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[gsf]

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I checked and confirm:

10.7 10.7 10.5 and 10.6 10.6 10.6 are morphs

we should discuss rules on when entries catch SE equivalent puzzle different ER bugs
something like:
* the lowest ER of submitted morphs counts (maybe with a bonus)
* the other morphs with different ER don't count and are not penalized (maybe with a bonus)
bonuses may provide SE debugging incentive

also, I'll put it on the todo list to see if the referee "duplicate entry" messages can list both entries

[champagne]

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::: comment :::

I checked and confirm:

10.7 10.7 10.5 and 10.6 10.6 10.6 are morphs

we should discuss rules on when entries catch SE equivalent puzzle different ER bugs
something like:
* the lowest ER of submitted morphs counts (maybe with a bonus)
* the other morphs with different ER don't count and are not penalized (maybe with a bonus)
bonuses may provide SE debugging incentive

also, I'll put it on the todo list to see if the referee "duplicate entry" messages can list both entries

Just a short message as I am not free till to morrow morning at the best.

Try to keep it simple. I would suggest :

Keep the first rating
no penalty for morphs having a different rating.

In fact, especially in that situation, it's not workable to check morphs having different ratings during the game.
I would have caught in the same way with reverse order.

champagne

[joel64]

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[gsf]

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[ronk]

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I would suggest :

Keep the first rating
no penalty for morphs having a different rating.

In fact, especially in that situation, it's not workable to check morphs having different ratings during the game.
I would have caught in the same way with reverse order.

Of course it's workable. I've been checking for morphs to previously played puzzles ever since the last time I was burned by this bug.

My recommendations:

Use the score of the first,
Penalize the morph posted later, unless it's within a 2 minute time window of the first,
Provide no bonus (highest_rating, last_entry, rarity, etc.) for the morph

I'm testing the 10.7 with lksudoku's "FIXED14" version of Explainer. I strongly suspect this bug has been fixed. We could surgically replace code to fix just this 1 of the 14 improvements made by lksudoku.

[edit:The results are a surprise to me. lksudoku's "FIXED14" has the same ER=10.7 and 10.6 ratings as originally posted. I didn't run serate to get EP/ED.]

[m_b_metcalf]

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[ronk]

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0147 status 2011-07-24+18:06:56-0000 :::

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game 0147 2011-07-23+05:00:00-0000 duration 1d13h dealer Pat pages 1003-1010 (open) 6 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    4.6/4.5/3.0 joel64         8.4/8.4/8.4 champagne      9.8/9.8/9.2 m_b_metcalf
    1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf            5.8/3.4/3.4 joel64         8.5/7.8/6.7 gsf            9.9/9.9/9.9 champagne
    2.0/2.0/2.0 gsf            6.6/6.6/6.6 ronk           8.6/7.6/3.4 gsf          10.0/10.0/9.5 m_b_metcalf
    2.3/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf    6.7/6.7/6.7 m_b_metcalf    8.7/7.2/3.8 gsf          10.1/10.1/9.5 m_b_metcalf
    2.5/2.5/2.5 gsf            7.0/6.7/3.8 joel64         8.8/8.8/8.8 champagne    10.2/10.2/9.4 m_b_metcalf
    2.6/2.5/2.5 m_b_metcalf    7.1/7.1/7.1 m_b_metcalf    8.9/8.9/8.9 champagne    10.3/10.3/9.4 m_b_metcalf
    2.8/2.8/2.8 champagne      7.2/7.2/7.2 m_b_metcalf    9.0/9.0/9.0 champagne    10.4/10.4/9.9 m_b_metcalf
    3.0/3.0/3.0 champagne      7.3/7.3/7.3 champagne      9.1/9.1/9.1 champagne    10.5/10.5/9.9 joel64
    3.2/3.2/3.2 joel64         7.6/7.6/7.6 ronk           9.2/9.2/9.2 m_b_metcalf 10.6/10.6/10.5 champagne
    3.4/3.4/3.4 champagne      7.7/7.1/3.8 gsf            9.3/9.3/9.3 joel64      10.7/10.7/10.5 champagne
    3.6/3.6/3.6 champagne      7.8/7.8/7.8 champagne      9.4/9.4/9.4 m_b_metcalf 11.3/11.3/10.4 champagne
    3.8/3.8/3.8 champagne      8.0/8.0/3.4 gsf            9.5/9.5/9.5 ronk
    4.2/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.2/8.2/8.2 champagne      9.6/9.6/9.6 champagne
    4.5/3.4/3.0 m_b_metcalf    8.3/8.3/8.3 champagne      9.7/9.7/9.7 champagne
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    rare ratings : 11.3

    open ratings : 1.7 4.0 4.4 4.7-5.2 5.4 5.6 5.7 5.9-6.2 6.5 6.8 6.9 7.4 7.5 7.9 8.1 10.8-11.2 11.4

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
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             Pat        0      0         0  dealer
            ronk        3    428    32m39s  diamond*3
          joel64        6    771    21m47s  rare-0*2,rare-1*2,rare-2,diamond*2,pearl
             gsf        8   1009    45m06s  rare-0*9,rare-1,rare-2*2,diamond,pearl
     m_b_metcalf       16   2176    21m34s  rare-0*2,rare-1*2,diamond*5,pearl*6,last-entry=322,dup-puzzle
       champagne       20   2926    33m14s  rare-0,diamond*17,pearl*3,highest-rating=536
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               6       53   7310            rare-0*14,rare-1*5,rare-2*3,diamond*28,pearl*11


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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf