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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby m_b_metcalf » Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:25 am

Mathimagics wrote:And for SudokuWX I now have 81,571

m_b_metcalf wrote:I recently realized that I had some solution grids with symmetry of givens that also fulfilled both the W and X constraints.

Dear MM,
Do you perhaps have an estimate of the number of ED symmetrical WX grids?

Thanks,

Mike
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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby Hajime » Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:46 am

urhegyi wrote:I figured out today how to rate a batchfile created with SiSeSuSo of windoku-x with sukakuexplainer (1to9only version), but when it gets ratings above 10.1/10.1/2.6 it shows SE 20.0 and aborts.

A filled pattern is tested with BF method:
0 solution is invalid
1 solution is valid
2 or more solutions is invalid and the BF method is cancelled and not written to file.
On the rare moment the user hits STOP between the 1st found and the 2nd found, BF is cancelled with 1 found en will write this filled pattern to file. And PGExplainer will rate it with 20 points.
SiSeSuSo is in error. This and some other minor bugs keeps me from publishing the next version.
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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby urhegyi » Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:10 am

A case that PGexplainer will rate as 20.0 and Sukakuexplainer from Sudokumonster will handle because it has more advanced solving methods and not as result of a possible error from SiSeSuSo described by Hajime above.
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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby 1to9only » Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:56 am

urhegyi wrote:A case that PGexplainer will rate as 20.0 ...

PGExplainer only rates vanilla sudokus for the Patterns Game.
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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby Mathimagics » Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:25 pm

m_b_metcalf wrote:Do you perhaps have an estimate of the number of ED symmetrical WX grids?

If you define "symmetrical", I can scan the ED grid set accordingly.

Better still, just PM me with an email address, and I'll send the ED grid set to you (6.8MB txt, 1MB zip) ...
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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby Mathimagics » Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:35 am

I found 457 WX grids with symmetry. Here are the first 10:

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123456789456798123789123456542317968317869542968542317671234895234985671895671234
123456789456879321879231456514397862267584193398162574945723618732618945681945237
123456789456879321879321456514297863367584192298163574945732618732618945681945237
123456789456978213987123645834217956791635428562849137615394872349782561278561394
123456789456987123978123465642315897317869542589742316761234958234598671895671234
123456789456987213987123645734218956891635427562749138615394872349872561278561394
123456789456987231978231645214365897367829514589714362731642958642598173895173426
123456789456987321978231645214365897367849512589712463741623958632598174895174236
123456789456987321978321645314265897267849513589713462741632958632598174895174236
123456789457189263689273451534691872798524136261837594845962317972318645316745928


I will mail the full set ...
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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby m_b_metcalf » Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:40 am

Mathimagics wrote:I found 457 WX grids with symmetry.

I will mail the full set ...

Dear MM, Thanks for your file. I made another generation run using your grids, but nothing dramatic turned up. A few are listed below (but renumbered). Interestingly, 8 of the 14 have only 8 distinct clue values (true also for 10 of the 12 in my previous posting).

Regards,

Mike

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.......1...2........3......4...5.3.....................5....6....7.68..........4.   ED=5.7/1.5/1.5   
.......1........2.....34....4..........5...6.....7....2......8..7.3....5.........   ED=8.9/8.3/2.9   
....1........2..3.4.5.6.7.......................5......3.........2..........7.8..   ED=9.0/1.5/1.5   
..12.3............4.5.1.........6....7........8...9................8.53..........   ED=9.1/9.1/2.9   
.1..234.......4.56..7....8.....................9.6..3.....................2......   ED=9.2/3.0/2.9   
......12...3.........4..............5...6...4..........67....82..5...............   ED=9.4/9.4/2.9   
.....1.2.............3..4....2...1.5.....6.......7.......8......9......4..8......   ED=9.5/9.5/2.9   
...1..............2....3..4.......4.5.3..........6..73.....8...8.......7........1   ED=9.6/9.6/2.9   
...1..2..........3.........4........5.6............1........4....7.8..........76.   ED=9.7/2.9/2.9   
1....2.....34..............................5.6.47......8.5..3.....3...........9.7   ED=9.8/2.9/2.9   
.12.34.....5.............6.........74....8................9...........16......9..   ED=9.9/9.3/2.9   
.....1...............2.....3.4.......5..1......6.....................762..8...5..   ED=10.0/4.0/2.9
...1....213....4.....4.......5....3...6...............7.....5.8................2.   ED=10.1/1.5/1.5
...........1......23........2.4.....45...6.....7......7....8.........1.......49..   ED=10.6/1.5/1.5 
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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby m_b_metcalf » Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:20 am

One last run with MM's file, with one new rating:
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.1...23............4..5.....3............6.........7....7............8...23.6.5..    ED=9.4/7.7/2.9   
..12......3.4..5...........5.6.....2.7....8.......6.1........................9...    ED=9.6/3.4/2.9   
..........1....2...3.........4.....5....6...4.........7...41...........82....8...    ED=9.7/9.5/2.9   
.1...2......3...1..........4..5............6...............5......7.3..42...8....    ED=9.8/9.5/2.9   
.....1.......2...3.......2..4.2..5.6....1....5................78...9..........3..    ED=9.9/9.9/2.9   
.....1.....2...1.3....4......5.6.....2........7.....8.9................4....1....   ED=10.0/9.8/2.9
1.2..3...4................1......5.............6..4....5.......7...8.....9....1..   ED=10.1/7.6/2.9
123........4...5.................64.......7..........82...........8......9....4..   ED=10.2/4.3/2.9
....1..2......3.....456......................7.........5.89.......1...6...1......   ED=10.6/7.6/2.9
......1...2...3..........4..5.......1......5........6..7.......8.5...........94..   ED=10.9/4.0/2.9


and some for human solvers:

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1.....2..3...........1........4.....5...3....6...........5....7......5.....8..46.   ED=1.7/1.7/1.7   
......1234...5....26.......7.............7.6............78.....1.5...............   ED=2.0/2.0/2.0   
......1...2.....3...4.........3.....1.2.........5.......6..7...........8.4.....7.   ED=2.9/2.9/2.9   
...1.........2..3.....4..5.1...3....2.6.........7....8.4.95......8.7.............   ED=3.0/2.9/2.9   
...1.........2.....2......3..1..4.......5.........3.....67....52..8....6.7.......   ED=3.4/2.9/2.9   
1...2...3............1........4..536.......7.84.............9............2.......   ED=4.0/2.0/2.0   
...1....2.3....4......5...6....4........7.6...8.......9...3....7.........2....9..   ED=4.0/2.9/2.9   
..1.2......3.45............5......4.........6...7.........6.1.3..............8.2.   ED=4.2/2.9/2.9   
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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby Ruud from Sudocue » Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:50 pm

I would appreciate it if someone could rate these 5 Windoku puzzles (no X, but on-topic with 11 clues):

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....................1....2....34...5.6........................3.5...7.........8.9
.......1..........2....3...4..5............6........78........9..1.........7.....
................12..34............5..........1.6...........2...7.....3........8..
........1....2......34........5............6..7...8........3...5..............2..
.............1..2...3...4......5..........6..........7.....3...86..........9.....

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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby urhegyi » Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:03 pm

Hierbij de ratings,
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....................1....2....34...5.6........................3.5...7.........8.9 ED=9.5/1.2/1.2
.......1..........2....3...4..5............6........78........9..1.........7..... ED=9.6/1.2/1.2
................12..34............5..........1.6...........2...7.....3........8.. ED=9.3/1.2/1.2
........1....2......34........5............6..7...8........3...5..............2.. ED=9.1/1.2/1.2
.............1..2...3...4......5..........6..........7.....3...86..........9..... ED=9.2/1.5/1.5


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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby urhegyi » Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:25 pm

Vond een tijdje geleden dit op het sudocue windoku forum:
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Windoku 22.09.06 (September 22, 2006)

Post by Nasenbaer » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:36 pm

I recently found my way to the Windokus. They give me a real headache. About 80% are on the "started, but not yet finished" list. Just haven't found all the special Windoku knacks yet. :(

But maybe its because I do them on paper. But today I had some time on my hand and I started experimenting with the SudoCue program. And I picked the September 22, 2006 Windoku.

I filled in my (few) findings and compared the markups to my paper version. Well, I found 4 cells where I missed to eliminate some digits (all in column 9), but also had a naked triple in row 1 and the "5th window" (or what's your name for the special corners) that wasn't (yet) found by SudoCue.

Long story short, that's how far I got:

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| 28     1B     359Y  | 359Y   26     35    | 4      7      268   |
| 6      5789   2579  | 1      4      257   | 3      589    259   |
| 2579   4      23579 | 235679 8      257   | 2569   569    1     |
:---------------------+---------------------+---------------------:
| 2579   579    2579  | 2678   3      1     | 56789  4      579   |
| 47     6B     8B    | 47B    5      9     | 1      2      3     |
| 1      3      24579 | 2478   26     2478  | 5789   589    568   |
:---------------------+---------------------+---------------------:
| 358    578    6     | 2458   9      23458 | 2578   1      258   |
| 358    589    1     | 258    7      6     | 2589   3589   4     |
| 479    2B     457R  | 35Y    1      358   | 568    3568   79    |
'---------------------'---------------------'---------------------'

Had graag deze windoku vanaf het begin proberen op te lossen. Deze is spijtig genoeg al deels opgelost.
Indien je het origineel nog moest hebben, zou je het dan willen delen ofwel hier ofwel per private message?

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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby Ruud from Sudocue » Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:53 am

Thanks for the ratings. It reveals the progress made by others since I last updated my Sudocue program.

This is the original September 22, 2006 puzzle:

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.......7.6..14.3...4..8...........4..68.5.12..3...........9..1...1.76..4.2.......
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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby Hajime » Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:28 am

I did a -3/+3 vicinity search on above puzzle (that has a SE rating of 6.6 , Turbot fish)
This one needs only Singles, SER=1.2:
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.......9.6..14.2...4..8...........4..68.5.12..3...........9..1...9.76..4.2.......
This one needs lots of chains, SER=9.0:
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.......7.2..94.3...4..8...........4..68.5.12..3...........9..1...1.73..4.2.......
All found 966 puzzles have a ED=x.y/1.2/1.2 rating and all are not minimal.
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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby m_b_metcalf » Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:48 pm

Hajime wrote:All found 966 puzzles have a ED=x.y/1.2/1.2 rating and all are not minimal.

But, by removing a selection of 4 of the numerous redundant clues from the original puzzle, one arrives at, as one possibility:
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.......7....1..3...4..............4..68.5..2..3...........9..1...1.76..4.2.......  ED=9.2/1.2/1.2
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Re: SudokuW/SudokuWX (Windoku)

Postby Ruud from Sudocue » Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:08 pm

I could not find a (current) list of Windoku / SudokuW puzzles in this thread, so I have been running a collector for some time and keep an update of the results on my website here.
The current list contains 18778 puzzles with 11 clues.
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