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by **Patrice** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:39 pm

Code: Select all: . 1 2 . . . . . . 3 . 4 . . . 5 . . 6 5 . 7 . . . . . . . 8 4 . . 7 . . . . . . 2 . . . 9 . . . . . 6 . 3 . . 4 . 5 . . 1 . . . . . . . 9 . . 2 . . . . 6 . . 9 . ED=3.0/2.0/2.0

by **papy999** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:42 pm

Code: Select all: . 1 2 | . . . | . . . 3 . 4 | . . . | 1 . . 5 6 . | 7 . . | . . . ------+-------+------ . . 8 | 1 . . | 6 . . . . . | . 2 . | . . 5 . . . | . . 9 | . 4 . ------+-------+------ . 3 . | 6 . . | 5 . . . . . | . . 4 | . . 9 . . . | . 9 . | . 2 . ED=3.8/2.0/2.0

by **g.r.emlin** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:43 pm

::: game 0299 status 2017-12-20+13:43:18-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0299 2017-12-16+21:00:00-0000 duration 3d16h dealer coloin pages 2344-2349 (open) 4 players _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 7.1/7.1/2.8 papy999 8.8/8.8/7.2 m_b_metcalf 10.3/10.3/7.2 Patrice 1.5/1.2/1.2 coloin 7.2/7.2/7.2 Patrice 8.9/8.9/8.3 m_b_metcalf 10.4/10.4/10.2 m_b_metcalf 1.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 7.3/7.2/3.4 Patrice 9.0/9.0/9.0 m_b_metcalf 10.5/10.5/9.4 Patrice 2.0/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf 7.4/7.4/7.2 m_b_metcalf 9.1/9.1/9.1 Patrice 10.6/10.6/10.6 Patrice 2.3/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf 7.5/2.0/2.0 papy999 9.2/9.2/9.2 m_b_metcalf 10.7/10.7/10.4 papy999 2.5/2.0/2.0 Patrice 7.6/7.6/3.4 Patrice 9.3/9.3/9.2 Patrice 10.8/10.8/9.6 Patrice 2.6/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf 7.7/2.0/2.0 papy999 9.4/9.4/9.4 Patrice 10.9/10.9/3.4 Patrice 2.8/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf 7.8/7.2/3.4 papy999 9.5/9.5/9.5 Patrice 11.0/11.0/3.4 papy999 3.0/2.0/2.0 Patrice 7.9/7.2/3.4 Patrice 9.6/9.6/9.6 m_b_metcalf 11.1/11.1/10.1 Patrice 3.2/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf 8.2/7.2/7.2 Patrice 9.7/9.7/9.4 m_b_metcalf 11.2/11.2/3.4 Patrice 3.4/2.0/2.0 Patrice 8.3/8.3/7.2 m_b_metcalf 9.8/9.8/9.3 Patrice 11.3/11.3/10.8 Patrice 3.8/2.0/2.0 papy999 8.4/8.4/8.4 Patrice 9.9/9.9/9.8 Patrice 11.4/11.4/3.4 Patrice 5.2/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf 8.5/8.5/8.5 m_b_metcalf 10.0/10.0/9.2 Patrice 11.5/11.5/11.1 Patrice 5.7/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf 8.6/8.6/7.2 Patrice 10.1/10.1/9.3 Patrice 6.6/2.0/2.0 papy999 8.7/8.7/3.4 Patrice 10.2/10.2/9.2 m_b_metcalf _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ rare ratings : 11.5 open ratings : 3.6 4.0 4.2 4.4-5.1 5.4 5.6 5.8-6.2 6.5 6.7-7.0 8.0 8.1 11.6-11.8 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- coloin 1 -19 0 dealer papy999 8 1038 2h17m rare-1,pearl*3,last-entry=307,dup-puzzle m_b_metcalf 20 1647 50m18s rare-0,diamond*4,pearl*7 Patrice 29 3803 1h47m rare-0*7,rare-1,diamond*6,pearl*17,highest-rating=19 ----------- ------- ----- ----- 4 58 6469 rare-0*8,rare-1*2,diamond*10,pearl*27

