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by **m_b_metcalf** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:43 pm

gsf wrote:(3) a strong pearl (pearl index 99) may not be the first entry for a given ER

Suppose, in a game with a rating range otherwise from 1.5 to 9.4, a player joyfully but late finds a rating of 10.4, but it is a strong Pearl. Would this rule prevent it being submitted at all?

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **gsf** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:53 pm

m_b_metcalf wrote:
gsf wrote:(4) after making a submission a player may not make another submission until 10 minutes
have passed and another player has made a submission

Just for clarification: if a puzzle is submitted 'too soon', does that mean:

c) it is penalised

by **g.r.emlin** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:10 pm

::: game 0012 final :::

Code: Select all: game 0012 2008-01-15+08:16:00-0000 duration 19h39m dealer TTHsieh index 840 (closed) 4 players 1.2/1 1.5/1 1.7/1 2.0/1 2.3/1 2.5/1 2.6/4 2.8/4 3.0/4 3.2/4 3.4/4 3.6/4 3.8/4 4.0/4 4.2/1 4.4/4 4.5/2 4.6/99 4.69/2 4.7/1 4.8/1 5.0/9 5.2/2 5.4/1 5.6/4 5.7/1 5.8/1 5.9/1 6.2/1 6.5/1 6.6/3 6.69/4 6.7/4 6.8/4 6.9/2 7.0/1 7.1/99 7.2/99 7.3/99 7.4/1 7.5/1 7.6/1 7.7/1 7.8/1 7.9/2 8.0/1 8.2/1 8.3/1 8.4/1 8.5/2 8.6/99 8.7/13 8.8/1 8.9/1 9.0/1 9.1/99 9.2/2 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- JPF 5 79 7m19s m_b_metcalf 2 127 20m59s weak-pearl gsf 25 749 1m48s weak-pearl*2 TTHsieh 24 1784 3m05s strong-pearl*6,weak-pearl*13,last-entry,highest-rating,more-entries,dealer ----------- ------- 4 56 . . . | . . . | . . . . . X | . X . | X . . . X . | X . X | . X . ------+-------+------ . . X | . X . | X . . . X . | X X X | . X . . . X | . X . | X . . ------+-------+------ . X . | X . X | . X . . . X | . X . | X . . . . . | . . . | . . .

