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by **m_b_metcalf** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:08 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . . . . . . 2 . 3 . . . 4 . 5 . . . 4 . . . 6 . . . . . 1 . 7 . 4 . . . . . 8 . . . . . 2 . 3 . 6 . . . . . 6 . . . 7 . . . 9 . 5 . . . 2 . 7 . . . . . . . 1 ED=3.0/1.2/1.2

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **ronk** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:39 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . . . . . . 2 . 3 . . . 4 . 5 . . . 2 . . . 6 . . . . . 1 . 7 . 8 . . . . . 6 . . . . . 8 . 5 . 3 . . . . . 9 . . . 2 . . . 5 . 8 . . . 7 . 6 . . . . . . . 1 ED=8.6/1.2/1.2

by **JPF** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:10 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . | . . . | . . 2 . 2 . | . . 3 | . 4 . . . 5 | . . . | 6 . . -------+-------+------- . . . | 6 . 7 | . 5 . . . . | . 1 . | . . . . 1 . | 4 . 2 | . . . -------+-------+------- . . 3 | . . . | 8 . . . 4 . | 5 . . | . 6 . 6 . . | . . . | . . 1 ED=6.7/1.2/1.2

JPF

by **ronk** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:09 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . . . . . . 2 . 3 . . . 1 . 8 . . . 2 . . . 5 . . . . . 3 . 4 . 7 . . . . . 6 . . . . . 6 . 5 . 8 . . . . . 1 . . . 4 . . . 8 . 2 . . . 3 . 5 . . . . . . . 1 ED=4.4/1.2/1.2

by **m_b_metcalf** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:17 am

Code: Select all: 1 . . . . . . . 2 . 3 . . . 4 . 5 . . . 4 . . . 6 . . . . . 7 . 6 . 4 . . . . . 3 . . . . . 7 . 2 . 8 . . . . . 6 . . . 8 . . . 9 . 5 . . . 3 . 8 . . . . . . . 1 ED=7.0/1.2/1.2

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **ronk** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:43 am

Code: Select all: 1 . . . . . . . 2 . 3 . . . 4 . 5 . . . 6 . . . 1 . . . . . 6 . 5 . 4 . . . . . 1 . . . . . 8 . 3 . 9 . . . . . 1 . . . 7 . . . 4 . 5 . . . 8 . 2 . . . . . . . 6 ED=7.9/1.2/1.2

by **champagne** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:16 am

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more handling

game 117

5 "more" first by gsf 5.0 2.0 2.0
only that one can be seen as a standard submission number 101 !!!!

game 118

first "more" champagne ok
second "more" joel not seen
others "more" by champagen not seen

champagne

by **ronk** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:07 pm

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champagne wrote:game 118
first "more" champagne ok
second "more" joel not seen
others "more" by champagen not seen

gsf. comparing rating 1 and rating 2
looks like there's a problem when ...

ER1 == ER2 and EP1 == EP2 but ED1 <> ED2

by **JPF** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:34 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . | . . . | . . 2 . 3 . | . . 4 | . 5 . . . 6 | . . . | 7 . . -------+-------+------- . . . | 8 . 5 | . 3 . . . . | . 2 . | . . . . 9 . | 3 . 6 | . . . -------+-------+------- . . 7 | . . . | 2 . . . 5 . | 9 . . | . 4 . 2 . . | . . . | . . 6 ED= 8.7/1.2/1.2

JPF

by **gsf** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:43 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . . . . . . 2 . 3 . . . 6 . 5 . . . 7 . . . 1 . . . . . 6 . 7 . 4 . . . . . 2 . . . . . 5 . 3 . 1 . . . . . 1 . . . 7 . . . 4 . 5 . . . 6 . 2 . . . . . . . 8 ED=8.2/7.2/3.4

by **ronk** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:11 pm

Code: Select all: 6 . . . . . . . 1 . 3 . . . 4 . 5 . . . 1 . . . 7 . . . . . 1 . 8 . 7 . . . . . 7 . . . . . 4 . 3 . 5 . . . . . 7 . . . 1 . . . 8 . 4 . . . 3 . 2 . . . . . . . 6 ED=2.5/1.2/1.2

