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Another new one: 22 steps, symmetrically-minimal, type II symmetry.
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`8 7 .|. . 6|. . 3. . 3|4 . .|. . 9. . .|7 . .|. 4 .-----+-----+-----5 . .|8 . 4|9 1 .. . .|. 5 .|. . .. 8 1|6 . 3|. . 4-----+-----+-----. 6 .|. . 8|. . .3 . .|. . 1|4 . .1 . .|3 . .|. 9 6`

On reflection, I think that raising the entry requirements to match or improve upon the current best-of-type is too demanding. In order to get to 100, we'd need the keenest four-or-so of us each to match or improve upon five types of puzzle. Maybe we should just say: at least 20 clues and strictly improving upon your own personal best? ab -- what do you think about this

Of course another option would be for ab to roll low-steppers (and maybe asymmetric puzzles) into the list at the start of this thread.
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22 steps, SM, Type VII symmetry

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` . . . | . . 1 | . . . 6 . . | 9 . 7 | 3 . . . . 9 | . . . | . 8 .-------+-------+------- . . . | . . 2 | . 4 8 . . . | . . . | . . . 3 2 7 | . . . | . 9 .-------+-------+------- 9 6 . | 5 . . | 2 . . 2 . 5 | 7 . . | . . . . 1 4 | 8 . . | . 5 .`

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Changing a few digits in JPF's 22-stepper leads to a symmetrically-minimal 25-stepper:
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`. . .|. . 1|. . .6 . .|9 . 7|3 . .. . 5|. . .|. 8 .-----+-----+-----. . .|. . 3|. 4 8. . .|. . .|. . .3 2 7|. . .|. 9 .-----+-----+-----7 6 .|5 . .|2 . .9 . 3|7 . .|. . .. 1 4|8 . .|. 5 .`
Ocean's still winning with his fully minimal type VII 25-stepper, though!
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21 steps, SM, Type VI symmetry

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` . . 9 | . 5 . | 7 . . 4 . . | 3 . 7 | . . 8 . . . | . . . | . . .-------+-------+------- 1 4 . | 9 . 6 | . 5 7 . . . | . . . | . . . . 5 . | . 4 . | . 1 .-------+-------+------- 5 . . | . . . | . . 9 9 . . | 8 . 3 | . . 1 . 2 . | . 6 . | . 4 .`

20 steps, SM, type II symmetry

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` . . 5 | . 2 1 | . 7 . 1 . . | . 3 . | 5 . . . 3 . | . . 4 | . . 9-------+-------+------- 3 . 9 | . . . | . . . 6 7 . | . . . | . 3 4 . . . | . . . | 2 . 6-------+-------+------- 5 . . | 8 . . | . 4 . . . 3 | . 1 . | . . 5 . 8 . | 2 6 . | 3 . .`

I know this one is not OK under the old and the new rules..., but I can't resist :
19 steps, SM, type III symmetry
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` 8 7 . | . . . | . 1 4 . 6 9 | . 8 . | 7 3 . 4 5 . | . . . | . 8 9-------+-------+------- . . . | 6 . 5 | . . . . . . | . 7 . | . . . . . . | 1 . 3 | . . .-------+-------+------- 6 1 . | . . . | . 2 3 . 9 4 | . 1 . | 5 7 . 7 8 . | . . . | . 4 6`
I'm sure we can do better with it

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At the opposite side, for low steppers...
Just in case, not knowing what you intend to do.

2 steps, SM, type II symmetry, 36 clues

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` . . . | . . 8 | 5 1 . 8 . 7 | . 5 3 | . . . 1 . 5 | . 7 9 | 3 4 .-------+-------+------- 6 8 2 | . . . | . . . . 7 3 | . . . | 4 2 . . . . | . . . | 8 7 6-------+-------+------- . 6 9 | 3 1 . | 2 . 5 . . . | 4 2 . | 9 . 1 . 3 1 | 9 . . | . . .`

3 steps, SM, type IV symmetry, 30 clues
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` . 2 . | . 1 . | 5 . . 8 . . | . 6 7 | 9 . . . . . | . . 5 | . 6 7-------+-------+------- . . . | 5 . . | 6 4 . 4 5 . | . . . | . 2 3 . 9 2 | . . 6 | . . .-------+-------+------- 1 8 . | 9 . . | . . . . . 4 | 2 7 . | . . 8 . . 9 | . 8 . | . 3 .`

3 steps, SM, type III symmetry, 32 clues
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` 4 . . | . . . | . . 2 . 2 8 | 7 . 5 | 6 3 . . . 1 | . 6 . | 5 . .-------+-------+------- 5 9 . | . . . | . 1 3 . . . | 3 . 9 | . . . 7 1 . | . . . | . 8 6-------+-------+------- . . 7 | . 3 . | 1 . . . 6 5 | 2 . 8 | 3 4 . 8 . . | . . . | . . 7`

*edit : 3 steps, IV, 32 clues deleted *

4 steps, SM, type VI symmetry, 26 clues
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` . 9 2 | . 7 . | . . . 5 . . | 8 . . | . . 9 . . . | . . . | 6 8 5-------+-------+------- . . . | 2 9 4 | . . . . 1 6 | . . . | . . . . . . | 6 1 5 | . . .-------+-------+------- . . . | . . . | 7 3 1 2 . . | 7 . . | . . 8 . 3 4 | . 6 . | . . .`

4 steps, SM, type VII symmetry, 27 clues
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` . . 3 | 5 4 2 | . 8 . . . 4 | . . . | . . . 8 7 . | . . . | . 9 .-------+-------+------- 2 . . | 1 . 8 | . 7 5 3 . . | . . . | 2 . . 1 . . | 3 . . | 4 . .-------+-------+------- . . . | . 5 9 | . . . 5 . 6 | 4 . . | . . 2 . . . | 7 . . | . 5 .`

