....91.8.2...2.5..4.......416.........47..1...#10#                           
.2.45..89.5..8.1...9...2........895....91.8.2...2.5..4.......416.........47..1...#10#                           
.2.4...8..5..891...9.1.2..5.....895....91.8.2...2.5..4.......416.........47......#10#                           
.2.4...89.5..8.1...9.1.2..5.....895....91.8.2...2.5..4.......416.........47......#10#                           
.2.45..8..5..891...9.1.2........895....91.8.2...2.5..4.......416.........47......#10#                           
.2.45..89.5..8.1...9.1.2........895....91.8.2...2.5..4.......416.........47......#10#                           
.2.4...8..5..891...9...2..5.....895.....1.8.2...2.5.41.......146.........47..1...#10#                           
.2.45..8..5..891...9...2........895.....1.8.2...2.5.41.......146.........47..1...#10#                           
.2.4...89.5..8.1...9...2..5.....895....91.8.2...2.5.41.......146.........47..1...#10#                           
.2.45..89.5..8.1...9...2........895....91.8.2...2.5.41.......146.........47..1...#10#                           
.2.4...8..5..891...9.1.2..5.....895....91.8.2...2.5.41.......146.........47......#10#                           
.2.4...89.5..8.1...9.1.2..5.....895....91.8.2...2.5.41.......146.........47......#10#                           
.2.45..8..5..891...9.1.2........895....91.8.2...2.5.41.......146.........47......#10#                           
.2.45..89.5..8.1...9.1.2........895....91.8.2...2.5.41.......146.........47......#10#                           
1.3.....9...1.9....8.......2.......75..7..61.7..69.5.2.....1.75....679.....52...6#10#                           
1.3.........1.9....8.......2......975..7..61.7..69.5.2.....1.75....6792....52...6#10#                           
1.3.........1.9....8.......2......975..7.261.7..69.5.......1.75....6792....52...6#10#                           
1.3.....9...1.9....8.......2.......75..7.261.7..69.5.......1.75....6792....52...6#10#                           
...4..7......8.2.38..3.2.45.7.84........25..8.8.7.34.2..1......7.....3549........#10#                           
...45.7......8.2.38..3.2.4..7.84.5......25..8.8.7.34.2..1......7.....3549........#10#                           
...45.78.....8.2.3...3.2.4..7.84.5......25..8.8.7.34.2..1......7.....3549........#10#                           
...45.78.....8.2.3...3.2.45.7.84........25..8.8.7.34.2..1......7.....3549........#10#                           
.2..56...45.........9.......3...7.5..7.3.16.2.1..2..7.....15.67...2.3..1...67.3..# 9#                           
.2..56...45.........9.......3...715..7.3..6.2.1..2..7.....15.67...2.3..1...67.3..# 9#                           
.2..56...45.........9.......3..67.5..7.3.16.2.1..2..7.....15.67...2.3..1....7.3..# 9#                           
.2..56...45.........9.......3..6715..7.3..6.2.1..2..7.....15.67...2.3..1....7.3..# 9#                           
..3..6...4.7..9.368...7......86.....7.6.439..9..8.7..........1....7348..........5# 9#                           
..3..6...4.7.89..68..37......86.....7.6.439..9..8.7..........1....7348..........5# 9#                           
..3..6...4.7..9.368..7.......86.....7.6.439..9..8.7..........1....3748..........5# 9#                           
..3..6...4.7.89..68..7.......86.....7.6.439..9..8.7..........1....3748..........5# 9#                           
..34.6...4.7..9.368..........86.....7.6.439..9..8.7..........1....3748..........5# 9#                           
..34.6...4.7.89..68..........86.....7.6.439..9..8.7..........1....3748..........5# 9#                           
1.3.567...5..8....68...7...........4361...8.........2.5...3....7...61.53..6..8...# 9#                           
1.3.567...5..8....68...7...........4361...8.........2.5...3....7.8.61.5..36..8...# 9#                           
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby denis_berthier » Sun Sep 01, 2024 5:34 am

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Hi coloin

It seems you're keeping an up-to-date list of all the high BxB minimals published in this thread. Could you publish it?
The success of the search for such puzzles makes it difficult to be sure we're not missing any, unless we each repeat the same redundant work of collecting them.
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby Paquita » Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:19 pm

Denis, an explanation of what I did

First, I identified the minexpands for the T&E(2) rated 11.8 in solution minlex form
I collected them and also the minimals from them that had not been published yet.
That was the original seed.
I have 2 basic routines
-swap any of the 81 positions for another digit value (. counts as zero)
-swap any two digits in the 81 positions (. counts as zero)

After applying those two routines on the new minimals I had some new 11.8.
(I published the unpublished 11.8 in the "hardest" thread).
Just a few of those new 11.8 were B10B.
After I published those, Coloin identified more related B10Bs that were 11.7.

The next seed sample was those B10B's. I continued to use found B10Bs as seed.
I did the swap routines on the minimal puzzles.
And I did an expansion other than min-expands.

The method is based on Coloins explanation of pearlisation:
For any puzzle, calculate the solution.
For each digit of the solution that is not a given, create a puzzle that is the original puzzle plus this one digit
Then calculate the rate of that new puzzle with skfr.
If the rate is above 11.5 it means that adding that solution digit will keep the rate high
So, the extended puzzle is the original puzzle plus all the digits added at once that gave a high rate if added solely.
This is usually a more expanded puzzle than the min-expand or the pearlisation maxi-expand.
From this expand I calculate the minimals.


By alternating swap routines with this expansion i got a new result of high BxBs.
That result was the new seed.
It ended when the swapping and expansion only gave already found puzzles.
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby denis_berthier » Mon Sep 02, 2024 4:34 am

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Hi Paquita,
Thanks for these explanations.

Paquita wrote: the extended puzzle is the original puzzle plus all the digits added at once that gave a high rate if added solely.
This is usually a more expanded puzzle than the min-expand or the pearlisation maxi-expand.

In [HCCS2], I used BRT+1 expansion, i.e., like you, expansion by Singles followed by the addition of a clue from the solution. I noticed this leads to many new minimals (most of them simpler than the starting puzzles). Due in part to these large numbers and in part because my purpose was not to generate puzzles per se, unlike you, I didn't iterate this expansion process.
With the skfr (= SER) filter, you can limit the number of expanded puzzles and this allows you to combine two or more expansions before looking for new minimals. Great job.
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Re: The BxB classification of T&E(2) puzzles

Postby Paquita » Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:46 am

I forgot to say that I calculate minimals from the expanded puzzles through the inverse, the way that Coloin showed to do it.
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