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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Robbie » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:04 pm

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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:04 pm

champagne wrote:
m_b_metcalf wrote:which, if I'm not mistaken, is an isomorph of coloin's


it is

but (sorry coloin) this is not the puzzle stored in the potential hardest file.
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:44 pm

::: comment :::
Everybody is sleeping, after a furious night
even g.r.emlin !

But the game is not over : there is no played puzzle in the range 4.5 <=> 6.1 !
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby 1to9only » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:00 am

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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Robbie » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:01 am

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Postby g.r.emlin » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:04 am

::: game 0328 status LIGHTNING 2018-10-22+08:04:49-0000 :::
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game 0328 2018-10-19+22:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 2d10h dealer Patrice pages 2594-2599 (open) 5 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    4.4/4.4/4.4 999_Springs    8.3/8.3/8.3 Robbie         9.8/9.8/9.8 1to9only
    1.5/1.5/1.5 Robbie         6.2/6.2/6.2 Robbie         8.4/8.4/8.4 999_Springs    9.9/9.9/9.9 Robbie
    1.7/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    6.6/6.6/6.6 Robbie         8.5/8.5/8.5 Robbie      10.0/10.0/10.0 Robbie
    2.0/2.0/2.0 Robbie         6.7/6.7/6.7 Robbie         8.6/8.6/8.6 Robbie      10.1/10.1/10.1 1to9only
    2.3/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf    7.0/7.0/7.0 999_Springs    8.7/8.7/8.7 Robbie      10.2/10.2/10.2 1to9only
    2.5/2.5/2.5 Robbie         7.1/7.1/7.1 1to9only       8.8/8.8/8.8 999_Springs 10.3/10.3/10.3 Robbie
    2.6/2.5/2.5 999_Springs    7.2/7.2/7.2 Robbie         8.9/8.9/8.9 Robbie      10.4/10.4/10.4 1to9only
    2.8/2.8/2.8 1to9only       7.3/7.3/7.3 1to9only       9.0/9.0/9.0 999_Springs 10.5/10.5/10.5 Robbie
    3.0/3.0/3.0 1to9only       7.4/7.4/7.4 Robbie         9.1/9.1/9.1 1to9only    10.6/10.6/10.6 Robbie
    3.2/3.2/3.2 Robbie         7.5/7.5/7.5 999_Springs    9.2/9.2/9.2 999_Springs 10.7/10.7/10.7 Robbie
    3.4/3.4/3.4 Robbie         7.6/7.6/7.6 Robbie         9.3/9.3/9.3 1to9only    10.8/10.8/10.7 Robbie
    3.6/3.6/3.6 999_Springs    7.8/7.8/7.8 1to9only       9.4/9.4/9.4 Robbie       11.2/11.2/8.8 Robbie
    3.8/3.8/3.8 Robbie         7.9/7.9/7.8 m_b_metcalf    9.5/9.5/9.5 Robbie
    4.0/4.0/4.0 1to9only       8.0/8.0/7.1 Robbie         9.6/9.6/9.6 1to9only
    4.2/4.2/4.2 999_Springs    8.2/8.2/8.2 Robbie         9.7/9.7/9.7 1to9only
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    open ratings : 4.5-5.2 5.4 5.6-6.1 6.5 6.8 6.9 7.7 8.1 10.9-11.1 11.3-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
         Patrice        0      0         0  dealer
     m_b_metcalf        4    289    10m29s  pearl
     999_Springs       10    934    27m31s  diamond*9
        1to9only       14   1535    37m08s  diamond*14
          Robbie       29   4213     2m56s  rare-0,diamond*24,pearl*3,highest-rating=547,last-entry=305
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               5       57   6971            rare-0,diamond*47,pearl*4
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby coloin » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:25 am

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999_Springs wrote:robbie i dare you not to reply to this within three minutes. i double dare you

well .... it did
who was .... or what is Robbie ?
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Postby Pat » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:33 am

Patrice wrote:
the game is not over : there is no played puzzle in the range 4.5 <=> 6.1 !

players tend to quit when there's a clear winner.

    who wants to work hard
    for the glory of top 5.6 or such?

    especially with risk it could get trumped---
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby m_b_metcalf » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:50 am

coloin wrote:who was .... or what is Robbie ?
gsf's bot's daughter :twisted:
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Postby Pat » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:56 am

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Postby 1to9only » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:13 pm

Pat wrote:

likely has upgraded positonics! the (1st submission) 10.7 was played 19 mins after game start, this did not appear in my cache till 2 hours later!! i just need faster processors!!!
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Re: Re:

Postby champagne » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:13 pm

1to9only wrote:
Pat wrote:

likely has upgraded positonics! the (1st submission) 10.7 was played 19 mins after game start, this did not appear in my cache till 2 hours later!! i just need faster processors!!!


don't forget the seed selection factor. In the previous game, I played as usual with my laptop, it seems that at the end, I had more in cache than Robbie, no reason to suspect that she plays with a huge power (what she can do anyway)
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Robbie » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:26 pm

Hello,

19 minutes to play my first puzzle : 10.7 ! and others followed
I've only a laptop with a I5 7200U (4 cores @ 2.5ghz), not a positronic processor !

and thanks to champagne who tries to defend me
don't forget the seed selection factor. In the previous game, I played as usual with my laptop, it seems that at the end, I had more in cache than Robbie, no reason to suspect that she plays with a huge power (what she can do anyway)

To understand, you have to think different ! :shock:

The dealer is Patrice and he said
Hello,
If g.r.emlin chooses my last proposed pattern, it is a pattern that should generate a very high number of high rated puzzles and that should go in the 11.x range.

Have fun !

They are many patterns with 11.x ability and champagne gathered a lot of them in his "potential highest" list.
And if you look at the previous Patrice's patterns, I noticed that they are in the champagne's list (not the dealer puzzle, but puzzles with the same minlexPattern).
So when the game opened, I immediatly looked in the champagne's list for puzzles compatible with the proposed pattern : and yes !
I found more than 150 puzzles that have the same minlex pattern !

So for me the game begins by
- choose some diamonds(highest rated ones) in the list,
- transform them to fit the pattern,
- rate them with serate,
- and play them !

In parallel, I launched a classic generation with skfr rating to get other diamonds and pearls (champagne's list has only 10.3 -skfr mainly- and above).

m_b_metcalf sometimes uses other sources than pure generation to find puzzles ! This gave me this idea.

An I'm not gsf's bot's daughter ! :twisted:
Is it fair ? It's up to you to tell it, but thay are no rule that bans it. :lol:
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:19 am

Robbie wrote:
So for me the game begins by
- choose some diamonds(highest rated ones) in the list,
- transform them to fit the pattern,
- rate them with serate,
- and play them !

Is it fair ? It's up to you to tell it, but no rule that bans it.


Hi Robbie,

Nothing to object on my side. The spirit of the game is "to start from scratch", but how to understand this has a part of personal interpretation.
As when I play it is to test a code, I never do this, one of my target being to see how long it takes to reproduce the known high ratings.

I remember also games where the highest rating came out of the symmetry of given, what appears in the first minutes.

If the highest rating is posted early, the bonus is low, not a key advantage.
However, having the knowledge of the highest known rating is borderline towards the spirit of the game.

Anyway, to have the possibility to keep a chance to win it is important to play in the first part of the game,
but the most important is to be efficient where no data base is available.

and this is a game :roll:
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:41 am

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