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[m_b_metcalf]

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your memory is better than mine
I have 2 solver variants that can do X
can you post a few dozen or so to test
thanks

There are three sets below. Ano1 is interested in the 2 puzzles I've marked.

Many thanks,

Mike Metcalf

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000280000007400000046000000960000000700000005000000049000000780000001900000057000   ano1's 18-clue pattern
000230000004100000078000000920000000400000006000000035000000960000002500000079000   <-- please analyse for ano1



020000007400002000000090500000008040001040800030600000002030000000400003100000020   Current Patterns Game
010000002300005000000040600000001080001070900040300000005030000000200004900000070
050000007100007000000060300000001090001050200040200000004020000000300005800000070   <-- please analyse for ano1
030000001900008000000030400000003020009050600050900000008090000000300007600000080
020000005700006000000090800000007030003040100090200000006080000000900008100000060
090000006400007000000080400000009070009010500060200000003090000000400001500000060
010000009800005000000060100000007010003040800060800000002080000000900006300000040
010000006200006000000020900000003050003040600080100000002030000000600009500000020



000000000000080000200000000000000000000007630305000100040571000007000002000203900    random sample
000010200020000010600004008009000400008000050060800307083000000000400000000060000
000000500000080000000042000000000000002038000040007003721000009000090000030200104
006700000000053070700019080050040000800000000004038000009000005000000062000000000
000000500500300004000090030030060000000709000020000005000200700460000010000080000
000600000001000890000000400000900000030000560402000030000580003200090070000000000
100900000090050000060000000400020000000160800007000690000000300008640000000003000
000000080000060000000000000020090048601005003040070000002013000496000000000020000
000000000020500000097800060070000005400000028800000006050000090380050000009000000
000500000020008000940200000008037904005000000000000170000000000000000000000740005
000030000002010709057200000005400000070000000600000000508000010000000000300820000
000007004000020000003000600000000400020050000000098030008000200600204000090000300
030000096510300000000000000800092100009080002000040000000001000000400030001030000
000000000600010800000500094900000630000000008150000000500000000000007080301000000
000000031000003000000002800050700092800050400600000050000000007090000000080500000
600000002000000001100300600300000000000079000000000400400708100000006908060090050
000007900700090600000500000040008020691300000003000000000001000200000000000803000
006009020000000160030000000008350006740008000000000070900002000000100040000000000
008000200000005600070000000000000360000304000000090000000050007601009000007408000
800002000000000002010005000000008000024000070700004000000053000406000000005000680
002000000000000100000530000390015000000070800080000300000000940030050002000007000
000700000300095001000000060000200534002000000009008000000000000000157090004002100
000009000000100070400006000008004000300000702070000900050601000200000100000040000
010097040000000207004080000000000100000000000702000890000000002000600000100500030
006000050000000600070650000003000200040001000000508000009000080400080300000140000
000003000000001000050000000000000060023060059067200010070080000900000005040000090
012004000000000900000970000690208700007000000005790006000005000040000500008000000
000009002063010040000204000000000080000008400080090005010000023000000070006000000
004000020000390040000400050600000000300000000020000960001506003000000002000270000
000001070980000000060000000700004000000002703008000040000000005010900000050000190
000300000000080200039000070000102450051000000040000760000060000000000000090030020
200000000540000001000960000000000000000300000080000000400000000010020070035006800


[ano1]

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Here's that one remaining trump ...

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. 1 . . . . . . 2
2 . . . . 3 . . .
. . . . 4 . 5 . .
. . . . . 1 . 6 .
. . 5 . 2 . 4 . .
. 7 . 8 . . . . .
. . 3 . 5 . . . .
. . . 6 . . . . 1
4 . . . . . . 7 .  ED=7.7/7.7/3.4


Someone who was in the game, can more it in if they like.
It can't change the scoring by much, at this point, can it ?

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010000002200003000000040500000001060005020400070800000003050000000600001400000070

[ano1]

I don't know if this is interesting to anyone, or not ... but here's the table of all ratings, with puzzle counts in paranthesis.

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        214 ER/EP/ED's  ('*' entries occur only for SE anomalies, '**' if also highest EP/ED)
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1.2/1.2/1.2 (155)    6.9/1.2/1.2 (6)      7.6/7.2/3.8 (3)      8.3/8.3/3.8 (158)    8.8/8.8/3.8 (2)
1.5/1.2/1.2 (2770)   7.0/1.2/1.2 (7)      7.6/7.3/3.4 (1)      8.4/1.2/1.2 (424)    8.9/1.2/1.2 (215)
1.7/1.2/1.2 (161)    7.1/1.2/1.2 (1863)   7.7/1.2/1.2 (39)     8.4/2.8/2.8 (1)      8.9/3.8/3.4 (10)
2.0/1.2/1.2 (707)    7.1/3.4/3.4 (28)     7.7/3.4/3.4 (1)      8.4/3.8/3.4 (24)     8.9/3.8/3.8 (1)
2.3/1.2/1.2 (23)     7.1/3.8/3.4 (48)     7.7/7.2/3.4 (3)      8.4/3.8/3.8 (6)      8.9/7.1/3.4 (1)
2.5/1.2/1.2 (1)      7.1/3.8/3.8 (2)      7.7/7.2/3.8 (1)*     8.4/7.1/3.4 (7)      8.9/7.1/3.8 (1)
2.6/1.2/1.2 (336)    7.1/6.6/3.4 (2)      7.7/7.3/3.4 (1)      8.4/7.1/3.8 (2)      8.9/7.2/3.4 (6)
2.8/1.2/1.2 (35)     7.1/7.1/3.4 (132)    7.7/7.7/3.4 (1)**    8.4/7.2/3.4 (31)     8.9/7.2/3.8 (1)
3.0/1.2/1.2 (55)     7.1/7.1/3.8 (29)     7.8/1.2/1.2 (72)     8.4/7.2/3.8 (21)     8.9/7.3/3.4 (1)*
3.2/1.2/1.2 (48)     7.2/1.2/1.2 (4579)   7.8/3.8/3.4 (1)      8.4/7.3/3.4 (12)     8.9/8.3/3.4 (3)
3.4/1.2/1.2 (377)    7.2/2.8/2.8 (1)      7.8/7.1/3.4 (1)      8.4/7.3/3.8 (5)      8.9/8.3/3.8 (1)
3.4/2.0/2.0 (1)      7.2/3.4/3.4 (22)     7.8/7.1/3.8 (1)      8.4/8.3/3.4 (16)     8.9/8.4/3.4 (2)
3.4/3.4/3.4 (305)    7.2/3.8/3.4 (174)    7.8/7.2/3.4 (1)      8.4/8.3/3.8 (4)      8.9/8.4/3.8 (1)
3.6/1.2/1.2 (21)     7.2/3.8/3.8 (21)     7.8/7.2/3.8 (1)*     8.4/8.4/3.4 (132)    8.9/8.5/3.4 (2)
3.8/1.2/1.2 (137)    7.2/7.1/3.4 (71)     7.8/7.3/3.4 (1)      8.4/8.4/3.8 (65)     8.9/8.6/3.4 (2)
3.8/3.8/3.4 (4)      7.2/7.1/3.8 (4)      7.8/7.8/3.4 (7)      8.5/1.2/1.2 (187)    8.9/8.9/3.4 (36)
3.8/3.8/3.8 (1)      7.2/7.2/3.4 (1106)   7.8/7.8/3.8 (1)      8.5/3.8/3.4 (9)      8.9/8.9/3.8 (12)
4.0/1.2/1.2 (9)      7.2/7.2/3.8 (864)    7.9/1.2/1.2 (8)      8.5/3.8/3.8 (2)      9.0/1.2/1.2 (94)
4.2/1.2/1.2 (305)    7.3/1.2/1.2 (755)    8.0/1.2/1.2 (1)      8.5/7.1/3.4 (4)      9.0/3.8/3.4 (6)
4.2/3.4/3.4 (18)     7.3/2.0/2.0 (1)      8.2/1.2/1.2 (71)     8.5/7.2/3.4 (19)     9.0/3.8/3.8 (1)
4.4/1.2/1.2 (29)     7.3/2.8/2.8 (1)      8.2/3.8/3.4 (1)*     8.5/7.2/3.8 (10)     9.0/7.1/3.4 (5)