by **Patrice** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:00 pm

Code: Select all: . 1 2 . . . . . . 3 . 4 . . . 1 . . 5 6 . 7 . . . . . . . 8 1 . . 4 . . . . . . 2 . . . 9 . . . . . 5 . 3 . . 4 . 8 . . 7 . . . . . . . 9 . . 2 . . . . 5 . . 9 . ED=4.2/2.0/2.0

by **coloin** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:07 pm

:::comment:::
i scanned an old set of "hardestpuzzles" [not in champagnes list - for symmetry - and i got those puzzles [inc 11.5se/11.2/skfr]
I was prompted by the previous game.
The other patterns all have skfr >11.1
C

by **papy999** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:16 pm

Code: Select all: . 1 2 | . . . | . . . 3 . 4 | . . . | 5 . . 6 5 . | 7 . . | . . . ------+-------+------ . . 8 | 4 . . | 7 . . . . . | . 1 . | . . 9 . . . | . . 2 | . 6 . ------+-------+------ . 4 . | 3 . . | 8 . . . . . | . . 9 | . . 1 . . . | . 6 . | . 9 . ED=4.4/2.0/2.0

by **Patrice** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:31 pm

::: comment :::
Hi Coloin,

I've made an analysis of champagne ph_1512
There is a lot of puzzles with pattern that can be put (by isotransformation) in a symetrical form.
Some of them have been proposed by champagne for the Pattern game, but most of them have not.
I've just proposed one of them which is in g.r.emlin waiting list !

I will test if the current pattern has some puzzles in champagne BDD (isomorph puzzles)
I need just some hours to write some code for that !

Best regards

by **Patrice** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:32 pm

Code: Select all: . 1 2 . . . . . . 3 . 4 . . . 1 . . 5 6 . 7 . . . . . . . 8 1 . . 2 . . . . . . 5 . . . 9 . . . . . 6 . 3 . . 2 . 3 . . 4 . . . . . . . 9 . . 5 . . . . 7 . . 9 . ED=4.5/2.0/2.0

by **papy999** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:34 pm

Code: Select all: . 1 2 | . . . | . . . 3 . 4 | . . . | 1 . . 5 6 . | 7 . . | . . . ------+-------+------ . . 8 | 4 . . | 7 . . . . . | . 3 . | . . 9 . . . | . . 5 | . 2 . ------+-------+------ . 4 . | 6 . . | 8 . . . . . | . . 9 | . . 5 . . . | . 2 . | . 9 . ED=5.6/2.0/2.0

by **Patrice** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:53 pm

::: comment :::
Hi coloin,

First test : the current game gives as minlexpattern
.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..X.X..X.X.....X...X....
and in the champagne ph1512 (last published list dated 2015 december)
there are 85 puzzles with the same minlexpattern !!!

21 of them have a serate rating (9 of them have a serate rating >=11.0 - they cover 11.1, 11.3, 11.4 and 11.5)
64 have a skfr rating ( 1 of them is 11.2 - to be confirmed by serate) origin dobritchev and champagne

