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Postby champagne » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:27 pm

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.9.....8.
7.6...5.4
.3.2.1.9.
..3.7.1..
...3.2...
..7.5.4..
.4.6.8.7.
8.2...9.5
.7.....4.  ED=7.8/3.0/2.6
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Postby JPF » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:32 pm

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 . 1 . | . . . | . 2 .
 2 . 3 | . . . | 4 . 5
 . 6 . | 2 . 5 | . 1 .
-------+-------+-------
 . . 1 | . 7 . | 3 . .
 . . . | 5 . 8 | . . .
 . . 4 | . 1 . | 2 . .
-------+-------+-------
 . 3 . | 6 . 7 | . 9 .
 9 . 7 | . . . | 5 . 6
 . 4 . | . . . | . 3 .       ED=7.8/7.3/2.8


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Postby g.r.emlin » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:39 pm

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2009-10-28+13:13:00-0000 8.3/3.0/2.6 champagne rare ED not seen before
2009-10-28+13:21:00-0000 8.3/3.0/2.8 JPF rare ED not seen before
2009-10-28+13:27:00-0000 7.8/3.0/2.6 champagne rare ED not seen before
2009-10-28+13:32:00-0000 7.8/7.3/2.8 JPF rare ED not seen before
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Postby champagne » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:43 pm

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.9.....8.
7.6...5.4
.3.2.4.1.
..7.1.4..
...6.8...
..9.3.8..
.5.3.6.4.
1.3...9.2
.7.....5.  ED=8.9/8.4/2.6
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Postby JPF » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:47 pm

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 . 1 . | . . . | . 2 .
 2 . 3 | . . . | 4 . 5
 . 6 . | 2 . 7 | . 3 .
-------+-------+-------
 . . 1 | . 8 . | 5 . .
 . . . | 1 . 3 | . . .
 . . 4 | . 9 . | 2 . .
-------+-------+-------
 . 3 . | 8 . 9 | . 4 .
 7 . 8 | . . . | 3 . 9
 . 4 . | . . . | . 5 .       ED=8.9/8.9/6.6


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Postby champagne » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:56 pm

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.9.....8.
7.6...5.4
.3.2.4.1.
..7.2.1..
...3.1...
..9.5.8..
.4.6.8.7.
9.1...3.8
.7.....5.  ED=8.4/8.3/2.6 
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Postby gsf » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:59 pm

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. 2 . . . . . 7 .
3 . 4 . . . 5 . 1
. 5 . 1 . 3 . 2 .
. . 6 . 8 . 2 . .
. . . 6 . 4 . . .
. . 3 . 9 . 1 . .
. 3 . 5 . 9 . 8 .
8 . 2 . . . 7 . 5
. 6 . . . . . 1 .  ED=8.8/8.8/7.6
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Postby JPF » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:02 pm

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 . 1 . | . . . | . 2 .
 2 . 3 | . . . | 4 . 5
 . 6 . | 2 . 7 | . 8 .
-------+-------+-------
 . . 1 | . 9 . | 5 . .
 . . . | 3 . 1 | . . .
 . . 4 | . 6 . | 2 . .
-------+-------+-------
 . 5 . | 8 . 9 | . 4 .
 7 . 8 | . . . | 1 . 9
 . 4 . | . . . | . 5 .       ED=8.4/8.4/4.2


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game 93 -- 8.3

Postby Pat » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:03 pm

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 . 2 . . . . . 9 .
 6 . 1 . . . 7 . 8
 . 3 . 7 . 6 . 5 .
 . . 2 . 6 . 3 . .
 . . . 2 . 7 . . .
 . . 4 . 3 . 9 . .
 . 9 . 4 . 1 . 6 .
 1 . 5 . . . 2 . 9
 . 8 . . . . . 1 .

