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[g.r.emlin]

::: rarity :::

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2010-06-22+10:13:00-0000 5.2/3.8/3.0 m_b_metcalf rare ED not seen before


[gsf]

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4 . . . . . . . .
. . 3 7 . . 5 . .
. 1 . . 9 . . 6 .
. 9 . 6 . 8 . . .
. . 2 . 7 . 3 . .
. . . 1 . . . 7 .
. 6 . . 8 . . 1 .
. . 5 . . 7 4 . .
. . . . . . . . 8  ED=5.7/3.4/3.4

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0109 idle 2010-06-23+11:01:45-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2010-06-23+14:00:00-0000 :::

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game 0109 2010-06-17+20:00:00-0000 duration 4d17h dealer tarek pages 535-548 (open) 5 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 gsf            4.6/2.5/2.5 joel64         7.5/7.5/7.2 gsf            9.3/9.3/9.3 gsf
    1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf            4.7/2.5/2.5 gsf            7.6/7.6/7.2 gsf            9.4/9.4/9.3 gsf
    1.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    5.0/5.0/3.4 joel64         7.7/7.7/6.7 joel64         9.5/9.5/9.3 gsf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 joel64         5.2/3.8/3.0 m_b_metcalf    7.8/7.8/7.8 m_b_metcalf    9.6/9.6/9.3 gsf
    2.3/2.0/2.0 joel64         5.6/4.2/3.4 gsf            7.9/7.9/6.7 joel64         9.7/9.7/9.4 gsf
    2.5/2.5/2.5 gsf            5.7/3.4/3.4 gsf            8.0/7.2/3.4 joel64         9.8/9.8/9.5 gsf
    2.6/2.6/2.6 joel64         6.2/3.0/3.0 joel64         8.2/8.2/7.2 gsf            9.9/9.9/9.8 joel64
    2.8/2.8/2.8 joel64         6.5/1.2/1.2 joel64         8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf          10.0/10.0/9.5 m_b_metcalf
    3.0/3.0/3.0 gsf            6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64         8.4/8.4/8.4 m_b_metcalf  10.1/10.1/9.4 gsf
    3.2/3.0/3.0 m_b_metcalf    6.7/6.7/6.7 joel64         8.5/8.5/8.5 gsf         10.2/10.2/10.0 JPF
    3.4/3.4/3.4 joel64         6.8/6.7/3.4 joel64         8.6/8.6/7.2 joel64       10.3/10.3/9.8 gsf
    3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf            6.9/6.7/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.7/8.7/7.2 m_b_metcalf  10.4/10.4/9.8 gsf
    3.8/3.8/3.8 gsf            7.0/7.0/3.4 joel64         8.8/8.8/8.7 joel64      10.5/10.5/10.3 gsf
    4.0/4.0/4.0 m_b_metcalf    7.1/7.1/7.1 gsf            8.9/8.9/8.9 m_b_metcalf  10.6/10.6/3.4 JPF
    4.2/4.2/3.4 joel64         7.2/7.2/7.2 m_b_metcalf    9.0/9.0/9.0 gsf           10.8/1.2/1.2 gsf
    4.4/3.8/3.0 joel64         7.3/7.3/7.2 joel64         9.1/9.1/9.1 m_b_metcalf
    4.5/4.5/3.0 joel64         7.4/7.4/7.2 gsf            9.2/9.2/9.2 gsf
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    open ratings : 4.8 4.9 5.1 5.4 5.8-6.1 8.1 10.7 10.9-11.4

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
           tarek        0      0         0  dealer
             JPF        2    558     4h46m  rare-0,rare-2,pearl*2
     m_b_metcalf       12   1849    36m04s  rare-0*10,rare-1,rare-2,diamond*6,pearl*2
          joel64       23   3110    52m28s  rare-0*9,rare-1*7,diamond*5,pearl*10
             gsf       29   5999    56m18s  rare-0*3,rare-1*6,rare-2*7,diamond*10,pearl*13,highest-rating=758,last-entry=512,dup-rating
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               5       66  11516            rare-0*23,rare-1*14,rare-2*9,diamond*21,pearl*27