57 posted puzzles

Code: Select all: 000000000001020300040103050002060100060274030008030500090502010007080900000000000 # 4 1.2 1 - JPF 000000000001020300020103040002050100050267030008030400070405010006080900000000000 # 1 1.5 1 - TTHsieh 000000000001020300020103040002050100050267030008030600070405010004080900000000000 # 47 1.7 1 - TTHsieh 000000000001020300020405010002060400060758030007030100080106040005070900000000000 # 2 2.0 1 - JPF 000000000001020300020104050006070100070486030004030500060507010008040900000000000 # 6 2.3 1 - JPF 000000000001020300040105060002070100070258030004030600080602010005040900000000000 # 13 2.5 1 - JPF 000000000001020300020103040005010600010275080009040700080504070003090500000000000 # 17 2.6 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300020304050006070400080492010002030900030901080009060700000000000 # 15 2.8 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300020304050006070400080492010005030900030901080009060700000000000 # 18 3.0 4 W gsf 000000000001020300040501060003010700080369050009070400090703040002090800000000000 # 19 3.2 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300020401050006030700080746020009050400030507080007090100000000000 # 25 3.4 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300040105060002040500070512080009060100020408070005030400000000000 # 37 3.6 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300020405060006050700080794020009010500050908010007030900000000000 # 29 3.8 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300020304050003060100070831020008070900050607010002090800000000000 # 43 4.0 4 W TTHsieh 000000000005020600020109080002050100050267030009010400040305010006070900000000000 # 44 4.2 1 - gsf 000000000001020300020304050002030600050267040008090700030106090006080100000000000 # 12 4.4 4 W TTHsieh 000000000007020300020105040004050100050267030008030700040603010006080500000000000 # 3 4.5 2 - gsf 000000000001020300040105060007030100080451020004060500060908050008010400000000000 # 31 4.6 99 S TTHsieh 000000000001020300020403050002060700060278030008040500070506040005030100000000000 # 54 4.69 2 - JPF 000000000001020300020104050002060500040758030009040700080205010007010900000000000 # 53 4.7 1 - TTHsieh 000000000001020300020401050003050600040762010008010700090803060007090200000000000 # 57 4.8 1 + TTHsieh 000000000001020300040506020004010200030467080009080600020803060003090400000000000 # 45 5.0 9 W TTHsieh 000000000008020300040105060003060100070258030004030500050603010007040800000000000 # 55 5.2 2 - gsf 000000000008020300020401060005030700080746020009050400040503080007090600000000000 # 42 5.4 1 - gsf 000000000001020300040503060003070200070638050009050800020701040006080700000000000 # 23 5.6 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020600080103040007040100050267030002030400010405080006080900000000000 # 40 5.7 1 - gsf 000000000006070900010203040001090800090832050004060700070109030003080100000000000 # 52 5.8 1 - m_b_metcalf 000000000008070200040305010009030600010267080004050700020806030006020800000000000 # 46 5.9 1 - gsf 000000000008070300040301090009030600010267080004050200020804060005090800000000000 # 48 6.2 1 - gsf 000000000005020300020601080002050700050267030008090400030405060004080900000000000 # 51 6.5 1 - gsf 000000000001020300060804010002010400040678090007040800050709030006030700000000000 # 16 6.6 3 W gsf 000000000001020300040305010002030600010267080009050700020806040006090800000000000 # 33 6.69 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300030405010006010700050782090008050200060809030007030800000000000 # 41 6.7 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300020405060006070500010542080009010400060708040005030700000000000 # 27 6.8 4 W TTHsieh 000000000005020300020108060003050100050267030008030200040603010006090700000000000 # 7 6.9 2 - gsf 000000000008020300060103020002040800050267030007030400070405010006070900000000000 # 38 7.0 1 - gsf 000000000001020300030104050002010400040678090007040800050709030006030700000000000 # 8 7.1 99 S TTHsieh 000000000001020300030104050004060700020318090003040100050609040002070600000000000 # 10 7.2 99 S TTHsieh 000000000001020300040305060004030500020758090008090200060907020007080100000000000 # 21 7.3 99 S TTHsieh 000000000004020100020508060007010200050267030008030400070302010006080300000000000 # 36 7.4 1 - gsf 000000000001020300020903050007050100050267030008030400070402010005080200000000000 # 32 7.5 1 - gsf 000000000001020300020405010002060400060758030007030100080106020005040900000000000 # 28 7.6 1 - gsf 000000000005020600020103040002050100050267030008010400040605010006070900000000000 # 26 7.7 1 - gsf 000000000004020100020504060007050200050267030008030400070309010006080900000000000 # 24 7.8 1 - gsf 000000000001020300020104050006040700040812030009060200080605070004080100000000000 # 49 7.9 2 - TTHsieh 000000000003020600020103040002050100050267030008010700070406090006080300000000000 # 22 8.0 1 - gsf 000000000001020300050401070006030700080746020009050400060502080002090500000000000 # 30 8.2 1 - gsf 000000000004020300070108040007050100050267030008030200030905010006080900000000000 # 20 8.3 1 - gsf 000000000001020600020603080002050100050267030008030400090405010006080900000000000 # 14 8.4 1 - gsf 000000000007040300030105040004050600050267030008010700040609010006030500000000000 # 5 8.5 2 - gsf 000000000001020300040506010005070600070365080003090200010807040007010800000000000 # 35 8.6 99 S TTHsieh 000000000009020300040506070006080700070163050003040200060408010008010400000000000 # 50 8.7 13 W m_b_metcalf 000000000001020600060903070007040100050267030009030400090401080005070200000000000 # 34 8.8 1 - gsf 000000000002040300030105040004050600050267030009010700060904080008020900000000000 # 11 8.9 1 - gsf 000000000001020300020405010009060200060758030007040500030106020005070900000000000 # 9 9.0 1 - gsf 000000000001020300040506070006080700070963050003040200060804090008050400000000000 # 39 9.1 99 S TTHsieh 000000000001020300020304050006030700030872040002090800060209080007060900000000000 # 56 9.2 2 - TTHsieh

