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[m_b_metcalf]

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0092 status LIGHTNING 2009-10-15+10:23:42-0000 :::

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game 0092 2009-10-13+20:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 1d14h dealer m_b_metcalf pages 321-330 (open) 4 players 1 resigned
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf    6.9/6.6/2.6 champagne      8.4/8.4/8.3 gsf
    1.5/1.5/1.5 JPF            4.4/4.4/2.6 JPF            7.0/7.0/2.6 JPF            8.5/8.5/8.4 gsf
    1.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    4.5/4.5/2.6 m_b_metcalf    7.1/7.1/7.1 gsf            8.6/8.6/8.2 gsf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 JPF            4.6/3.4/2.6 champagne      7.2/7.2/7.2 champagne      8.7/8.7/4.2 m_b_metcalf
    2.3/2.3/2.3 JPF            4.7/3.0/2.6 JPF            7.3/7.3/7.3 gsf            8.8/8.8/7.8 gsf
    2.5/2.5/2.5 gsf            5.0/2.8/2.6 champagne      7.4/7.4/7.2 m_b_metcalf    8.9/8.9/8.5 gsf
    2.6/2.6/2.6 gsf            5.6/4.2/2.6 champagne      7.5/7.5/2.6 m_b_metcalf    9.0/9.0/8.9 m_b_metcalf
    2.8/2.8/2.8 gsf            5.7/3.4/2.6 champagne      7.6/7.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf    9.1/9.1/8.8 m_b_metcalf
    3.0/3.0/3.0 gsf            5.8/2.0/2.0 gsf            7.7/7.7/2.6 m_b_metcalf    9.2/9.2/9.1 m_b_metcalf
    3.2/2.8/2.6 champagne      6.2/6.2/2.6 JPF            7.8/7.8/2.6 m_b_metcalf    9.3/9.3/8.8 gsf
    3.4/3.4/3.4 gsf            6.5/3.4/2.6 JPF            7.9/7.9/2.6 JPF            9.4/9.4/2.6 m_b_metcalf
    3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf            6.6/6.6/6.6 champagne      8.0/6.6/2.6 champagne
    3.8/3.8/2.6 JPF            6.7/6.7/6.7 m_b_metcalf    8.2/8.2/2.6 m_b_metcalf
    4.0/4.0/3.6 JPF            6.8/6.8/2.6 JPF            8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf
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    open ratings : 4.8 4.9 5.1 5.2 5.4 5.9-6.1 8.1 9.5-11.4

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
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             JPF       12   1115    21m01s  rare-1*4,pearl*7
       champagne        9   1449    12m59s  rare-0*20,rare-1,rare-2,diamond*2,bad-submission*2,se-mismatch,resigned
             gsf       16   1827    33m01s  rare-0*2,rare-1*2,rare-2,diamond*9,pearl*6
     m_b_metcalf       16   2980    29m15s  rare-0*4,rare-2,diamond*2,pearl*12,highest-rating=647,last-entry=320,dealer
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               4       53   7371            rare-0*26,rare-1*7,rare-2*3,diamond*13,pearl*25,resigned


[gsf]

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

[gsf]

::: comment :::

I thought that reducing the count of active players form 4 to 3 would at least change the delay for game closure.

good question for gsf
i'm surprised he hadn't answered when you asked previously (page 321)

reply rate inversely proportional to the size of the todo list

the number of resigned players does not affect the quorum count
so with QUORUM=4 the normal idle time is still in effect

the number of resigned players does affect the closure logic,
but only when (#players-#resigned)<=1
currently we have (4-1)>1

[gsf]

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[JPF]

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JPF

[gsf]

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JPF

[gsf]

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[Pat]

I thought that reducing the count of active players form 4 to 3 would at least change the delay for game closure.

the number of resigned players does not affect the quorum count

thanks, gsf

so the timeout for the present game (which did reach 4 active players)
is just 1d
as i would've guessed --
but very good to have the definite answer

[JPF]

::: comment :::

The current game closes when any of the following occur:

• all but one of the active players (players who have made submissions) have resigned
• no valid submissions have been made for
  
  • < 4 players: (5 days + 2 hours)
  • >= 4 players: (22 hours + 2 hours)

5 days are too long and 22 hours too short.
I suggest :

• < 4 players: (3 days + 2 hours)
• >= 4 players: (2 days + 2 hours) , especially if one maintains the current crazy rarity-based scoring.
  

JPF

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JPF

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[JPF]

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JPF