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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:27 am

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Re: Patterns Game

Postby enxio27 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:08 am

::: comment :::

What are the criteria for puzzles submitted as ::: more :::?
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Postby g.r.emlin » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:31 am

::: game 0295 idle 2017-11-11+07:31:48-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2017-11-11+10:00:00-0000 :::
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game 0295 2017-11-02+17:00:00-0000 duration 1w00d dealer Pat pages 2307-2315 (open) 5 players 1 resigned
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    1.2/1.2/1.2 Patrice        4.6/4.6/3.4 Patrice        7.1/7.1/7.1 m_b_metcalf    8.8/8.8/8.8 Patrice
    1.5/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    4.7/3.4/3.0 enxio27        7.2/7.2/7.2 m_b_metcalf    8.9/8.9/8.9 m_b_metcalf
    1.7/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    5.0/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.3/7.3/7.3 m_b_metcalf    9.0/9.0/9.0 m_b_metcalf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 Patrice        5.2/1.2/1.2 enxio27        7.4/7.4/7.4 Patrice        9.1/9.1/9.1 ssxsssxs
    2.3/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    5.4/1.2/1.2 Patrice        7.5/7.5/7.5 Patrice        9.2/9.2/9.2 ssxsssxs
    2.5/2.5/2.5 m_b_metcalf    5.6/4.5/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.6/7.6/7.6 m_b_metcalf    9.3/9.3/9.3 m_b_metcalf
    2.6/2.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf    5.7/4.2/3.4 Patrice        7.7/7.7/7.6 Patrice        9.4/9.4/9.4 ssxsssxs
    2.8/2.8/2.8 Patrice        5.8/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.8/7.8/7.8 m_b_metcalf    9.5/9.5/9.5 Patrice
    3.0/3.0/3.0 m_b_metcalf    5.9/1.2/1.2 enxio27        7.9/7.9/7.2 Patrice        9.6/9.6/9.6 Patrice
    3.2/3.2/3.2 Patrice        6.0/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf    8.0/8.0/7.1 Patrice        9.7/9.7/9.7 Patrice
    3.4/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf    6.2/6.2/6.2 Patrice        8.1/7.3/3.6 Patrice        9.8/9.8/9.8 Patrice
    3.6/3.6/3.6 Patrice        6.5/4.2/3.4 Patrice        8.2/8.2/8.2 Patrice        9.9/9.9/9.6 Patrice
    3.8/3.8/3.4 m_b_metcalf    6.6/6.6/6.6 m_b_metcalf    8.3/8.3/8.3 m_b_metcalf  10.1/10.1/9.4 Patrice
    4.0/4.0/4.0 Pat            6.7/6.7/6.6 m_b_metcalf    8.4/8.4/8.4 Patrice      10.2/10.2/9.3 Patrice
    4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf    6.8/6.8/6.8 Pat            8.5/8.5/8.5 Patrice      10.3/10.3/9.4 Patrice
    4.4/4.4/4.4 Patrice        6.9/6.9/6.6 Patrice        8.6/8.6/8.6 Patrice      10.4/10.4/9.4 Patrice
    4.5/4.5/3.6 Patrice        7.0/7.0/7.0 m_b_metcalf    8.7/8.7/8.7 m_b_metcalf   10.5/1.2/1.2 ssxsssxs
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    open ratings : 4.8 4.9 5.1 6.1 10.0 10.6-11.4 11.6-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
         enxio27        3    138     7h27m  lower-pearl,dup-rating
             Pat        2    186     6m29s  diamond*2,dealer
        ssxsssxs        4    850     4h29m  rare-0,diamond*3,highest-rating=390
     m_b_metcalf       26   2018     1h36m  rare-2,diamond*17,pearl*2,bad-rating,resigned
         Patrice       33   4173     1h46m  rare-0,diamond*16,pearl*11,last-entry=332
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               5       68   7365            rare-0*2,rare-2,diamond*38,pearl*13,resigned
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:38 am

::: comment :::
more puzzles

the rule says (see post 1 of this thread)
After the game is closed and before the next game starts players may post a batch of additional valid but unplayable puzzles for the closed game:
Unplayable puzzles include those cached by the last player and puzzles with a higher ER/EP/ED of an entry by the same player.