44 posted pearls

Code: Select all: 000000000001020300070506090004010200030467080009080600010803060003090400000000000 # 1 2.0 3 W gsf 000000000009020300030904080005010600040678090007040100050702030006030700000000000 # 2 2.3 3 W gsf 000000000001020900040506010005080600070365080003090200010807040007010800000000000 # 3 2.6 4 W gsf 000000000001020300020304050006070400080492010002030900030901080009060700000000000 # 4 2.8 4 W TTHsieh 000000000009020300040306070006080700070163050003040200060405080007030400000000000 # 5 2.8 6 W gsf 000000000001020300020104050002060100060517040008030700090706020007080400000000000 # 6 3.0 4 W JPF 000000000001020300020301040002050600030247010008090400060409070009080500000000000 # 7 3.2 4 W JPF 000000000001020300020401050006030700080746020009050400030507080007090100000000000 # 8 3.4 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300020401060002050700080794020005010600050908010007030900000000000 # 9 3.4 7 W gsf 000000000001020300040105060002040500070512080009060100020408070005030400000000000 # 10 3.6 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300020405060006050700080794020009010500050908010007030900000000000 # 11 3.8 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300020304050003060100070831020008070900050607010002090800000000000 # 12 4.0 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300020304050002030600050267040008090700030106090006080100000000000 # 13 4.4 4 W TTHsieh 000000000009020500040506070006040700070163050003090200090408010005070400000000000 # 14 4.4 7 W gsf 000000000001020300040105060007030100080451020004060500060908050008010400000000000 # 15 4.6 99 S TTHsieh 000000000009010300040806070006040700070163050003090200060405010008020400000000000 # 16 5.0 3 W gsf 000000000001020300040506020004010200030467080009080600020803060003090400000000000 # 17 5.0 9 W TTHsieh 000000000007040300080105090004050600050267030008010700040603010006020900000000000 # 18 5.6 3 W gsf 000000000001020300040503060003070200070638050009050800020701040006080700000000000 # 19 5.6 4 W TTHsieh 000000000004020300050304020006070400080492010005030900030901050009060700000000000 # 20 6.5 4 W gsf 000000000001020300060804010002010400040678090007040800050709030006030700000000000 # 21 6.6 3 W gsf 000000000001020300040305010002030600010267080009050700020806040006090800000000000 # 22 6.69 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300030405010006010700050782090008050200060809030007030800000000000 # 23 6.7 4 W TTHsieh 000000000001020300020405060006050700080794020004010900060908010007030400000000000 # 24 6.8 4 W gsf 000000000001020300040103050002040600060257030008090500070504080006080900000000000 # 25 7.1 3 W JPF 000000000001020300030104050002010400040678090007040800050709030006030700000000000 # 26 7.1 99 S TTHsieh 000000000001020300020104050005060100060217040008030700050906030007080600000000000 # 27 7.2 3 W JPF 000000000001020300030405060002070800070261050009040600010607040003090100000000000 # 28 7.2 4 W JPF 000000000001020300020405060002030100030261050007040600080906040009070800000000000 # 29 7.2 5 W JPF 000000000007020300040305070002030600010267080009050700030806040006090800000000000 # 30 7.2 99 S gsf 000000000001020300020103040002050600050247030008010400090405010007080900000000000 # 31 7.3 4 W JPF 000000000001020300020403050002060500060247030008090700050706090007080100000000000 # 32 7.3 9 W JPF 000000000001020300040305060004030500020758090008090200060907020007080100000000000 # 33 7.3 99 S TTHsieh 000000000001020300040503060004060100010478030009030700080607010002090400000000000 # 34 8.3 4 W JPF 000000000001020300040105060002070100080216050009030600090807040006040800000000000 # 35 8.3 5 W JPF 000000000001020300020405060002070600070869050008040900030607040007090100000000000 # 36 8.3 99 S JPF 000000000001020300020403050002060700060251030008040500010605040009080100000000000 # 37 8.4 4 W JPF 000000000001020300080105060002090500070512080009060100020406070005070400000000000 # 38 8.4 99 S gsf 000000000001060300030104050004020500020318090008040700050609040002070800000000000 # 39 8.5 99 S gsf 000000000001020300040506010005070600070365080003090200010807040007010800000000000 # 40 8.6 99 S TTHsieh 000000000009020300040506070006080700070163050003040200060408010008010400000000000 # 41 8.7 13 W m_b_metcalf 000000000006090300040506020001080700070163050003040200060408070008010900000000000 # 42 8.9 99 S gsf 000000000001020300040506090006080700070963050003040200010804070008050400000000000 # 43 9.0 99 S gsf 000000000001020300040506070006080700070963050003040200060804090008050400000000000 # 44 9.1 99 S TTHsieh

by **g.r.emlin** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:15 pm

::: game 0013 open dealer coloin 21 clues full dihedral symmetry :::

Code: Select all: 7 . . | . . . | . . 9 . 6 . | . . . | . 2 . . . . | 9 . 8 | . . . ------+-------+------ . . 9 | 1 . 2 | 8 . . . . . | . 3 . | . . . . . 2 | 4 . 5 | 1 . . ------+-------+------ . . . | 8 . 3 | . . . . 7 . | . . . | . 6 . 8 . . | . . . | . . 1 EP=1.5/2

by **m_b_metcalf** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:23 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . . . . . . 5 . 5 . . . . . 4 . . . . 4 . 9 . . . . . 6 8 . 1 9 . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . 8 5 . 7 2 . . . . . 9 . 2 . . . . 9 . . . . . 1 . 4 . . . . . . . 3 SE 4.5

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **gsf** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:24 pm

