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by **g.r.emlin** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:38 am

::: game 0089 status 2009-09-13+09:38:58-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0089 2009-09-06+03:00:00-0000 duration 1w00d dealer tarek pages 289-296 (open) 4 players ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 JPF 4.4/4.4/4.4 m_b_metcalf 6.6/6.6/6.6 m_b_metcalf 8.1/2.3/2.3 JPF 1.5/1.5/1.5 JPF 4.5/4.5/3.4 JPF 6.7/6.7/6.6 m_b_metcalf 8.2/8.2/8.2 gsf 1.7/1.5/1.5 JPF 4.6/4.6/2.6 JPF 6.8/6.8/6.6 m_b_metcalf 8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf 2.0/2.0/2.0 JPF 4.7/4.7/3.4 JPF 6.9/6.9/2.6 gsf 8.4/8.4/8.4 gsf 2.3/2.3/2.3 JPF 4.8/2.6/2.6 JPF 7.0/7.0/2.6 gsf 8.5/8.5/8.3 gsf 2.5/2.5/2.5 m_b_metcalf 5.0/5.0/3.4 gsf 7.1/7.1/7.1 gsf 8.6/8.6/8.4 m_b_metcalf 2.6/2.6/2.6 gsf 5.2/2.0/2.0 gsf 7.2/7.2/7.2 gsf 8.7/8.7/7.8 gsf 2.8/2.8/2.8 gsf 5.4/5.4/3.0 gsf 7.3/7.3/7.3 gsf 8.8/8.8/8.8 m_b_metcalf 3.0/3.0/3.0 tarek 5.6/4.7/3.4 JPF 7.4/7.4/7.3 gsf 8.9/8.9/8.9 m_b_metcalf 3.2/3.2/3.0 gsf 5.7/4.5/3.4 JPF 7.5/7.5/6.6 m_b_metcalf 9.0/9.0/9.0 m_b_metcalf 3.4/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf 5.8/3.4/3.4 JPF 7.6/7.6/6.6 m_b_metcalf 9.1/9.1/9.0 m_b_metcalf 3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf 5.9/2.3/2.3 gsf 7.7/7.7/6.6 JPF 9.2/9.2/9.0 m_b_metcalf 3.8/3.8/3.8 gsf 6.0/2.0/2.0 gsf 7.8/7.8/7.8 gsf 9.3/9.3/8.8 m_b_metcalf 4.0/4.0/4.0 JPF 6.2/6.2/6.2 m_b_metcalf 7.9/7.9/6.6 gsf 9.4/9.4/8.9 gsf 4.2/4.2/4.2 gsf 6.5/4.5/3.4 gsf 8.0/8.0/6.6 m_b_metcalf 9.5/9.5/8.9 JPF ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 4.9 5.1 6.1 9.6-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- tarek 1 23 3h12m diamond,dealer m_b_metcalf 17 1767 1h42m diamond*8,pearl*9 JPF 16 2428 2h43m diamond,pearl*5,highest-rating=1266 gsf 26 3839 1h32m diamond*12,pearl*10,last-entry=1358,edited,resigned-entry ----------- ------- ----- ----- 4 60 8057 diamond*22,pearl*24

by **m_b_metcalf** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:03 am

gsf wrote:::: comment :::
m_b_metcalf wrote:
The previous post is a new rating.

part of the discussion before possibly retooling the next game should be entries like this
and maybe allowing a bonus for new/rare ratings even if they get trumped

This is a good idea. However, I think the rule should be, say, 200 for a new rating, reduced to 50 if it gets trumped, otherwise one could submit loads of ratings that are basically spurious in terms of the Game's objectives.

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **JPF** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:16 am

Code: Select all: 1 . 2 | . . . | 3 . . . 4 . | . . . | . 5 . 5 . . | . . 6 | 7 . 2 -------+-------+------- . . . | 7 . 5 | 4 . . . . . | . . . | . . . . . 6 | 3 . 8 | . . . -------+-------+------- 3 . 7 | 4 . . | . . 1 . 8 . | . . . | . 6 . . . 1 | . . . | 9 . 3 ED=6.9/6.9/3.4

JPF

by **gsf** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:00 pm

Code: Select all: 3 . 8 . . . 4 . . . 9 . . . . . 7 . 5 . . . . 4 9 . 6 . . . 7 . 6 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . 3 . . . 6 . 9 4 . . . . 8 . 2 . . . . . 1 . . . 3 . . . 6 . 4 ED=6.1/1.2/1.2

by **g.r.emlin** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:03 am

::: game 0089 idle 2009-09-15+11:03:25-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2009-09-15+14:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0089 2009-09-06+03:00:00-0000 duration 1w01d dealer tarek pages 289-297 (open) 4 players ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 JPF 4.5/4.5/3.4 JPF 6.7/6.7/6.6 m_b_metcalf 8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf 1.5/1.5/1.5 JPF 4.6/4.6/2.6 JPF 6.8/6.8/6.6 m_b_metcalf 8.4/8.4/8.4 gsf 1.7/1.5/1.5 JPF 4.7/4.7/3.4 JPF 6.9/6.9/3.4 JPF 8.5/8.5/8.3 gsf 2.0/2.0/2.0 JPF 4.8/2.6/2.6 JPF 7.0/7.0/2.6 gsf 8.6/8.6/8.4 m_b_metcalf 2.3/2.3/2.3 JPF 5.0/5.0/3.4 gsf 7.1/7.1/7.1 gsf 8.7/8.7/7.8 gsf 2.5/2.5/2.5 m_b_metcalf 5.2/2.0/2.0 gsf 7.2/7.2/7.2 gsf 8.8/8.8/8.8 m_b_metcalf 2.6/2.6/2.6 gsf 5.4/5.4/3.0 gsf 7.3/7.3/7.3 gsf 8.9/8.9/8.9 m_b_metcalf 2.8/2.8/2.8 gsf 5.6/4.7/3.4 JPF 7.4/7.4/7.3 gsf 9.0/9.0/9.0 m_b_metcalf 3.0/3.0/3.0 tarek 5.7/4.5/3.4 JPF 7.5/7.5/6.6 m_b_metcalf 9.1/9.1/9.0 m_b_metcalf 3.2/3.2/3.0 gsf 5.8/3.4/3.4 JPF 7.6/7.6/6.6 m_b_metcalf 9.2/9.2/9.0 m_b_metcalf 3.4/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf 5.9/2.3/2.3 gsf 7.7/7.7/6.6 JPF 9.3/9.3/8.8 m_b_metcalf 3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf 6.0/2.0/2.0 gsf 7.8/7.8/7.8 gsf 9.4/9.4/8.9 gsf 3.8/3.8/3.8 gsf 6.1/1.2/1.2 gsf 7.9/7.9/6.6 gsf 9.5/9.5/8.9 JPF 4.0/4.0/4.0 JPF 6.2/6.2/6.2 m_b_metcalf 8.0/8.0/6.6 m_b_metcalf 4.2/4.2/4.2 gsf 6.5/4.5/3.4 gsf 8.1/2.3/2.3 JPF 4.4/4.4/4.4 m_b_metcalf 6.6/6.6/6.6 m_b_metcalf 8.2/8.2/8.2 gsf ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 4.9 5.1 9.6-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- tarek 1 23 3h12m diamond,dealer m_b_metcalf 17 1767 1h42m diamond*8,pearl*9 JPF 17 2552 3h26m diamond,pearl*6,highest-rating=1266 gsf 26 3860 1h39m diamond*12,pearl*9,last-entry=1387,edited,resigned-entry ----------- ------- ----- ----- 4 61 8202 diamond*22,pearl*24

by **g.r.emlin** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:03 pm

::: game 0089 closed (idle for 1d01h) -- preliminary results :::

Code: Select all: game 0089 2009-09-06+03:00:00-0000 duration 1w01d dealer tarek pages 289-297 (idle) 4 players ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 JPF 4.5/4.5/3.4 JPF 6.7/6.7/6.6 m_b_metcalf 8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf 1.5/1.5/1.5 JPF 4.6/4.6/2.6 JPF 6.8/6.8/6.6 m_b_metcalf 8.4/8.4/8.4 gsf 1.7/1.5/1.5 JPF 4.7/4.7/3.4 JPF 6.9/6.9/3.4 JPF 8.5/8.5/8.3 gsf 2.0/2.0/2.0 JPF 4.8/2.6/2.6 JPF 7.0/7.0/2.6 gsf 8.6/8.6/8.4 m_b_metcalf 2.3/2.3/2.3 JPF 5.0/5.0/3.4 gsf 7.1/7.1/7.1 gsf 8.7/8.7/7.8 gsf 2.5/2.5/2.5 m_b_metcalf 5.2/2.0/2.0 gsf 7.2/7.2/7.2 gsf 8.8/8.8/8.8 m_b_metcalf 2.6/2.6/2.6 gsf 5.4/5.4/3.0 gsf 7.3/7.3/7.3 gsf 8.9/8.9/8.9 m_b_metcalf 2.8/2.8/2.8 gsf 5.6/4.7/3.4 JPF 7.4/7.4/7.3 gsf 9.0/9.0/9.0 m_b_metcalf 3.0/3.0/3.0 tarek 5.7/4.5/3.4 JPF 7.5/7.5/6.6 m_b_metcalf 9.1/9.1/9.0 m_b_metcalf 3.2/3.2/3.0 gsf 5.8/3.4/3.4 JPF 7.6/7.6/6.6 m_b_metcalf 9.2/9.2/9.0 m_b_metcalf 3.4/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf 5.9/2.3/2.3 gsf 7.7/7.7/6.6 JPF 9.3/9.3/8.8 m_b_metcalf 3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf 6.0/2.0/2.0 gsf 7.8/7.8/7.8 gsf 9.4/9.4/8.9 gsf 3.8/3.8/3.8 gsf 6.1/1.2/1.2 gsf 7.9/7.9/6.6 gsf 9.5/9.5/8.9 JPF 4.0/4.0/4.0 JPF 6.2/6.2/6.2 m_b_metcalf 8.0/8.0/6.6 m_b_metcalf 4.2/4.2/4.2 gsf 6.5/4.5/3.4 gsf 8.1/2.3/2.3 JPF 4.4/4.4/4.4 m_b_metcalf 6.6/6.6/6.6 m_b_metcalf 8.2/8.2/8.2 gsf ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 4.9 5.1 9.6-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- tarek 1 23 3h12m diamond,dealer m_b_metcalf 17 1767 1h42m diamond*8,pearl*9 JPF 17 2552 3h26m diamond,pearl*6,highest-rating=1266 gsf 26 3860 1h39m diamond*12,pearl*9,last-entry=1387,edited,resigned-entry ----------- ------- ----- ----- 4 61 8202 diamond*22,pearl*24

by **gsf** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:16 am

::: comment :::
here's a suggestion, based on ideas posted during the last game,
for retooling the scoring to keep the game interesting for all player levels

change the highest rating percentage from 25% to 10%

Code: Select all: SCORE_HIGHEST_PERCENT=10

change the last entry percentage from 25% to 5%

Code: Select all: SCORE_LAST_PERCENT=5

add a rare rating bonus
the referee keeps a count of all ratings from all previous games
ratings with count <= 2 are rare

Code: Select all: RARE_ED=2

the rare entry bonus is (SCORE_RARE_ED*(RARE_ED-count+1)

Code: Select all: SCORE_RARE_ED=200

if a rare entry is trumped then the bonus is reduced to
(SCORE_TRUMPED_RARE_ED*(RARE_ED-count+1)

Code: Select all: SCORE_TRUMPED_RARE_ED=50

the name=value settings are up for discussion
the rare rating bonus might help diversify the game catalog

the referee will post messages noting rare ratings

the code is in the referee for the next game
setting values to 0 or -1 can effectively disable the corresponding bonus

here is what the score would have been for the last game with the settings above

I can plug in other values so that we can reach consensus, at least for the next game

Code: Select all: ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 4.9 5.1 9.6-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- tarek 1 73 3h12m diamond,dealer m_b_metcalf 17 3417 1h42m rare-1*2,rare-2*2,diamond*8,pearl*5 gsf 26 5745 1h39m rare-0,rare-1*3,rare-2*2,diamond*12,pearl*6,last-entry=672,edited,resigned-entry JPF 17 6032 3h26m rare-0*3,rare-1*2,rare-2*3,diamond,pearl*3,highest-rating=1146 ----------- ------- ----- ----- 4 61 15267 rare-0*4,rare-1*7,rare-2*7,diamond*22,pearl*14

by **g.r.emlin** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:03 am

::: game 0090 start LIGHTNING at 2009-09-16+23:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: dealer status candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin) 88 g.r.emlin past patterns 1 claudiarabia 1 pseudocoup 2 g.r.emlin 10 Pat 16 Mauricio 1 draco 1 ravel 9 gsf 14 coloin 19 tarek 1 Eioru 1 wintder 9 m_b_metcalf 16 JPF 19 TTHsieh

by **m_b_metcalf** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:14 am

I would suggest that

Code: Select all: SCORE_TRUMPED_RARE_ED=200

be reduced to 50.

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **gsf** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:25 am

::: comment :::

m_b_metcalf wrote:I would suggest that
Code: Select all
SCORE_TRUMPED_RARE_ED=200
be reduced to 50.

that was a cut&paste typo -- its 50 in the code

btw the referee will post messages noting rare ratings

by **tarek** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:33 am

::: comment :::

Is the Highest rating bonus static?

If it isn't then a person who is ahead & has posted a highest rating puzzle might not be caught even if he/she resigns.

