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by **g.r.emlin** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:28 pm

::: game 0101 status 2010-02-11+13:28:39-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0101 2010-02-07+16:00:00-0000 duration 2d18h dealer tarek pages 441-454 (open) 7 players ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 4.6/2.0/2.0 JPF 7.3/7.3/4.0 champagne 9.0/9.0/8.3 champagne 1.5/1.2/1.2 joel64 4.7/2.0/2.0 champagne 7.4/7.4/3.4 champagne 9.1/9.1/7.2 champagne 1.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 5.0/1.2/1.2 gsf 7.5/7.2/2.6 champagne 9.2/9.2/7.1 m_b_metcalf 2.0/2.0/2.0 JPF 5.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 7.6/7.6/2.6 joel64 9.3/9.3/6.7 m_b_metcalf 2.3/2.0/2.0 champagne 5.6/4.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf 7.7/7.3/2.6 champagne 9.4/9.4/9.0 champagne 2.5/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf 5.7/2.0/2.0 JPF 7.8/7.8/3.4 m_b_metcalf 9.5/9.5/9.2 champagne 2.6/2.0/2.0 JPF 5.8/1.2/1.2 Pat 7.9/7.2/3.4 JPF 9.6/9.6/4.0 m_b_metcalf 2.8/2.0/2.0 JPF 5.9/1.2/1.2 gsf 8.0/7.1/2.6 joel64 9.7/9.7/4.0 champagne 3.0/2.0/2.0 JPF 6.2/2.0/2.0 champagne 8.1/1.2/1.2 JPF 9.8/9.8/9.1 JPF 3.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 6.5/1.2/1.2 joel64 8.2/8.2/4.0 gsf 9.9/9.9/6.7 champagne 3.4/3.4/3.4 gsf 6.6/6.6/3.4 champagne 8.3/8.3/6.7 champagne 10.0/10.0/2.6 champagne 3.6/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf 6.7/6.6/3.4 champagne 8.4/8.4/6.7 m_b_metcalf 10.1/10.1/3.4 gsf 3.8/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 6.8/6.6/3.4 m_b_metcalf 8.5/8.5/3.4 champagne 10.2/9.5/2.6 gsf 4.0/4.0/4.0 JPF 6.9/4.0/2.6 JPF 8.6/8.6/3.4 champagne 10.3/10.3/2.6 JPF 4.2/4.0/2.6 champagne 7.0/2.0/2.0 JPF 8.7/8.7/3.4 JPF 10.4/10.4/9.1 gsf 4.4/4.0/2.6 champagne 7.1/7.1/4.0 gsf 8.8/8.8/7.1 champagne 10.5/10.5/2.6 JPF 4.5/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf 7.2/7.2/6.7 gsf 8.9/8.9/6.7 m_b_metcalf 10.6/10.6/9.8 JPF ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 4.8 4.9 5.1 5.4 6.0 6.1 10.7-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- tarek 0 0 0 dealer Pat 1 125 10m59s joel64 4 419 20m44s rare-0*2,rare-2*2,pearl gsf 9 1789 32m17s rare-0*13,rare-1*3,rare-2,diamond,pearl*5 m_b_metcalf 16 2106 17m39s rare-0*7,rare-1*2,rare-2*5,pearl*6 JPF 16 3063 37m51s rare-2*3,diamond,pearl*5,highest-rating=236,last-entry=498,dup-puzzle champagne 22 3194 35m57s rare-0*3,rare-1*5,rare-2,pearl*14,premature-entry,lower-pearl ----------- ------- ----- ----- 7 68 10696 rare-0*25,rare-1*10,rare-2*12,diamond*2,pearl*31

by **gsf** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:01 pm

Code: Select all: . . . . . 1 . . 4 . . 5 . 6 . 8 . . 1 . . 2 . . . . . . . 8 . . . . 9 . . 7 . . 1 . . 2 . . 3 . . . . 5 . . . . . . . 9 . . 3 . . 6 . 8 . 9 . . 2 . . 1 . . . . . ED=6.9/6.6/2.6

by **JPF** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:03 pm

Code: Select all: . . . | . . 1 | . . 2 . . 3 | . 4 . | 5 . . 6 . . | 2 . . | . . . -------+-------+------- . . 7 | . . . | . 1 . . 8 . | . 3 . | . 9 . . 4 . | . . . | 3 . . -------+-------+------- . . . | . . 6 | . . 3 . . 8 | . 7 . | 4 . . 1 . . | 9 . . | . . . ED=4.5/4.0/2.6

