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Re: Patterns Game

Postby ronk » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:52 am

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Patrice wrote:just to understand the sequence of this page : did you erase one post between the 2 adjustments posted by G.r.emlin ? and why ?

I posted the same puzzle, isomorphically speaking, three times in a row and deleted the middle one. The third was the puzzle as generated and rated. The first and second were identical ... and a mere relabeling of the third with the assumption that the rating was the same. It wasn't.

First I was so upset that the rating was different that I posted the relabeled puzzle again ... instead of the rated original. Then I was really upset ... and deleted the second. I frown heavily upon others deleting posts ... so I apologize for doing so myself.
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby gsf » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:59 am

ronk wrote:::: comment :::

Patrice wrote: I've just a question bout the patterns Game rules

After making a submission a player may not make another submission until 10 minutes have passed and another player has made a submission. Game numbers 0 modulo 2 are lightning rounds (marked LIGHTNING) with the 10 minutes submission delay waived. In checking for consecutive posts by the same player, a syntactically correct submission is considered a submission, even if it is later tagged invalid.

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If we follow the rule in citation, this last post from ronk is not valid, because there is no submission from an other player between the two ?!

Is there a skew somewhere or did I misunderstood the rule ?

Although this may not be what gsf intended, a submission with a mismatched Sudoku Explainer rating is obviously not treated as a "syntactically correct submission."

the cited rule was for the protection of other players who otherwise may be tricked by invalid submissions
the user of an invalid post may make a valid submission with no intervening submission without penalty

so for a player making only valid submissions, its always safe (modulo time constraints) to submit after another player has submitted (valid or not)
for the player making an invalid submission, a penalty is applied, but the player may submit again and not be penalized for consecutive entry

this needs clarification in the rules but at the moment clear language to do so escapes me

re: deleted/edited posts
it can get confusing because of the referee 5 min polling interval
some deletions/edits are caught by the referee, some are not
in this case ronk was caught
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:58 am

::: more :::

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....1.......872.....93.42....5.3.1...7.....4.4.......8..1.2.9...2.....6.8.......4  ED=5.0/1.2/1.2
....5.......879.....92.46....5.3.1...7.....4.4.......8..1.2.5...2.....9.8.......4  ED=6.2/1.2/1.2


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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:50 am

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Glen,
just add in the rules :

When a player makes an invalid submission, a penalty is applied, but if the cause is not "consecutive entry ", the player may submit again (after the adjustment post by referee), and he will not be penalized for consecutive entry.

I think that deleting or editing post should be forbidden in the game

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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:19 am

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Glen,

When i look at the rules in page 1, the proposition to post "more" puzzles afgter closing is
After the game is closed and before the next game starts players may post a batch of additional valid but unplayable puzzles for the closed game:
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::: more :::
81-char-grid  ER/EP/ED
   ...



but when i look to "more posts" in the previous game they are in the form of
::: more :::
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.....6..7..3.8..9..9.2.......7.....2.8..3..5.6.....8.......76...5..4..3.2..1.....    ED=6.2/3.4/3.4
.....1..2..4.3..9..8.9.......3.....6.9..8..4.5.....7.......61...5..4..3.2..1.....    ED=9.4/9.4/7.8
.....1..7..3.9..2..9.8.......9.....8.2..5..4.7.....6.......61...5..4..3.2..1.....    ED=9.7/9.7/7.8



What is the right syntax of these posts ? should we put the "::: more ::: " in the "code box" or before ?
Is there a relation with this syntax and loss of "more" submission by the referee ?

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Postby ronk » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:30 am

::: more :::
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....8.......256.....53.48....6.7.9...8.....2.3.......4..7.6.5...4.....3.2.......1    ED=8.7/8.4/2.6
....8.......256.....53.48....6.7.9...8.....2.3.......4..7.6.5...4.....3.2.......1    ED=8.7/8.4/2.6
The repetition is a test.

The ratings of my other two "mores" ... 5.7/1.2/1.2 and 6.2/1.2/1.2 ... have already been posted.
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:53 pm

::: more :::
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....5.......897.....63.49....5.7.6...3.....4.1.......8..7.1.5...1.....2.8.......1  ED=2.3/1.5/1.5


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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:17 pm

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Is there a compilation of rarities somewhere ?
As a new player, I don't know which games are used for rarity evaluation, because first game don't have a full rating...

Full rating begins at game 14 and before we have some strange rating like 4.69 ?
or 4.69/2 in game 13...

Are "more" puzzles with a + sign in the result lists included or excluded from rarities count ?

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Re: Patterns Game

Postby ronk » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:07 pm

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Patrice, I don't believe there is a published compilation of rarities. I snarfed all the game results, starting with game 0013, to build my own.

Although the difference would likely be small, rarities from ::: more ::: posts are no longer counted.
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:41 pm

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Thank ronk, for your answer,
by the way what is your firstname ?

About game 13 :
in "Patterns game result stream", 13 is a very strange game : there is only one post in the result list with 4 players !
I've found in the old stream "game1.5" a list of rated puzzles of game 13 at this page :
patterns-game-1-5-t5760-1080.html

Do you think it is the right list ?

And for later game do you think I can rely on the lists in Patterns game result stream, or do I need to sniff all the posts in the differents streams ?
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby m_b_metcalf » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:21 pm

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Patrice wrote:Is there a compilation of rarities somewhere ?

If you send me your e-mail address via a PM, I will send you a summary of all games from 14 to 130 (which may have some small errors but is essentially complete).

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re: game #13

Postby Pat » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:44 am

Patrice wrote:About game 13 :

in "Patterns game result stream", 13 is a very strange game :
there is only one post in the result list with 4 players !

I've found in the old stream "game1.5"
a list of rated puzzles of game 13 at this page : patterns-game-1-5-t5760-1080.html


game #13 was the last with the earlier system of ratings

triple ratings ( x/y/z )start in game #14
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Mauricio » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:07 am

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000010000000234000003506700007020800040000090500000001008090300090000040100000009 2.5/1.5/1.5
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Postby g.r.emlin » Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:04 pm

::: game 0133 start at 2011-02-13+08:00:00-0000 :::
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dealer status

candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin)

   1 coloin            1 Pat               3 m_b_metcalf       7 JPF              87 g.r.emlin
   1 Mauricio          3 champagne         3 ronk             32 tarek

past patterns

   1 claudiarabia      1 ravel             3 ronk             16 coloin           26 JPF
   1 draco             1 wintder           9 gsf              19 TTHsieh
   1 Eioru             3 champagne        15 m_b_metcalf      23 Mauricio
   1 pseudocoup        3 g.r.emlin        15 Pat              25 tarek
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Postby g.r.emlin » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:00 am

::: game 0133 open 2011-02-13+08:00:15-0000 dealer coloin 23 clues diagonal (main) symmetry :::
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. . 1 . . 2 . . 3
. . . . 3 . . 6 .
6 . . 4 . . 8 . .
. . 7 8 . . . . 1
. 8 . . . . . 7 .
2 . . . . . 3 . .
. . 6 . . 1 . . 4
. 7 . . 4 . . . .
5 . . 6 . . 7 . .  ED=1.5/1.2/1.2
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