::: comment :::

m_b_metcalf wrote:
gsf wrote:(3) a strong pearl (pearl index 99) may not be the first entry for a given ER

Suppose, in a game with a rating range otherwise from 1.5 to 9.4, a player joyfully but late finds a rating of 10.4, but it is a strong Pearl. Would this rule prevent it being submitted at all?

it could be submitted as a ::: more ::: entry after the game closes
that could be changed if it happens a lot

by **gsf** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:56 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . | . . . | . . 5 . 5 . | . . . | . 8 . . . . | 4 . 9 | . . . ------+-------+------ . . 4 | 8 . 1 | 7 . . . . . | . 3 . | . . . . . 9 | 5 . 7 | 2 . . ------+-------+------ . . . | 9 . 2 | . . . . 4 . | . . . | . 1 . 6 . . | . . . | . . 3 EP=8.5/2

by **m_b_metcalf** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:08 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . . . . . . 2 . 3 . . . . . 9 . . . . 7 . 6 . . . . . 6 3 . 2 7 . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . 5 9 . 1 4 . . . . . 5 . 4 . . . . 8 . . . . . 1 . 9 . . . . . . . 3 SE 8.5

A strong Pearl.

MIke Metcalf

by **gsf** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:36 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . | . . . | . . 6 . 5 . | . . . | . 8 . . . . | 4 . 9 | . . . ------+-------+------ . . 3 | 8 . 1 | 7 . . . . . | . 3 . | . . . . . 9 | 5 . 7 | 2 . . ------+-------+------ . . . | 9 . 2 | . . . . 8 . | . . . | . 1 . 6 . . | . . . | . . 5 EP=9.8/2

by **m_b_metcalf** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:49 pm

Code: Select all: 3 . . . . . . . 2 . 1 . . . . . 9 . . . . 6 . 7 . . . . . 4 2 . 3 7 . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . 6 1 . 9 8 . . . . . 4 . 5 . . . . 2 . . . . . 1 . 9 . . . . . . . 3 SE 9.8

Another trump.

Mike Metcalf

by **gsf** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:09 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . | . . . | . . 2 . 3 . | . . . | . 9 . . . . | 4 . 5 | . . . ------+-------+------ . . 6 | 3 . 2 | 7 . . . . . | . 8 . | . . . . . 5 | 9 . 1 | 4 . . ------+-------+------ . . . | 6 . 7 | . . . . 8 . | . . . | . 1 . 9 . . | . . . | . . 3 EP=8.4/13

by **m_b_metcalf** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:13 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . . . . . . 2 . 3 . . . . . 9 . . . . 4 . 5 . . . . . 6 3 . 2 7 . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . 5 9 . 1 4 . . . . . 6 . 7 . . . . 8 . . . . . 1 . 9 . . . . . . . 3 SE 8.4

Another.

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **g.r.emlin** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:17 pm

::: adjustment :::

Code: Select all: 2008-01-22+19:13:00-0000 m_b_metcalf dup-puzzle -50

by **m_b_metcalf** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:26 pm

::: comment :::

g.r.emlin wrote:::: adjustment :::
Code: Select all
2008-01-22+19:13:00-0000 m_b_metcalf dup-puzzle -50

Yes, this is clearly true. However, I was misled by a pearl rating of only 13 for a puzzle that I'm sure is 99 (I checked it with SS directly)! What's wrong? And who is now allowed to play next?

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **gsf** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:49 pm

m_b_metcalf wrote:::: comment :::

g.r.emlin wrote:::: adjustment :::
Code: Select all
2008-01-22+19:13:00-0000 m_b_metcalf dup-puzzle -50

Yes, this is clearly true. However, I was misled by a pearl rating of only 13 for a puzzle that I'm sure is 99 (I checked it with SS directly)! What's wrong? And who is now allowed to play next?

pearl indices are computed by my solver instead of by simple sudoku
for many reasons, the main being the referee runs as a shell script on linux, not windows

my solver does not emulate SS exactly, and as noted just before game 0013, and in the updated rules,
differences may show up in coloring/multi-coloring
right now my solver is the final arbiter
those posts have the options to print the pearl index

if someone wants to code SS coloring for my solver I'd be glad to add it in
(constraint methods are pretty much independent modules and are easy to add in;
coding to the internal grid api is however a hurdle)

right now the referee accepts posts with no ``/pearl-index'', i.e., SE=explainer-rating/pearl-index
probably by the next game it will be required
you'll notice that my posts have EP=explainer-rating/pearl-index (for explainer/pearl)
the referee checks the actual pearl index against the submission, and mismatches are marked invalid
this should help the other players keep track of ratings/pearls until the next status post

penalized/adjusted posts do not count as a submission (but that code branch may not have
been tested yet)

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