JPF

by **champagne** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:27 pm

:::comment:::

.....9..8
..7.6.5..
4..3.....
..1....5.
.5..2..1.
.2....6..
.....8..9
..2.1.7..
3..4..... ED=10.6/10.6/9.8

An interesting puzzle that can not be played as it has the same rating as the best from jpf.

Seen by my solver, it is the only puzzle I found in that game requiring the last level of tagging.

I would surely have rated it as tougher than the first 10.6 10.6 9.8

champagne

by **tarek** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:46 pm

::: comment :::

::: confession :::

The seed pattern for this game was actually that same puzzle which is in the pearly6000 .... well done JPF for finding it.

tarek

by **champagne** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:32 pm

:::comment:::

tarek wrote:::: comment :::

::: confession :::

The seed pattern for this game was actually that same puzzle which is in the pearly6000 .... well done JPF for finding it.

tarek

I did not catch exactly which one was your seed.

here are the two puzzles (the first one from JPF)

.....1..2..3.4.5..6..7.......5....8..4..3..9..9....4.......2..7..9.8.3..1..6.....
.....9..8..7.6.5..4..3.......1....5..5..2..1..2....6.......8..9..2.1.7..3..4.....

and the two maxtext forms. (I am using a maxtext canonical equivalence)

98.........79..6......5..4.8..6..7...93...........2..1.6.3..8......4..2......1..5
98.........79..6......5..4.8..6..3...93...........2..1.3.7..8......4..5......1..2

The two puzzles are relatively close, but, as i wrote, the second one is much tougher to solve using my set of rules.

BTW, this pattern looked very promissing but was finally relatively poor in hard puzzles.

champagne

by **g.r.emlin** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:04 pm

::: game 0101 idle 2010-02-12+12:04:42-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2010-02-12+15:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0101 2010-02-07+16:00:00-0000 duration 3d22h dealer tarek pages 441-455 (open) 7 players ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 4.6/2.0/2.0 JPF 7.3/7.3/4.0 champagne 9.0/9.0/8.3 champagne 1.5/1.2/1.2 joel64 4.7/2.0/2.0 champagne 7.4/7.4/3.4 champagne 9.1/9.1/7.2 champagne 1.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 5.0/1.2/1.2 gsf 7.5/7.2/2.6 champagne 9.2/9.2/7.1 m_b_metcalf 2.0/2.0/2.0 JPF 5.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 7.6/7.6/2.6 joel64 9.3/9.3/6.7 m_b_metcalf 2.3/2.0/2.0 champagne 5.6/4.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf 7.7/7.3/2.6 champagne 9.4/9.4/9.0 champagne 2.5/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf 5.7/2.0/2.0 JPF 7.8/7.8/3.4 m_b_metcalf 9.5/9.5/9.2 champagne 2.6/2.0/2.0 JPF 5.8/1.2/1.2 Pat 7.9/7.2/3.4 JPF 9.6/9.6/4.0 m_b_metcalf 2.8/2.0/2.0 JPF 5.9/1.2/1.2 gsf 8.0/7.1/2.6 joel64 9.7/9.7/4.0 champagne 3.0/2.0/2.0 JPF 6.2/2.0/2.0 champagne 8.1/1.2/1.2 JPF 9.8/9.8/9.1 JPF 3.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 6.5/1.2/1.2 joel64 8.2/8.2/4.0 gsf 9.9/9.9/6.7 champagne 3.4/3.4/3.4 gsf 6.6/6.6/3.4 champagne 8.3/8.3/6.7 champagne 10.0/10.0/2.6 champagne 3.6/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf 6.7/6.6/3.4 champagne 8.4/8.4/6.7 m_b_metcalf 10.1/10.1/3.4 gsf 3.8/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 6.8/6.6/3.4 m_b_metcalf 8.5/8.5/3.4 champagne 10.2/9.5/2.6 gsf 4.0/4.0/4.0 JPF 6.9/6.6/2.6 gsf 8.6/8.6/3.4 champagne 10.3/10.3/2.6 JPF 4.2/4.0/2.6 champagne 7.0/2.0/2.0 JPF 8.7/8.7/3.4 JPF 10.4/10.4/9.1 gsf 4.4/4.0/2.6 champagne 7.1/7.1/4.0 gsf 8.8/8.8/7.1 champagne 10.5/10.5/2.6 JPF 4.5/4.0/2.6 JPF 7.2/7.2/6.7 gsf 8.9/8.9/6.7 m_b_metcalf 10.6/10.6/9.8 JPF ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 4.8 4.9 5.1 5.4 6.0 6.1 10.7-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- tarek 0 0 0 dealer Pat 1 125 10m59s joel64 4 419 20m44s rare-0*2,rare-2*2,pearl gsf 10 1955 32m17s rare-0*13,rare-1*3,rare-2,diamond,pearl*5 m_b_metcalf 15 2010 17m39s rare-0*7,rare-1*2,rare-2*5,pearl*6 JPF 16 3100 36m25s rare-2*3,diamond,pearl*5,highest-rating=236,last-entry=503,dup-puzzle champagne 22 3194 35m57s rare-0*3,rare-1*5,rare-2,pearl*14,premature-entry,lower-pearl ----------- ------- ----- ----- 7 68 10803 rare-0*25,rare-1*10,rare-2*12,diamond*2,pearl*31