by **g.r.emlin** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:12 pm

::: game 0119 status 2010-09-20+18:12:15-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0119 2010-09-18+09:00:00-0000 duration 2d09h dealer Mauricio pages 642-648 (open) 6 players ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.5/1.2/1.2 joel64 6.7/1.2/1.2 JPF 8.4/8.3/3.4 joel64 9.8/9.8/9.6 m_b_metcalf 1.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 6.8/1.2/1.2 JPF 8.5/8.3/3.4 gsf 9.9/9.9/9.9 gsf 2.0/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 7.0/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 8.6/1.2/1.2 ronk 10.0/10.0/3.4 m_b_metcalf 2.3/1.2/1.2 Mauricio 7.1/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 8.7/1.2/1.2 JPF 10.1/10.1/9.4 ronk 2.5/1.2/1.2 ronk 7.2/7.2/3.4 JPF 8.8/8.3/3.4 ronk 10.2/10.2/3.4 ronk 2.6/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 7.3/7.2/3.4 m_b_metcalf 8.9/8.9/7.2 joel64 10.3/10.3/3.4 ronk 2.8/1.2/1.2 JPF 7.4/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 9.0/9.0/8.3 m_b_metcalf 10.4/10.4/10.4 ronk 3.0/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 7.6/1.2/1.2 joel64 9.1/9.1/8.3 ronk 10.5/10.5/10.4 ronk 4.2/1.2/1.2 joel64 7.7/1.2/1.2 ronk 9.2/9.2/8.3 joel64 10.6/10.6/10.4 joel64 4.4/1.2/1.2 ronk 7.8/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 9.3/9.3/8.3 gsf 10.7/10.7/10.4 joel64 4.5/1.2/1.2 joel64 7.9/1.2/1.2 ronk 9.4/9.4/9.1 ronk 10.8/10.8/10.4 joel64 4.6/1.2/1.2 JPF 8.0/1.2/1.2 JPF 9.5/9.5/3.4 ronk 10.9/10.9/10.4 ronk 5.6/1.2/1.2 joel64 8.2/7.2/3.4 gsf 9.6/9.6/9.6 ronk 11.0/11.0/10.4 ronk 6.6/1.2/1.2 joel64 8.3/8.3/3.4 ronk 9.7/9.7/9.6 joel64 11.3/11.3/3.4 gsf ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ rare ratings : 10.9 11.0 11.3 open ratings : 1.2 3.2 3.4 3.6 3.8 4.0 4.7-5.2 5.4 5.7-6.2 6.5 6.9 7.5 8.1 11.1 11.2 11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- Mauricio 1 -19 0 dealer JPF 7 472 1h04m pearl m_b_metcalf 12 876 41m25s rare-2,pearl*3 gsf 5 1072 52m59s rare-1*3,diamond,pearl*2,highest-rating=274 joel64 13 1355 43m26s rare-0*2,rare-1,rare-2*4,pearl*6 ronk 18 2408 49m07s rare-0*3,diamond*2,pearl*10,last-entry=280 ----------- ------- ----- ----- 6 56 6164 rare-0*5,rare-1*4,rare-2*5,diamond*3,pearl*22

by **gsf** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:13 am

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m_b_metcalf wrote:
JPF wrote:surprising that Mauricio and g.r.emlin have not recognized this pattern already played 3 years ago!
See here

True, mauricio is being a little mischievous. Nevertheless, it'll be interesting to see how modern, state-of-the-art programs deal with your classic pattern.

g.r.emlin has the record of patterns in the results thread (the games g.r.emlin refereed)
and 31 older non-ER/EP/ED games from the 1.0 thread (not refereed by g.r.emlin)
the Mauricio game is not in that list (the older ones were added manually)

