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Everything about Sudoku that doesn't fit in one of the other sections

Postby JPF » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:32 am

Hi Tarek,

Let me try,

Puzzle #01 :
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6 . .|. . .|. . 3
. . .|8 6 1|. . .
. . 4|. . .|7 . .
-----+-----+-----
. 1 .|7 . .|. 5 .
. 6 .|. 9 .|. 4 .
. 9 .|. . 4|. 6 .
-----+-----+-----
. . 7|. . .|1 . .
. . .|5 8 9|. . .
5 . .|. . .|. . 9


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Postby Ruud » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:40 am

Here are a few more from my collection. None of them require X-Wing, but they require lots and lots of solving steps.

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Ruud #04 - 74-2354

. . .|. . .|9 7 .
1 5 7|. . .|. . .
. 6 .|. 8 .|. . .
-----+-----+-----
. . 4|. . 6|. 8 1
. . .|. 4 .|. . .
7 3 .|2 . .|4 . .
-----+-----+-----
. . .|. 1 .|. 4 .
. . .|. . .|2 6 5
. 8 3|. . .|. . .

Ruud #05 - 75-2575

. . .|2 . .|. . .
. . .|. 1 .|6 9 .
. . 5|8 . .|4 7 .
-----+-----+-----
3 . .|7 . .|. 1 .
9 . .|. . .|. . 3
. 4 .|. . 5|. . 6
-----+-----+-----
. 6 1|. . 3|2 . .
. 7 8|. 2 .|. . .
. . .|. . 1|. . .

Ruud #06 - 76-2666

. . .|. 7 .|4 . .
9 6 .|. . .|. . 1
. . .|5 . 8|. . .
-----+-----+-----
1 9 .|. . .|2 . .
. . 5|. 3 .|8 . .
. . 7|. . .|. 1 6
-----+-----+-----
. . .|7 . 6|. . .
4 . .|. . .|. 3 5
. . 9|. 2 .|. . .


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Postby tarek » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:47 am

Hi JPF, thanx for this nice puzzle that has also diaginal refelective summetries.

I think the puzzle is a bit harder than the standards here, it does have one of the solving techniques permitted, but it still needs (what is considered) an advanced technique by the Superior standards, I'm sure you can lower the bar a bit.......


With Ruuds latest puzzles, the total stands at 27:D

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Postby tarek » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:16 am

Here is my solver's rating of your puzzles gsf:
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gsf#01: 0
gsf#02: 33
gsf#03: 5
gsf#04: 11
gsf#05: 61
gsf#06: 69
gsf#07: 44
gsf#08: 145
gsf#09: 326
gsf#10: 0
gsf#11: 13
gsf#12: 10
gsf#13: 24
gsf#14: 59
gsf#15: 228

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Postby Ruud » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:33 am

Tarek,

responding to your reflection affection, I dug up this beauty:

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. . .|8 . 5|. . .
. 1 .|. 3 .|. 9 .
. . 4|. 9 .|8 . .
-----+-----+-----
7 . .|. . .|. . 1
. . 3|2 . 7|4 . .
2 . .|. . .|. . 7
-----+-----+-----
. . 9|. 8 .|6 . .
. 5 .|. 6 .|. 4 .
. . .|3 . 2|. . .


It is not in the difficulty league of my earlier entries, but it still requires 2 X-Wings and has reflections in horizontal and vertical directions.

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Postby tarek » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:40 am

My solver's ratings of the updated puzzle list to date:
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Puzzle #001 (tarek)       :217
Puzzle #002 (ab)          :130
Puzzle #003 (Ruud)        :565
Puzzle #004 (tarek/ab)    :325
Puzzle #005 (ab/tarek)    :310
Puzzle #006 (ab)          :469
Puzzle #007 (vidar)       :326
Puzzle #008 (vidar)       :482
Puzzle #009 (vidar)       :419
Puzzle #010 (Ruud)        :428
Puzzle #011 (Ruud)        :449
Puzzle #012 (gsf)         :145
Puzzle #013 (gsf)         :326
Puzzle #014 (gsf)         :228
Puzzle #015 (henk)        :644
Puzzle #016 (henk)        :487
Puzzle #017 (henk)        :326
Puzzle #018 (henk)        :449
Puzzle #019 (ab)          :445
Puzzle #020 (ab)          :363
Puzzle #021 (vidar)       :407
Puzzle #022 (vidar)       :599
Puzzle #023 (vidar)       :151
Puzzle #024 (Red Ed)      :116
Puzzle #025 (Ruud)        :366
Puzzle #026 (Ruud)        :315
Puzzle #027 (Ruud)        :191
Puzzle #028 (Ruud)        :236
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Postby tarek » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:51 am

Ruud wrote:responding to your reflection affection
:D
Ruud wrote:responding to your reflection affection
:D:D:D
Ruud wrote:I dug up this beauty
Indeed....

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Postby ab » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:06 am

Red Ed wrote:
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......12.
5........
3..45....
...3.15..
..4...2..
..68.9...
....62..9
........6
.48......
Nice thing about this is that it's automorphic: rotation by 90 degrees clockwise simply relabels the digits!:D

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.....7...
.58..1.4.
..1..698.
462......
.........
......193
.869..2..
.3.2..87.
...5.....
... and another ...
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.......8.
98...736.
.7...9...
.51.6....
...8.1...
....9.83.
...6...2.
.952...16
.1.......


I'm not sure that these puzzles satisfy Tarek's requirements for superior puzzles but their symmetry is beautiful. Bundled with my solver is a program which steps through the solution to a puzzle. Running it with these puzzles is a joy:)

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Postby ab » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:35 am

Tarek you missed my x puzzle off the list. Is it not hard enough? It has the required rotational symmetry. According to my solver it needs simple box/line and an x wing. I thought you liked puzzles that required a combination of techniques!
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Postby Mage » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:00 am

Nice thread.

I am new here and hope you will like those two puzzles.

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Mage #0313
+-------+-------+-------+
| . . . | 7 9 5 | . . . |
| . 9 . | . . . | . 2 6 |
| 4 . . | . . . | . . . |
+-------+-------+-------+
| . . 3 | . . . | 1 . . |
| . 1 . | 2 8 6 | . 5 . |
| . . 5 | . . . | 7 . . |
+-------+-------+-------+
| . . . | . . . | . . 9 |
| 8 6 . | . . . | . 4 . |
| . . . | 4 1 3 | . . . |
+-------+-------+-------+

Mage #0321
+-------+-------+-------+
| . . 1 | . . 4 | 9 . . |
| . . . | . . 5 | . . . |
| . 6 . | . . . | 2 . 4 |
+-------+-------+-------+
| 8 . . | . 3 . | . . 5 |
| 7 . . | . . . | . . 1 |
| 5 . . | . 2 . | . . 6 |
+-------+-------+-------+
| 1 . 9 | . . . | . 4 . |
| . . . | 7 . . | . . . |
| . . 2 | 8 . . | 3 . . |
+-------+-------+-------+


EDIT : they have no singles to start:D

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Postby ab » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:41 am

Code: Select all
+-------+-------+-------+
| . . . | . . . | . . . |
| . . 9 | 8 . 5 | 6 . . |
| . 5 . | 9 . 6 | . 7 . |
+-------+-------+-------+
| . 8 3 | . . . | 9 1 . |
| . . . | . . . | . . . |
| . 6 1 | . . . | 8 4 . |
+-------+-------+-------+
| . 7 . | 1 . 4 | . 6 . |
| . . 8 | 6 . 9 | 5 . . |
| . . . | . . . | . . . |
+-------+-------+-------+



I couldn't resist posting one more. If nothing else, just to show Ruud he's not the only one who can create puzzles with no singles to start.:)

After the start this puzzle's easy, so it might not make the cut. Nevertheless I think you'll agree it's pretty.

This thread got me thinking, you get competitions for solvers, maybe there should be competitions for setters too. Manual setters that is. I have created a few puzzles by hand but none requires more than singles.

one other thing. I altered one of Henk's puzzles. It doesn't really add any difficulty and reduces the symmetry a bit, but I thought I'd share it with you:
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 . . . | . . 2 | . . .
 4 . . | . 9 . | . . 1
 . 5 . | 8 . 4 | . 7 .
-------+-------+------
 . . 3 | . . . | 2 . .
 . 2 1 | . . . | 3 8 .
 . . 7 | . . . | 5 . .
-------+-------+------
 . 7 . | 3 . 9 | . 5 .
 9 . . | . 6 . | . . 4
 . . . | 2 . . | . . .
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Postby henk » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:12 am

I have some harder puzzles:

Rating 4025: (4-way symmetry, 4 x-wings)
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 . . . | . . . | . . .
 . . 4 | . 8 . | 1 . .
 . 8 . | 6 . 7 | . 5 .
-------+-------+------
 9 5 . | 2 . 8 | . 4 7
 2 . . | . 6 . | . . 3
 7 1 . | 4 . 3 | . 2 9
-------+-------+------
 . 6 . | 8 . 2 | . 3 .
 . . 1 | . 9 . | 4 . .
 . . . | . . . | . . .


Rating 3729: (4-way symmetry, 4 x-wings)
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 . 2 . | . . . | . 3 .
 . . 7 | . 2 . | 1 . .
 . . 9 | 6 . 8 | 2 . .
-------+-------+------
 . 6 . | 7 . 5 | . 2 .
 . . 5 | . . . | 8 . .
 . 9 . | 2 . 1 | . 6 .
-------+-------+------
 . . 2 | 8 . 6 | 5 . .
 . . 1 | . 7 . | 9 . .
 . 5 . | . . . | . 1 .


Rating 3509: (4-way symmetry, 3 x-wings)
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 . . . | . 6 . | . . .
 3 . 7 | . . . | 5 . 6
 . . 1 | 3 . 9 | 8 . .
-------+-------+------
 7 . 5 | . . . | 1 . 8
 . . . | 8 4 1 | . . .
 1 . 8 | . . . | 2 . 3
-------+-------+------
 . . 3 | 2 . 6 | 9 . .
 8 . 9 | . . . | 3 . 2
 . . . | . 8 . | . . .




Ruud:
Your rating system is very different of mine. It looks like you rate the number of steps higher then the technique. Could you explain this a little?
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Postby vidarino » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:19 am

Here are two more that I found nice. Not particularly hard, but nice to look at, and the first one is also without any starting singles.:)

I'd number them, but I've lost count...

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Puzzle #??? (vidar)
+-------+-------+-------+
| . . 5 | 7 . 3 | 8 . . |
| . 8 . | . 9 . | . 5 . |
| 9 . . | . . . | . . 6 |
+-------+-------+-------+
| 3 . . | 6 . 4 | . . 2 |
| . 4 . | . . . | . 6 . |
| 6 . . | 5 . 9 | . . 7 |
+-------+-------+-------+
| 7 . . | . . . | . . 4 |
| . 3 . | . 4 . | . 2 . |
| . . 4 | 2 . 8 | 9 . . |
+-------+-------+-------+

Puzzle #???+1 (vidar)
+-------+-------+-------+
| 9 4 . | . 8 . | . 7 2 |
| 7 . . | 9 . 4 | . . 8 |
| . . . | . 2 . | . . . |
+-------+-------+-------+
| . 9 . | . . . | . 2 . |
| 6 . 7 | . . . | 4 . 1 |
| . 8 . | . . . | . 6 . |
+-------+-------+-------+
| . . . | . 3 . | . . . |
| 5 . . | 1 . 8 | . . 6 |
| 1 6 . | . 4 . | . 5 9 |
+-------+-------+-------+


BTW, it could be that my solver misses something, or takes an unusual solving path, but it couldn't solve henk's 4025-rated one without an XY-Wing..

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Postby henk » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:25 am

BTW, it could be that my solver misses something, or takes an unusual solving path, but it couldn't solve henk's 4025-rated one without an XY-Wing..


It is possible! You can check it yourself using my solver:
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Postby vidarino » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:42 am

henk wrote:It is possible! You can check it yourself using my solver:
Into Sudoku


Actually, I can't, since I don't (and don't plan to) run Windows. ;-) (I could try it under Wine, but I'm lazy...)

I'll take your word for it, though. It certainly wouldn't be the first time a puzzle was solved in two different ways.:) It might be interesting to figure out where the solvers "fork", but I don't want to clutter this thread. Here is my solver's log, if you're interested.

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