by **g.r.emlin** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:00 pm

::: game 0101 closed (idle for 1d00h) -- preliminary results :::

Code: Select all: game 0101 2010-02-07+16:00:00-0000 duration 3d22h dealer tarek pages 441-455 (final) 7 players ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 4.6/2.0/2.0 JPF 7.3/7.3/4.0 champagne 9.0/9.0/8.3 champagne 1.5/1.2/1.2 joel64 4.7/2.0/2.0 champagne 7.4/7.4/3.4 champagne 9.1/9.1/7.2 champagne 1.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 5.0/1.2/1.2 gsf 7.5/7.2/2.6 champagne 9.2/9.2/7.1 m_b_metcalf 2.0/2.0/2.0 JPF 5.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 7.6/7.6/2.6 joel64 9.3/9.3/6.7 m_b_metcalf 2.3/2.0/2.0 champagne 5.6/4.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf 7.7/7.3/2.6 champagne 9.4/9.4/9.0 champagne 2.5/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf 5.7/2.0/2.0 JPF 7.8/7.8/3.4 m_b_metcalf 9.5/9.5/9.2 champagne 2.6/2.0/2.0 JPF 5.8/1.2/1.2 Pat 7.9/7.2/3.4 JPF 9.6/9.6/4.0 m_b_metcalf 2.8/2.0/2.0 JPF 5.9/1.2/1.2 gsf 8.0/7.1/2.6 joel64 9.7/9.7/4.0 champagne 3.0/2.0/2.0 JPF 6.2/2.0/2.0 champagne 8.1/1.2/1.2 JPF 9.8/9.8/9.1 JPF 3.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 6.5/1.2/1.2 joel64 8.2/8.2/4.0 gsf 9.9/9.9/6.7 champagne 3.4/3.4/3.4 gsf 6.6/6.6/3.4 champagne 8.3/8.3/6.7 champagne 10.0/10.0/2.6 champagne 3.6/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf 6.7/6.6/3.4 champagne 8.4/8.4/6.7 m_b_metcalf 10.1/10.1/3.4 gsf 3.8/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 6.8/6.6/3.4 m_b_metcalf 8.5/8.5/3.4 champagne 10.2/9.5/2.6 gsf 4.0/4.0/4.0 JPF 6.9/6.6/2.6 gsf 8.6/8.6/3.4 champagne 10.3/10.3/2.6 JPF 4.2/4.0/2.6 champagne 7.0/2.0/2.0 JPF 8.7/8.7/3.4 JPF 10.4/10.4/9.1 gsf 4.4/4.0/2.6 champagne 7.1/7.1/4.0 gsf 8.8/8.8/7.1 champagne 10.5/10.5/2.6 JPF 4.5/4.0/2.6 JPF 7.2/7.2/6.7 gsf 8.9/8.9/6.7 m_b_metcalf 10.6/10.6/9.8 JPF ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 4.8 4.9 5.1 5.4 6.0 6.1 10.7-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- tarek 0 0 0 dealer Pat 1 125 10m59s joel64 4 419 20m44s rare-0*2,rare-2*2,pearl gsf 10 1955 32m17s rare-0*13,rare-1*3,rare-2,diamond,pearl*5 m_b_metcalf 15 2010 17m39s rare-0*7,rare-1*2,rare-2*5,pearl*6 JPF 16 3100 36m25s rare-2*3,diamond,pearl*5,highest-rating=236,last-entry=503,dup-puzzle champagne 22 3194 35m57s rare-0*3,rare-1*5,rare-2,pearl*14,premature-entry,lower-pearl ----------- ------- ----- ----- 7 68 10803 rare-0*25,rare-1*10,rare-2*12,diamond*2,pearl*31