in ph_1512 the 11.5 is form tarek
Here after : extract form ph_1512

Code: Select all: 5.......8.3...2.4...9...1......27.3....5.4....7.63....8.....9...4.7...6...1.....5 11.50 11.50 11.10 tarek-2228 98.7.....6.7...8...54.......7.8..5......3..6......2..1..95..4......6...3.....1.2. 11.40 11.40 3.40 H56 98.7.....7.6...8...54.......7.6..5......9..3......2..1..54..7......1...9.....3.2. 11.30 11.30 10.80 22ky5 ...4..7....6.8...2.....3.5......73...1..2...6...5...4..72......86..9....9.1.....8 11.30 11.30 3.40 750 98.7.....7.6.......54...9..5..8..4......3..6......2..1..94..5......6...2.....1.3. 11.30 11.30 3.40 H256 98.7.....7.6...8...54.......9.5..6......4..3......2..1..78..5......3...2.....1.4. 11.30 11.30 3.40 H252 98.7.....7.6...8...54.......6.8..5......3..4......2..1..75..9......4...2.....1.3. 11.10 11.10 10.10 H769 3.......7.5.6...8...2...9...1..56......4.8......19..4.9.....3...8...4.5...7.....2 11.10 11.10 3.40 tarek-ultra-0326 .......12.....134...4...5.6..2..5.6..7..3....8..9.......5..2..1.9.7.....3...8.... 11.10 11.10 3.40 2012_04 98.7.....7.6...8...54.......9.5..7......3..4......2..1..76..5......4...2.....1.3. 10.90 10.90 3.40 H1318 98.7.....7.6.......54...7..4..9..6......3..8......2..1..96..4......1...3.....8.2. 10.80 10.80 9.60 H1515 98.7.....7.6...8...54.......9.8..6......3..4......2..1..96..7......4...3.....1.2. 10.80 10.80 9.60 H1522 98.7.....7.6.......54...9..8..4..7......6..3......2..1..89..4......1...2.....3.6. 10.80 10.80 9.60 H1524 98.7.....7.6.......54...7..4..6..9......3..8......2..1..94..6......1...3.....8.2. 10.80 10.80 9.60 H1516 7.......8.3.2...4...6...9...5.14.......7.2.......35.1.9.....7...4...1.3...8.....6 10.80 10.80 3.40 tarek-ultra-0311 9.......6.1.7...8...2...3...4.16.......8.2.......74.5.3.....9...7...8.1...6.....2 10.70 10.70 10.20 tarek-1149 1.......7.9.4...5...6...2...5.79.......5.2.......38.4.7.....6...3...9.8...2.....1 10.70 10.70 10.10 coloin-04-10 98.7.....7.6...8...54.......9.6..7......3..4......2..1..98..6......4...3.....1.2. 10.70 10.70 9.60 H2046 98.7.....7.6...8...54.......6.9..5......3..4......2..1..75..9......4...3.....1.2. 10.70 10.70 3.40 H2383 7.......3.1...6.2...8...5.....49..6....8.1....9..72...3.....8...2.9...4...5.....7 10.60 10.60 10.60 tarek-2629 7.......5.4...8.3...2...9.....62..8....8.7....1..34...5.....2...3.1...6...9.....7 10.60 10.60 10.60 tarek-2549

by **Patrice** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:56 pm

Code: Select all: . 1 2 . . . . . . 3 . 4 . . . 2 . . 5 6 . 7 . . . . . . . 8 2 . . 7 . . . . . . 5 . . . 9 . . . . . 9 . 3 . . 2 . 8 . . 4 . . . . . . . 3 . . 5 . . . . 6 . . 9 . ED=7.0/2.0/2.0

by **Patrice** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:02 pm

::: comment :::
Hi Coloin,

What was the origin of your puzzle ? tarek ?

by **papy999** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:03 pm

Code: Select all: . 1 2 | . . . | . . . 3 . 4 | . . . | 5 . . 5 6 . | 7 . . | . . . ------+-------+------ . . 8 | 4 . . | 2 . . . . . | . 2 . | . . 9 . . . | . . 6 | . 1 . ------+-------+------ . 9 . | 5 . . | 8 . . . . . | . . 7 | . . 6 . . . | . 1 . | . 9 . ED=6.5/2.0/2.0

by **papy999** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:12 pm

Patrice wrote:there are 85 puzzles with the same minlexpattern !!!

21 of them have a serate rating (9 of them have a serate rating >=11.0 - they cover 11.1, 11.3, 11.4 and 11.5)

Interesting !
How can you verify this so quickly ?
Do you have a way to put these puzzles in the good form for the game ?

I wonder if we have found something new with this game or just "isomorph" of already known puzzles

by **m_b_metcalf** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:21 pm

Code: Select all: . 1 2 . . . . . . 3 . 4 . . . 5 . . 6 7 . 2 . . . . . . . 1 4 . . 7 . . . . . . 3 . . . 8 . . . . . 8 . 5 . . 9 . 7 . . 4 . . . . . . . 6 . . 7 . . . . 8 . . 3 . ED=6.7/2.0/2.0

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