IMO all bonuses should be static & the last entry bonus should have the highest bonus

tarek

by **gsf** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:35 pm

::: comment :::

here are three score settings and their affect on the previous game
percentage scoring has bonuses based on a percentage of the score at submission time
static scoring has fixed bonuses for the highest and last entry

Code: Select all: === old scoring === integer RARE_ER=5 # rare ER count (of all previous games) integer RARE_ED=-1 # rare ER/EP/ED count (of all previous games) integer SCORE_HIGHEST=0 # highest ER/EP/ED rating adjustment integer SCORE_HIGHEST_PERCENT=25 # percentage of current total for highest integer SCORE_LAST=0 # last entry adjustment integer SCORE_LAST_PERCENT=25 # percentage of current total for last integer SCORE_RARE_ED=200 # rare ER/EP/ED rating bonus integer SCORE_TRUMPED_RARE_ED=50 # trumped rare ER/EP/ED rating bonus ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 4.9 5.1 9.6-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- tarek 1 23 3h12m diamond,dealer m_b_metcalf 17 1767 1h42m diamond*8,pearl*9 JPF 17 2552 3h26m diamond,pearl*6,highest-rating=1266 gsf 26 3860 1h39m diamond*12,pearl*9,last-entry=1387,edited,resigned-entry ----------- ------- ----- ----- 4 61 8202 diamond*22,pearl*24 === percentage scoring === integer RARE_ER=5 # rare ER count (of all previous games) integer RARE_ED=2 # rare ER/EP/ED count (of all previous games) integer SCORE_HIGHEST=0 # highest ER/EP/ED rating adjustment integer SCORE_HIGHEST_PERCENT=10 # % of current total for highest ER/EP/ED rating integer SCORE_LAST=0 # last entry adjustment integer SCORE_LAST_PERCENT=5 # % of current total for last entry integer SCORE_RARE_ED=200 # rare ER/EP/ED rating bonus integer SCORE_TRUMPED_RARE_ED=50 # trumped rare ER/EP/ED rating bonus ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 4.9 5.1 9.6-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- tarek 1 73 3h12m diamond,dealer m_b_metcalf 17 3417 1h42m rare-1*2,rare-2*2,diamond*8,pearl*5 gsf 26 5745 1h39m rare-0,rare-1*3,rare-2*2,diamond*12,pearl*6,last-entry=672,edited,resigned-entry JPF 17 6032 3h26m rare-0*3,rare-1*2,rare-2*3,diamond,pearl*3,highest-rating=1146 ----------- ------- ----- ----- 4 61 15267 rare-0*4,rare-1*7,rare-2*7,diamond*22,pearl*14 === static scoring === integer RARE_ER=5 # rare ER count (of all previous games) integer RARE_ED=2 # rare ER/EP/ED count (of all previous games) integer SCORE_HIGHEST=200 # highest ER/EP/ED rating adjustment integer SCORE_HIGHEST_PERCENT=0 # % of current total for highest ER/EP/ED rating integer SCORE_LAST=200 # last entry adjustment integer SCORE_LAST_PERCENT=0 # % of current total for last entry integer SCORE_RARE_ED=200 # rare ER/EP/ED rating bonus integer SCORE_TRUMPED_RARE_ED=50 # trumped rare ER/EP/ED rating bonus ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 4.9 5.1 9.6-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- tarek 1 73 3h12m diamond,dealer m_b_metcalf 17 3417 1h42m rare-1*2,rare-2*2,diamond*8,pearl*5 JPF 17 5086 3h26m rare-0*3,rare-1*2,rare-2*3,diamond,pearl*3,highest-rating gsf 26 5273 1h39m rare-0,rare-1*3,rare-2*2,diamond*12,pearl*6,last-entry,edited,resigned-entry ----------- ------- ----- ----- 4 61 13849 rare-0*4,rare-1*7,rare-2*7,diamond*22,pearl*14

by **tarek** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:04 pm

::: comment :::

So if I understood you correctly gsf ...

a Static bonus is a numerical value that is known before the game starts.
a Percentage bonus is related to the puzzle submission ordinal.
a dynamic bonus is a bonus that changes even after the puzzle is submitted as the game progresses.

I would then favour the percentage bonus because it motivates players to take risks to get higher rewards. I would be against a dynamic bonus.

tarek

by **gsf** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:14 pm

tarek wrote:::: comment :::

So if I understood you correctly gsf ...

a Static bonus is a numerical value that is known before the game starts.
a Percentage bonus is related to the puzzle submission ordinal.
a dynamic bonus is a bonus that changes even after the puzzle is submitted as the game progresses.

I would then favour the percentage bonus because it motivates players to take risks to get higher rewards. I would be against a dynamic bonus.

tarek

that's it
I'll clarify in the rules that the percentage bonus is the percentage of the total score at the time the puzzle is submitted

by **g.r.emlin** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:00 pm

::: game 0090 open LIGHTNING 2009-09-16+23:00:09-0000 dealer g.r.emlin 26 clues horizontal and vertical symmetry :::

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