With the actual parameters of the referee (gremlin), no points are added for the "more" sudoku... and no penalty if you made a bad submission

So you can post what you think is interesting for any reason :
- playable sudoku if you had the turn, self trump sudoku
- high rating sudoku (champagne tries to collect every sudoku with a higher rating than 10.3 and specifically the 11.x)
- rare ratings or rare used rules

It's up to you !
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:52 am

::: more :::
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.1..2..3...24....5.........6....1....2..7...3..15...8.5.96...2..6..8...9..4..3... ED=4.7/4.7/3.4
.1..2..3...41....5.........3....6....2..7...4..65...8.6.53...9..7..5...8..8..7... ED=4.8/2.3/2.3
.1..2..3...45....1.........6....7....3..4...5..78...9.7.93...2..5..9...4..8..6... ED=5.0/2.5/2.5
.1..2..3...45....1.........6....7....2..1...4..89...5.7.96...8..8..4...7..6..9... ED=5.2/4.4/3.4
.1..2..3...34....5.........6....7....3..1...8..26...7.9.47...1..5..8...2..6..9... ED=5.6/4.5/3.6
.1..2..3...24....5.........5....1....2..3...6..17...8.8.79...2..6..8...3..4..7... ED=5.7/4.2/3.4
.1..2..3...34....5.........6....3....2..1...7..75...8.7.48...1..8..9...3..5..4... ED=5.9/3.6/3.6
.1..2..3...41....5.........6....7....8..9...4..98...6.8.62...1..5..4...7..3..9... ED=6.0/3.4/3.4
.1..2..3...45....2.........4....6....3..7...8..53...9.9.36...1..5..8...7..1..2... ED=6.1/2.0/2.0
.1..2..3...41....5.........6....7....8..5...6..39...2.1.83...9..2..1...8..5..4... ED=7.9/7.9/7.3
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:54 am

::: comment :::
oups ,
the game was not closed !
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Postby g.r.emlin » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:02 am

::: game 0295 closed (idle for 1d00h) -- preliminary results :::
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game 0295 2017-11-02+17:00:00-0000 duration 1w00d dealer Pat pages 2307-2316 (final) 5 players 1 resigned
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 Patrice        4.6/4.6/3.4 Patrice        7.1/7.1/7.1 m_b_metcalf    8.8/8.8/8.8 Patrice
    1.5/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    4.7/3.4/3.0 enxio27        7.2/7.2/7.2 m_b_metcalf    8.9/8.9/8.9 m_b_metcalf
    1.7/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    5.0/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.3/7.3/7.3 m_b_metcalf    9.0/9.0/9.0 m_b_metcalf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 Patrice        5.2/1.2/1.2 enxio27        7.4/7.4/7.4 Patrice        9.1/9.1/9.1 ssxsssxs
    2.3/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    5.4/1.2/1.2 Patrice        7.5/7.5/7.5 Patrice        9.2/9.2/9.2 ssxsssxs
    2.5/2.5/2.5 m_b_metcalf    5.6/4.5/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.6/7.6/7.6 m_b_metcalf    9.3/9.3/9.3 m_b_metcalf
    2.6/2.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf    5.7/4.2/3.4 Patrice        7.7/7.7/7.6 Patrice        9.4/9.4/9.4 ssxsssxs
    2.8/2.8/2.8 Patrice        5.8/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.8/7.8/7.8 m_b_metcalf    9.5/9.5/9.5 Patrice
    3.0/3.0/3.0 m_b_metcalf    5.9/1.2/1.2 enxio27        7.9/7.9/7.2 Patrice        9.6/9.6/9.6 Patrice
    3.2/3.2/3.2 Patrice        6.0/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf    8.0/8.0/7.1 Patrice        9.7/9.7/9.7 Patrice
    3.4/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf    6.2/6.2/6.2 Patrice        8.1/7.3/3.6 Patrice        9.8/9.8/9.8 Patrice
    3.6/3.6/3.6 Patrice        6.5/4.2/3.4 Patrice        8.2/8.2/8.2 Patrice        9.9/9.9/9.6 Patrice
    3.8/3.8/3.4 m_b_metcalf    6.6/6.6/6.6 m_b_metcalf    8.3/8.3/8.3 m_b_metcalf  10.1/10.1/9.4 Patrice
    4.0/4.0/4.0 Pat            6.7/6.7/6.6 m_b_metcalf    8.4/8.4/8.4 Patrice      10.2/10.2/9.3 Patrice
    4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf    6.8/6.8/6.8 Pat            8.5/8.5/8.5 Patrice      10.3/10.3/9.4 Patrice
    4.4/4.4/4.4 Patrice        6.9/6.9/6.6 Patrice        8.6/8.6/8.6 Patrice      10.4/10.4/9.4 Patrice
    4.5/4.5/3.6 Patrice        7.0/7.0/7.0 m_b_metcalf    8.7/8.7/8.7 m_b_metcalf   10.5/1.2/1.2 ssxsssxs
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    open ratings : 4.8 4.9 5.1 6.1 10.0 10.6-11.4 11.6-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
         enxio27        3    138     7h27m  lower-pearl,dup-rating
             Pat        2    186     6m29s  diamond*2,dealer
        ssxsssxs        4    850     4h29m  rare-0,diamond*3,highest-rating=390
     m_b_metcalf       26   2018     1h36m  rare-2,diamond*17,pearl*2,bad-rating,resigned
         Patrice       33   4173     1h46m  rare-0,diamond*16,pearl*11,last-entry=332
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               5       68   7365            rare-0*2,rare-2,diamond*38,pearl*13,resigned
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby enxio27 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:26 am