                         ED=8.3/7.3/2.6

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Postby champagne » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:07 pm

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.9.....8.
7.6...5.4
.3.2.4.1.
..7.8.9..
...3.9...
..9.7.4..
.8.6.5.7.
2.3...1.5
.7.....4.  ED=7.4/3.4/2.6
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Postby g.r.emlin » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:08 pm

::: game 0093 status 2009-10-28+14:08:57-0000 :::
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game 0093 2009-10-25+21:09:00-0000 duration 2d16h dealer Pat pages 334-337 (open) 4 players
________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    1.2/1.2/1.2 gsf            2.6/2.6/2.6 gsf            8.4/8.4/4.2 JPF            9.0/9.0/7.6 gsf
    1.5/1.5/1.5 JPF            7.4/3.4/2.6 champagne      8.5/3.0/3.0 champagne      9.1/9.1/2.8 gsf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 gsf            7.8/7.3/2.8 JPF            8.8/8.8/7.6 gsf            9.2/9.2/2.6 JPF
    2.3/2.3/2.3 Pat            8.3/7.3/2.6 Pat            8.9/8.9/6.6 JPF            9.3/9.2/2.6 gsf
________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    open ratings : 1.7 2.5 2.8 3.0 3.2 3.4 3.6 3.8 4.0 4.2 4.4-5.2 5.4 5.6-6.2 6.5-7.3 7.5-7.7 7.9-8.2 8.6 8.7 9.4-11.4

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
       ---------  -------  -----  --------  -----
             Pat        2    137     4h17m  rare-0,dealer
       champagne        2    577     1h36m  rare-0*10,last-entry=92
             JPF        5    579    54m25s  rare-0*6,rare-1,pearl*3
             gsf        7    735    59m24s  rare-0*3,rare-1,diamond,pearl*3,highest-rating=84
       ---------  -------  -----            -----
               4       16   2028            rare-0*20,rare-1*2,diamond,pearl*6
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Postby JPF » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:13 pm

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 . 1 . | . . . | . 2 .
 2 . 3 | . . . | 4 . 5
 . 6 . | 2 . 7 | . 8 .
-------+-------+-------
 . . 4 | . 6 . | 5 . .
 . . . | 7 . 3 | . . .
 . . 8 | . 9 . | 2 . .
-------+-------+-------
 . 5 . | 6 . 1 | . 9 .
 9 . 1 | . . . | 7 . 6
 . 4 . | . . . | . 5 .       ED=8.3/8.3/7.1


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Postby champagne » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:18 pm

Code: Select all
.9.....8.
7.6...5.4
.3.2.4.1.
..7.5.4..
...9.6...
..9.7.1..
.5.6.3.7.
2.1...8.3
.7.....4.  ED=7.3/4.5/2.6 
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Postby g.r.emlin » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:25 pm

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2009-10-28+13:43:00-0000 8.9/8.4/2.6 champagne rare ED not seen before
2009-10-28+13:56:00-0000 8.4/8.3/2.6 champagne rare ED not seen before
2009-10-28+13:59:00-0000 8.8/8.8/7.6 gsf rare ED not seen before
2009-10-28+14:02:00-0000 8.4/8.4/4.2 JPF rare ED seen once before
2009-10-28+14:03:00-0000 8.3/7.3/2.6 Pat rare ED not seen before
2009-10-28+14:07:00-0000 7.4/3.4/2.6 champagne rare ED not seen before
2009-10-28+14:18:00-0000 7.3/4.5/2.6 champagne rare ED not seen before
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Postby Pat » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:47 pm

      pattern which i first posted 2008.Feb.20
        in response there,
        m_b_metcalf found a minimal 1.5
        and JPF found a minimal 8.9

        elsewhere,
        JPF (2008.Aug.25) posted 23 more minimal puzzles

      on page 335, JPF wrote:
      ronk wrote:
      JPF wrote:9.2/9.2/2.6

      With 4 clues in each of 4 rows, 4 columns and 5 boxes ... I'm surprised at an ER that high

      I'm not surprised by that ER, which is probably not far from Max(ER)-2 or -3

      My feeling is that, in any case, 28 clues are too much for high ERs.
      • 27 clues could be entirely-diagonal
        and would be expected to produce some very high ratings
      • 28 clues could be almost-entirely-diagonal
        which again would be expected to produce some very high ratings
      • the present pattern of 28
        is indeed very low in diagonality
        and is not expected to produce very high ratings
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