here is the pre-g.r.emlin list -- let me know if I missed or typo'd any entries

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Code: Select all: #!sudoku -c2" key puzzle rating clues symmetry hits date submitter game" ........X..X..X....X..X.XX.........X..X..X....X..X.XX..X..X.....X..X....X..X..... 100000002030405060000070000050000030008000600020000050000010000040206080700000004 3.4/1.2/1.2 20 f 2 2007-02-26+05:16:00-0000 JPF ........X..X..X....X..X......X.X..X..X...XX..X..X.......X.X.X...X...X.X.X..X..... 100002003040000050006100400300000700000040000008000009007005600050000070900200001 9.1/1.2/1.2 21 r 4 2007-03-07+20:09:00-0000 JPF ........X..X..X.X..X..X.X..........X..X..X.X..X..X.X....X..X.X..X..X.X..X..X..... 000100000020003040004050006600000700007080001090005030000400000060009050001060008 9.2/1.2/1.2 22 d 61 2007-04-20+13:07:00-0000 Eioru ..............X..X...XX.XX...............X..X.XX..X..X.XX.......XX..X..XX...X..X. 001230400000000050060000070504300000070000000208100000050000090000000030009480100 7.1/1.2/1.2 21 h 2 2007-05-01+16:26:00-0000 m_b_metcalf ........X.....X.X.....X.X.....X....X..X..X....X..X..X...X.X..X..X....X..X..X....X 001002003020010040000500600000000001500000070060000800007000004010800020800060000 1.5/1.2/1.2 20 a 1 2007-05-17+17:29:00-0000 JPF .....X..X....X..X...X...X.......X..X.X.....X.X..X.......X...X...X..X..X.X..X..... 100020003000400050006000100010007000300000006000600020002000700050001000800030000 2.0/1.2/1.2 19 d 1 2007-05-27+06:15:00-0000 Mauricio .......XX..X..X....X..X...........XX..X..X....X..X...........XXX..X..X..X..X..X.. 100000002000103000004000500060010050000406000070050080001000400000307000900000006 2.0/1.2/1.2 20 f 1 2007-06-27+13:50:00-0000 JPF ..............X..X..X....X...X.X.....X...X..X.X.X....X..XX...X..X.X...X.X....X... 000000009058000040700100300014005000000000000000300290009004007030000810200000000 6.2/1.2/1.2 20 p 3 2007-07-25+23:04:00-0000 ravel .......XX.......XX..X..X.....X..X....X..X....X..X..X....X..X....X..X....X..X..X.. 003000700040000010500020006000204000009000800000607000200060005060000090007000100 1.5/1.2/1.2 20 f 2 2007-08-14+08:52:00-0000 TTHsieh ..............X..XXXX..X..X....X..X.....X..X.XXX.X..X....X..X.....X..X..XXXX..X.. 000000000001234500002000100030000040060178030080000070400000008800793002700000006 1.2/1.2/1.2 25 v 1 2007-08-20+10:12:00-0000 Mauricio ........X......XX...X..X.....X..X.....X..X.....X..XXXX.X..X.....X..X....X..X....X 001234500006000200007000400050000060800070009040000020004000800000901000000050000 1.5/1.2/1.2 21 v 1 2007-08-25+08:48:00-0000 JPF ...........X..X.XX.XX.XXX.............X..X.XX.XX.XXX....X..X....X..X.....X..X.... 000000000004102500067030410090000070006000200030000050071020830002508100000000000 1.5/1.5/1.5 24 f 15 2007-09-01+06:56:00-0000 TTHsieh ........X..X..X....XX.XX..X........X..X..X....XX.XX..X......XX.......XX.X.XX.X... 003000700000030000809010406000601000095000870000507000208040103000060000004000500 1.5/1.2/1.2 24 f 1 2007-09-09+11:33:00-0000 TTHsieh ........X.....X.XX....XX.........X....X...XX..XX.........XX.X...X..X....XX......X 003450000000100000409000000910002000600000005000700043000000206000007000000049800 1.5/1.2/1.2 20 da 1 2007-09-15+12:40:00-0000 TTHsieh ........X..X..X..X.X..X.XX.........X..X..X..X.X..X.XX...X..X..X..X..X..XXX.XX.XX. 001203400000050000200060005400070006015604780800010003100040009000090000008705600 1.5/1.2/1.2 28 f 1 2007-09-21+11:36:00-0000 TTHsieh ..............X..X.XX.X..X...............X..X.XX.X..X..XX......XXX..X..XXXX..X..X 010000020300104005000000000060741080000905000040682010000000000700509002080000060 1.5/1.0/1.0 24 f 1 2007-09-28+07:30:00-0000 TTHsieh ...........X..X..X..X.XX.XX...........X..X..X..X.XX.XX....XX.XXXX.......XX....... 000000000001020300045030160000705000086000450000908000053070610004090200000000000 1.5/1.2/1.2 24 f 3 2007-10-05+21:43:00-0000 TTHsieh ..............X.XX.XX..X..X...........X...X.X..X.XX..X....X.....X........XX.XX..X 000000000000012300045030600020000000037080160000000030001070420008950000000000000 1.5/1.5/1.5 21 r 1 2007-10-16+06:57:00-0000 JPF .......XX.......XX..X..XX....X..X.....X..X...XX.XX.X....X..X.....X..X...XX.XX.X.. 