::: comment :::
Patrice wrote:So you can post what you think is interesting for any reason :
- playable sudoku if you had the turn, self trump sudoku
- high rating sudoku (champagne tries to collect every sudoku with a higher rating than 10.3 and specifically the 11.x)
- rare ratings or rare used rules

It's up to you !

Is there a limit in number? I don't see it in the rules, but wondering what's customary/practical. I have a pretty large batch of higher EP/ED within each ER, but I'm sure y'all don't want to see ALL of those. Unfortunately, I haven't managed to generate anything higher than an 9.3 ER.
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:59 pm

Patrice wrote:With the actual parameters of the referee (gremlin), no points are added for the "more" sudoku... and no penalty if you made a bad submission


This is not 100% true, I got once a huge penalty after a "more" sent first without the code /code, then in what I assumed to be the right way and I had a 50 points penalty per more item!!

The rules are unclear.
I suggest to limit the " more " to possible submissions in the final status of the game (including self-trumping) this is the basic idea of the "more"
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:13 am

::: patterns :::
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby enxio27 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:06 pm

::: comment :::

In the 261,000 puzzles I generated for game 0295, I have 916 puzzles that would have been competitive if I had generated them early enough in the game to play them. (Needless to say, all are higher than the ones I actually played.) All are diamonds as well as pearls. All have an ER of at least 4.2, and all those with ER=5.0 or greater have an EP of at least 4.2. A number of puzzles have ER=EP=ED. Unfortunately, the highest rated is 9.2/9.2/9.1 (I have yet to generate a puzzle greater than 9.4/1.2/1.2).

The guidelines on ::: more ::: aren't very clear or specific. Do y'all really want me to post all 916 of these puzzles? (I can post them in batches, if preferred.) If not, what criteria should I use to select which ones to post?
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:10 am

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enxio27

you should not post "more" your 916 puzzles ... that's too much and not interesting neither for the game, nor for champagne's collection
as you can see, I have posted mores that are only higher than puzzles already played by other players or by myself (self trump)

self trump is : for an ER the higher played puzzle was mine and I found a better that I could not play (see rules : self trump forbidden)

You are right the rules for "mores" are unclear, but if you look at previous games, you will see what have been done by regular players

And good luck for the next one
I will be with poor internet connection, so I will have difficulties to play !!!
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby enxio27 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:03 pm

::: comment :::

Patrice wrote:you should not post "more" your 916 puzzles ... that's too much and not interesting neither for the game, nor for champagne's collection

Define "interesting". What is interesting to me may or may not be what is interesting to others.

Other than what little is in the rules post, the only discussion I could find on the subject is this (post56133.html#p54852):

JPF wrote:Even if we don't really care, I think that we should give only the best ED rating in the ::: more ::: section.


Accordingly, I have cut my list of 916 down to 51. I'll post those and take comments from there.

BTW, was this ever implemented (post56133.html#p56133):

gsf wrote:I will look into allowing ::: more NNNN ::: for game NNNN
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby enxio27 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:07 pm

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Re: Patterns Game

Postby m_b_metcalf » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:57 pm

enxio27, please do not pollute the results file with 'more' submissions which are not better than thos already posted for the game. I have programs that process these files and you'll just make life more difficult to no real purpose. If they're intersting to you, please store them locally.

Thank you,

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