[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0109 closed (idle for 1d01h) -- preliminary results :::

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game 0109 2010-06-17+20:00:00-0000 duration 4d17h dealer tarek pages 535-548 (final) 5 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 gsf            4.6/2.5/2.5 joel64         7.5/7.5/7.2 gsf            9.3/9.3/9.3 gsf
    1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf            4.7/2.5/2.5 gsf            7.6/7.6/7.2 gsf            9.4/9.4/9.3 gsf
    1.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    5.0/5.0/3.4 joel64         7.7/7.7/6.7 joel64         9.5/9.5/9.3 gsf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 joel64         5.2/3.8/3.0 m_b_metcalf    7.8/7.8/7.8 m_b_metcalf    9.6/9.6/9.3 gsf
    2.3/2.0/2.0 joel64         5.6/4.2/3.4 gsf            7.9/7.9/6.7 joel64         9.7/9.7/9.4 gsf
    2.5/2.5/2.5 gsf            5.7/3.4/3.4 gsf            8.0/7.2/3.4 joel64         9.8/9.8/9.5 gsf
    2.6/2.6/2.6 joel64         6.2/3.0/3.0 joel64         8.2/8.2/7.2 gsf            9.9/9.9/9.8 joel64
    2.8/2.8/2.8 joel64         6.5/1.2/1.2 joel64         8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf          10.0/10.0/9.5 m_b_metcalf
    3.0/3.0/3.0 gsf            6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64         8.4/8.4/8.4 m_b_metcalf  10.1/10.1/9.4 gsf
    3.2/3.0/3.0 m_b_metcalf    6.7/6.7/6.7 joel64         8.5/8.5/8.5 gsf         10.2/10.2/10.0 JPF
    3.4/3.4/3.4 joel64         6.8/6.7/3.4 joel64         8.6/8.6/7.2 joel64       10.3/10.3/9.8 gsf
    3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf            6.9/6.7/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.7/8.7/7.2 m_b_metcalf  10.4/10.4/9.8 gsf
    3.8/3.8/3.8 gsf            7.0/7.0/3.4 joel64         8.8/8.8/8.7 joel64      10.5/10.5/10.3 gsf
    4.0/4.0/4.0 m_b_metcalf    7.1/7.1/7.1 gsf            8.9/8.9/8.9 m_b_metcalf  10.6/10.6/3.4 JPF
    4.2/4.2/3.4 joel64         7.2/7.2/7.2 m_b_metcalf    9.0/9.0/9.0 gsf           10.8/1.2/1.2 gsf
    4.4/3.8/3.0 joel64         7.3/7.3/7.2 joel64         9.1/9.1/9.1 m_b_metcalf
    4.5/4.5/3.0 joel64         7.4/7.4/7.2 gsf            9.2/9.2/9.2 gsf
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    open ratings : 4.8 4.9 5.1 5.4 5.8-6.1 8.1 10.7 10.9-11.4

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
           tarek        0      0         0  dealer
             JPF        2    558     4h46m  rare-0,rare-2,pearl*2
     m_b_metcalf       12   1849    36m04s  rare-0*10,rare-1,rare-2,diamond*6,pearl*2
          joel64       23   3110    52m28s  rare-0*9,rare-1*7,diamond*5,pearl*10
             gsf       29   5999    56m18s  rare-0*3,rare-1*6,rare-2*7,diamond*10,pearl*13,highest-rating=758,last-entry=512,dup-rating
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               5       66  11516            rare-0*23,rare-1*14,rare-2*9,diamond*21,pearl*27


[gsf]

::: more :::

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200000000009700200010020060050608000003070900000100020060080010005009300000000004 1.7/1.5/1.5
800000000005600900010020040070906000006070300000300020050040080009003200000000005 4.6/3.4/2.6
900000000004600900080050010010906000006070400000300080030080050009002700000000001 4.8/1.2/1.2
800000000003900200040020030010609000006070100000300020070040010009007600000000008 5.8/1.2/1.2
400000000009200300010050060070608000008070400000100090050080010004002500000000009 5.9/1.2/1.2
800000000004600900070010050040906000006070300000300020050020040009003200000000007 6.5/3.4/2.6
200000000008600200050010040040906000006070300000300020070040050009003800000000001 7.0/7.0/3.8
800000000004500300010040090090602000003070400000300060050090080006003700000000009 8.1/1.2/1.2
800000000009400100020050090050901000003060900000700080030020050004006700000000003 8.6/8.6/7.3