001000200003000400450030016000704000006050100000801000810090054005000300004000700 1.5/1.2/1.2 25 f 1 2007-10-20+08:05:00-0000 TTHsieh ..............X..XXXX.XX.XX..............X..XXXX.XX.XX.....X..X.XX..X..X.XX..X..X 000000000012345670080000090060708020070000050050201040020000060047162530000000000 1.5/1.2/1.2 28 f 1 2007-10-26+08:27:00-0000 TTHsieh ........X..X..X....XX.XXXX.........X..X..X....XX.XXXX...X..X.....X..X...X..X..... 000010000001000200023405160004000300300000007002000600076302810008000400000090000 1.5/1.2/1.2 24 f 1 2007-11-01+11:45:00-0000 TTHsieh .......XX..X..X....X..X.X.........XX..X..X....X..X.X...X..X...XX..X.....X..X..X.. 700000006010020030000605000005000200040300010003090700000807000090010020600000007 1.5/1.2/1.2 22 a 41 2007-11-04+18:46:00-0000 wintder ........X..X..X.X..X..X.X..........X..X..X.X..X..X.X.....X..XX.X..X.....X..X..... 010000020003000400000405000006070800050030010400000006060000030009000200000652000 1.5/1.2/1.2 21 v 3 2007-11-06+17:46:00-0000 JPF .......XX.......XX..X..XX....X..XX...X..X....X..X.......X..XX...X..X....X..X..... 600000008010090030005000600000602000030010060000503000003000500070080010400000007 1.5/1.2/1.2 21 f 3 2007-11-13+10:10:00-0000 m_b_metcalf ........X.....X.X.XXX...X.......X.X.....X....XXXX.......XX..X...X.X..X..X..X..X.. 100000000020345000006000400050100070040080020080006090007000300000217080000000001 2.3/1.2/1.2 23 da 9 2007-11-17+13:05:00-0000 JPF .......XX......X.X......XXX..X..X....X.XX....XX..X......X..X...X..XX....XX.X..... 102000300030000020400000506000015000000789000000420000607000009050000010009000208 2.3/2.0/2.0 23 da 1 2007-11-21+11:27:00-0000 TTHsieh ..........XX.XX.XX.XX.XX.XX.......XX..X..X...X..X...XX.......XX..X..X...X..X...XX 010000020200103004000205000023401670000000000065702310000508000800904003090000060 1.5/1.2/1.2 28 f 0 2007-11-25+12:20:00-0000 TTHsieh ........X.....XXX...X...XX.....X......X..X.X.XX..X......X..XX...X........X.XX.... 100200003024000050000000060000107008000020000800503000040000000060000420300008001 2.0/1.2/1.2 21 r 1 2007-11-30+09:15:00-0000 TTHsieh ......XXX.....X..X..X.....X..X..X.X..X..X....X..X.......X..XX...X..X....X..X..... 100000002020100030004000500030060000000725000000040010006000400080003090200000006 1.5/1.2/1.2 21 da 4 2007-12-03+09:25:00-0000 TTHsieh ........X.....X.....X.............X...XXXX.X.XXX.X..........X...X.XXX...XXX..XX.. 000600000574100030200000185000000040000050000010000000639000002080009576000004000 2.0/1.2/1.2 23 p 0 2007-12-05+10:18:00-0000 JPF .....X..X....X..X....X.XXX...X....X..X..XX..XX.XX....X..X..X....XX.X.X..X...X..XX 020890400070002083400030000060000009803000701200000040000050004580100060004086010 6.6/1.2/1.2 28 r 6 2007-12-09+21:59:42-0000 g.r.emlin

by **Pat** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:59 am

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gsf wrote:
g.r.emlin has---31 older games from the 1.0 thread

(the older ones were added manually)

let me know if I missed or typo'd any entries

looking at the first entry in your list

05

JPF

that's already the 3rd game
-- so you missed the first 2 games (page 1),
including game 2 (pattern now being re-used)

by **gsf** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:20 pm

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Pat wrote:
gsf wrote:
g.r.emlin has---31 older games from the 1.0 thread

(the older ones were added manually)

let me know if I missed or typo'd any entries

looking at the first entry in your list

........X..X..X....X..X.XX.........X..X..X....X..X.XX..X..X.....X..X....X..X..... 100000002030405060000070000050000030008000600020000050000010000040206080700000004 3.4/1.2/1.2 20 f 2 2007-02-26+05:16:00-0000 JPF {time-stamp off by 4 hours}

that's already the 3rd game
-- so you missed the first 2 games (page 1),
including game 2 (pattern now being re-used)

the first one from the 1.0 thread was not played until later -- don't know why
so its later in the list I posted (line 31) with date 2007-12-05+10:18:00-0000
so the second deal on the first page (effectively the first played game) was missing
and that's the one mauricio slipped in

re: timestamps off -- was that when the forum clock was skewed?

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