4.5/1.2/1.2 (133)    7.3/3.4/3.4 (3)      8.2/3.8/3.8 (2)      8.5/7.3/3.4 (2)      9.0/7.2/3.4 (9)
4.5/3.4/3.4 (6)      7.3/3.8/3.4 (32)     8.2/7.1/3.4 (3)      8.5/7.8/3.8 (1)      9.0/7.2/3.8 (1)
4.5/3.8/3.4 (1)      7.3/3.8/3.8 (14)     8.2/7.2/3.4 (9)      8.5/8.3/3.4 (5)      9.0/7.3/3.4 (1)
4.6/1.2/1.2 (55)     7.3/7.1/3.4 (7)      8.2/7.2/3.8 (6)      8.5/8.3/3.8 (3)      9.0/8.3/3.4 (1)
4.6/3.4/3.4 (2)      7.3/7.1/3.8 (6)      8.2/7.3/3.8 (1)*     8.5/8.4/3.4 (6)      9.0/8.3/3.8 (1)
4.7/1.2/1.2 (2)      7.3/7.2/3.4 (109)    8.2/7.4/3.4 (1)      8.5/8.4/3.8 (3)      9.0/8.4/3.8 (1)
5.0/1.2/1.2 (1)      7.3/7.2/3.8 (134)    8.2/8.2/3.4 (6)      8.5/8.5/3.4 (63)     9.0/8.5/3.4 (3)
5.2/3.4/3.4 (1)      7.3/7.3/3.4 (104)    8.2/8.2/3.8 (4)      8.5/8.5/3.8 (24)     9.0/8.6/3.4 (4)
5.6/1.2/1.2 (95)     7.3/7.3/3.8 (54)     8.3/1.2/1.2 (782)    8.6/1.2/1.2 (13)     9.0/9.0/3.4 (68)
5.6/3.4/3.4 (7)      7.4/1.2/1.2 (24)     8.3/3.4/3.4 (4)      8.6/8.3/3.4 (1)*     9.0/9.0/3.8 (11)
5.7/1.2/1.2 (6)      7.4/3.8/3.4 (1)      8.3/3.8/3.4 (38)     8.6/8.4/3.4 (1)      9.1/1.2/1.2 (64)
5.7/3.4/3.4 (1)      7.4/7.2/3.4 (2)      8.3/3.8/3.8 (15)     8.6/8.6/3.4 (9)      9.1/3.8/3.4 (4)
6.2/1.2/1.2 (1)      7.4/7.3/3.4 (1)      8.3/7.0/3.4 (1)      8.6/8.6/3.8 (1)*     9.1/7.1/3.4 (2)
6.5/1.2/1.2 (14)     7.4/7.4/3.4 (4)      8.3/7.1/3.4 (13)     8.7/1.2/1.2 (3)      9.1/7.2/3.4 (1)
6.6/1.2/1.2 (1122)   7.5/1.2/1.2 (10)     8.3/7.1/3.8 (6)      8.7/8.7/3.4 (2)      9.1/8.5/3.4 (1)*
6.6/2.0/2.0 (2)      7.5/3.8/3.4 (1)      8.3/7.2/3.4 (73)     8.8/1.2/1.2 (30)     9.1/8.6/3.4 (1)*
6.6/3.4/3.4 (42)     7.5/7.2/3.4 (3)      8.3/7.2/3.8 (117)    8.8/3.8/3.4 (2)      9.1/9.1/3.4 (30)
6.6/6.6/3.4 (1)      7.5/7.2/3.8 (4)      8.3/7.3/3.4 (11)     8.8/7.2/3.4 (1)*     9.2/1.2/1.2 (4)
6.7/1.2/1.2 (155)    7.5/7.3/3.8 (1)      8.3/7.3/3.8 (5)      8.8/8.3/3.8 (1)*     9.2/9.2/3.4 (2)
6.7/3.4/3.4 (3)      7.5/7.5/3.4 (1)      8.3/7.4/3.4 (1)      8.8/8.4/3.8 (2)      9.3/1.2/1.2 (1)
6.8/1.2/1.2 (29)     7.6/1.2/1.2 (58)     8.3/7.8/3.8 (5)      8.8/8.5/3.4 (1)*     9.3/9.3/3.4 (1)**
6.8/3.4/3.4 (3)      7.6/3.8/3.4 (3)      8.3/8.3/3.4 (145)    8.8/8.8/3.4 (7)
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[JPF]

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thanks.
These 2 puzzles are isomorphic :

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010000002200003000000040500000001060005020400070800000003050000000600001400000070   7.7/7.7/3.4
010000002300004000000050600000001070006020500040800000007060000000300001500000020   7.8/7.8/3.4


They were not in my list.
Anyway, the more entries are not taken into account in the final score

JPF

[ano1]

Anyway, the more entries are not taken into account in the final score

That's kind of what I thought, after looking again at page 1. For the previous game, though, there were "more" submissions, and there is a slight difference between the scores in the "game closed" status update, and in the "final state" listed in the "Patterns Game Results" thread.
Ahh, I see ... it's just one score ... for gsf, who had the "last entry" when the game closed, and a "more" submission following that (... but not the only "more").

[m_b_metcalf]

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your memory is better than mine

This is what I remembered: http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/viewtopic.php?p=55842&highlight=xsudoku#55842.

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

[JPF]

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Mike,

Why don’t you open a thread on Sudoku X or a Sudoku X patterns game ?

JPF

[Pat]

Here's that one remaining trump ...

.1......22....3.......4.5.......1.6...5.2.4...7.8.......3.5.......6....14......7. 7.7/7.7/3.4

Someone who was in the game, can more it in if they like.

i'd think you yourself can post "more" -- at least i hope this would be allowed

[gsf]

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Mike,

Why don’t you open a thread on Sudoku X or a Sudoku X patterns game ?

JPF

good idea on a sudoku X interactive games thread to collect them in one place
but a patterns game would be premature since we don't have ratings in place
and there may be some undiscovered X-specific techniques that could skew ratings mapped from sudoku to sudoku-X

start a thread and I'll post the sudocoux results for the 44 puzzles there

[gsf]

Here's that one remaining trump ...

.1......22....3.......4.5.......1.6...5.2.4...7.8.......3.5.......6....14......7. 7.7/7.7/3.4

Someone who was in the game, can more it in if they like.

i'd think you yourself can post "more" -- at least i hope this would be allowed

good point
the rules say a player may post more entries
and the referee code interprets that to mean a person who made a submission during the game
that should probably be relaxed so the final results can be more complete

so, ano1, make the more submission and then I can recode+debug the referee

[Pat]

so we get a chance to crash g.r.emlin before the next game starts?
gsf, you can probably obtain this test yourself,
as g.r.emlin has the ability to post "more" on behalf of anyone

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0104 start LIGHTNING at 2010-03-10+01:00:00-0000 :::

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dealer status

candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin)

   1 Mauricio          3 tarek            13 JPF              87 g.r.emlin

past patterns

   1 claudiarabia      1 pseudocoup        3 g.r.emlin        12 Pat              19 TTHsieh
   1 draco             1 ravel             9 gsf              15 coloin           20 JPF
   1 Eioru             1 wintder          11 m_b_metcalf      18 Mauricio         21 tarek


[ano1]

good point
the rules say a player may post more entries
and the referee code interprets that to mean a person who made a submission during the game
that should probably be relaxed so the final results can be more complete

so, ano1, make the more submission and then I can recode+debug the referee

I apologize ... I missed that post. I had seen the one just before it.
I looked at the "last post" time for the thread, several times afterwards,
and failed to realize that there was something new there.
(I caught it only just now, after g.r.emlin posted).

The rules also suggest that only the player with the last entry, or a player with a self trump,
can make a more submission. Mike was aware of that, and PM'ed me that I should make a
submission to get into the game (before it closed).
I only had that one trump, at that point, though ... and nothing for a more after that.

[Pat]

The rules also suggest that only the player with the last entry, or a player with a self trump,
can make a more submission.

the rules may still be phrased that way,
but are in fact more lenient
any player can post "more"
( even if it wasn't a self-trump
and the player was not the last )

[Pat]

ano1,
feel free to start a SE rating anomaly thread under Interactive Games

anomalies of Sudoku Explainer have been noticed mostly during the Patterns Game

however i'd like to suggest that the discussion of such anomalies
belongs in Software

a link to that discussion
should be added in the head post of the present Topic