by **champagne** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:43 pm

:::more:::

Code: Select all: .....9..8..7.6.5..4..3.......6....1..1..5..7..3....4.......2..6..9.7.1..8..4..... 10.0/10.0/3.4

by **tarek** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:48 pm

:::comment:::

champagne wrote::::comment:::
tarek wrote:::: comment :::

::: confession :::

The seed pattern for this game was actually that same puzzle which is in the pearly6000 .... well done JPF for finding it.

tarek

I did not catch exactly which one was your seed.

This is the puzzle from the Pearly6000:

.....4..5..2.8.9..3..7.......6....9..9..1..6..1....8.......5..4..1.6.2..7..3.....,,10.6,10.6,9.8,pearly6000-3259

It is isomorphic to your puzzle .... You & JPF have found a needle in a haystack, Bravo.

tarek

by **champagne** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:19 am

:::comment:::

tarek wrote:You & JPF have found a needle in a haystack, Bravo.

tarek

I think we alltogether have covered more than 50% of the possibilities in that game.

If this is true, it's not really a surprise that your puzzle has been found (may-be other players found it as well)

I guess you got it following quite a different strategy. I would be interested in learning which one

champagne

by **Pat** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:30 pm

champagne wrote:this pattern looked very promissing
but was finally relatively poor in hard puzzles

almost-

diagonal

by **g.r.emlin** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:18 am

::: game 0102 start LIGHTNING at 2010-02-16+00:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: dealer status candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin) 1 Mauricio 3 tarek 14 JPF 87 g.r.emlin past patterns 1 claudiarabia 1 pseudocoup 3 g.r.emlin 12 Pat 19 JPF 1 draco 1 ravel 9 gsf 15 coloin 19 TTHsieh 1 Eioru 1 wintder 10 m_b_metcalf 18 Mauricio 21 tarek

by **g.r.emlin** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:00 am

::: game 0102 open LIGHTNING 2010-02-16+00:00:20-0000 dealer JPF 23 clues diagonal and antidiagonal symmetry :::

Code: Select all: 1 . 2 . . . 3 . . . . . . . 4 . 5 . 5 . . . 2 . . . 6 . . . 6 . . . 1 . . . 5 . 7 . 2 . . . 4 . . . 8 . . . 4 . . . 1 . . . 9 . 3 . 7 . . . . . . . 8 . . . 4 . 1 ED=1.5/1.2/1.2

by **joel64** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:23 am

Code: Select all: 1 . 2 . . . 3 . . . . . . . 9 . 1 . 7 . . . 4 . . . 8 . . . 8 . . . 3 . . . 4 . 5 . 2 . . . 3 . . . 2 . . . 8 . . . 9 . . . 1 . 5 . 7 . . . . . . . 7 . . . 5 . 3 ED=8.5/8.5/3.0

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