[joel64]

::: more :::

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100000000002300400040010020050106000006050300000700080020080030003009700000000009  ED=4.6/3.4/2.6 
100000000002300400050020060070602000004070800000500020030060050001003900000000008  ED=6.5/2.5/2.5 
100000000002300400040050060060701000007020300000500040070080090003009100000000002  ED=8.0/7.3/6.7


[gsf]

::: comment :::
nice pattern tarek
but I'm suspicious about how well I did this game
I did get lucky early on
JPF, were you holding back?

also, g.r.emlin will be running solo for the first 2 weeks in July
should be ok if the daemon machine stays up

[m_b_metcalf]

::: comment :::
Glenn,
Before you leave for a well-deserved break, could you please check post #1? I think various edits, especially those relating to states and to scoring, have got lost.

Thanks,

Mike Metcalf

[JPF]

::: comment :::

JPF, were you holding back?

Well, I'm bit busy here and my laptop can work only during the night on the Patterns Game.

In addition, rating 10+ puzzles takes years.
I finally got all the ratings from 8.9/.8.9/8.9 to 10.6/10.6/3.4 but I was late.

Is there a way to avoid being stuck at the end of the game with a bunch of more-puzzles in the cache of more than one player?

JPF

[tarek]

::: comment :::

nice pattern tarek

Thanks, some of the patterns I've posted have been worked out in reverse. A symmetric Hard Diamond to start with followed by generating a singles only version to submit to g.r.emlin.

tarek

[gsf]

::: comment :::

Before you leave for a well-deserved break, could you please check post #1? I think various edits, especially those relating to states and to scoring, have got lost.

I forgot about updating the first post
its generated from a .mm (nroff macro package) file, so I had the latest to work from
should be ok now

[gsf]

::: comment :::

Is there a way to avoid being stuck at the end of the game with a bunch of more-puzzles in the cache of more than one player?

interesting
joel64 had only self-trumps and I had none
don't know what can be done without skewing the strategy
e.g., one of the players could have held back plays
thinking the another player might just trump it

[joel64]

::: comment :::

a problem remains with the isomorphous puzzles.
Thus in this game, I did not propose result 10.7 of an isomorphous puzzle which gives 10.8

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600000000002300400050020010010708000004030700000400090060070050007003200000000009  ED=10.8/1.2/1.2
100000000002300400050020060060708000004030700000400090010070050007003200000000009  ED=10.7/1.2/1.2


[gsf]

::: comment :::

a problem remains with the isomorphous puzzles.
Thus in this game, I did not propose result 10.7 of an isomorphous puzzle which gives 10.8

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600000000002300400050020010010708000004030700000400090060070050007003200000000009  ED=10.8/1.2/1.2
100000000002300400050020060060708000004030700000400090010070050007003200000000009  ED=10.7/1.2/1.2


we need to revisit SE (sudoku explainer) at some point
I'd like to see a C rewrite from the ground up, for efficiency, portability, and extensibility
the java code is fairly modular, so it would be possible to divide and conquer
given the right perspective we should be able to find the places where it trips up on automorphic permutations
I also believe we can squeeze a lot of cycles out of rating the harder puzzles in the process

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0110 start LIGHTNING at 2010-06-26+23:00:00-0000 :::

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dealer status

candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin)

   1 tarek            12 JPF              87 g.r.emlin

past patterns

   1 claudiarabia      1 pseudocoup        3 g.r.emlin        13 Pat              19 TTHsieh
   1 draco             1 ravel             9 gsf              15 coloin           21 JPF
   1 Eioru             1 wintder          12 m_b_metcalf      19 Mauricio         23 tarek