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Red Ed wrote:Maybe we should just say: at least 20 clues and strictly improving upon your own personal best? ab -- what do you think about this

I'm happy with this suggestion. Your public service post renewed interest in this thread Red Ed, I think people like the competitive edge. To go back to posting every puzzle over 20 steps doesn't appeal.
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22 steps, SM, Type VI symmetry

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` . 2 5 | . 3 . | 6 8 . 7 . . | 8 . 1 | . . 9 . . . | . 2 . | . . .-------+-------+------- 5 . 2 | . . . | 1 . 4 3 . . | . . . | . . 7 . 4 . | . . . | . 5 .-------+-------+------- . 8 . | . . . | . 1 . 2 6 . | . . . | . 4 3 . . . | 3 9 2 | . . .`

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can we add a #clues field?
e.g., a 1 stepper with less clues would be harder to come by
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gsf wrote:can we add a #clues field?
e.g., a 1 stepper with less clues would be harder to come by
OK, will do. I'll update the list tomorrow. I'm too shocked at the Eurovision song contest result to do anything more useful tonight ...

In the mean time, here's a symmetrically-minimal 26-stepper type VII puzzle:
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`. . 2|8 . .|. . 7. . .|. 9 .|2 4 .. . .|. . 5|. 8 .-----+-----+-----. 2 .|9 . .|6 . .9 4 .|. 1 .|. 2 .. 6 .|. . 7|. . 9-----+-----+-----. 1 .|. . .|. . 87 . 6|5 8 1|. . .. 8 .|. 4 .|. . .`
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ab, you wrote:
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`  puzzle #84 (JPF) 22 steps puzzle #85 (Red Ed) 26 steps`

actually,
puzzle #84 is Red Ed's, 26 steps
puzzle #85 is JPF's, 22 steps

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Some more steppers, classified by symmetry types :

20 steps, M, Type III symmetry, 26 clues
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` . 9 . | 1 . 2 | . 5 . 8 . . | . . . | . . 4 5 . 7 | . . . | 9 . 2-------+-------+------- . . . | 2 8 1 | . . . . . . | . . . | . . . . . . | 6 9 5 | . . .-------+-------+------- 1 . 2 | . . . | 3 . 5 9 . . | . . . | . . 1 . 6 . | 7 . 4 | . 2 .`

20 steps, SM, Type IV symmetry, 26 clues
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` . . . | 3 . . | 5 1 . . . 6 | . 9 . | . . 4 . 1 . | . 4 . | . . 3-------+-------+------- 6 . . | 7 . . | . . . . 7 8 | . . . | 4 2 . . . . | . . 4 | . . 6-------+-------+------- 3 . . | . 2 . | . 9 . 1 . . | . 3 . | 6 . . . 8 4 | . . 7 | . . .`

20 steps, SM, Type IV symmetry, 26 clues
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` . . 1 | 3 . . | . . 7 . . 8 | . 2 . | . . . 5 6 . | 4 . . | . . .-------+-------+------- 9 . 4 | . 8 . | . . . . 5 . | 2 . 4 | . 6 . . . . | . 5 . | 1 . 4-------+-------+------- . . . | . . 1 | . 8 6 . . . | . 6 . | 4 . . 7 . . | . . 2 | 5 . .`

21 steps, SM, Type IV symmetry, 28 clues
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` . 3 4 | 6 . . | 1 . . 5 . . | . . . | . . . 6 . 8 | . 9 3 | . . 2-------+-------+------- 3 . . | 7 . . | 8 . . . . 9 | . . . | 6 . . . . 2 | . . 8 | . . 7-------+-------+------- 8 . . | 3 1 . | 5 . 9 . . . | . . . | . . 3 . . 3 | . . 7 | 2 4 .`

20 steps, SM, Type V symmetry, 26 clues
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` . . . | 8 . . | . 9 . . 6 . | . 1 2 | . . . 9 . . | . . 4 | 5 . 6-------+-------+------- . . 3 | . . . | . 7 1 1 . . | . . . | . . 4 2 7 . | . . . | 3 . .-------+-------+------- 8 . 5 | 3 . . | . . 9 . . . | 1 2 . | . 8 . . 9 . | . . 8 | . . .`

21 steps, SM, Type V symmetry, 24 clues
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` . . . | . . . | . 7 . 7 . 4 | . . . | . . 5 8 . . | . . 2 | . 1 .-------+-------+------- 4 8 . | . 9 . | . . . 3 . . | 5 . 6 | . . 4 . . . | . 7 . | . 8 3-------+-------+------- . 9 . | 8 . . | . . 1 1 . . | . . . | 8 . 6 . 7 . | . . . | . . .`

22 steps, M, Type V symmetry, 24 clues
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` . 7 . | . . 4 | . . . 1 . . | . . . | . . 7 . 2 . | 3 . . | . 6 5-------+-------+------- . 9 . | . 6 . | . . . . 8 . | 5 . 1 | . 3 . . . . | . 2 . | . 5 .-------+-------+------- 4 5 . | . . 7 | . 1 . 2 . . | . . . | . . 9 . . . | 4 . . | . 8 .`

23 steps, SM, Type VI symmetry, 25 clues
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` 6 . 9 | . . . | 3 . 1 8 . . | 4 . 3 | . . 6 . 3 . | . . . | . 5 .-------+-------+------- . . . | . 5 . | . . . . . 1 | 8 . 6 | 9 . . . . 8 | . . . | 6 . .-------+-------+------- 1 9 . | . . . | . 2 3 3 . . | . . . | . . 4 . . . | 5 . 1 | . . .`

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here are a few with #clues inserted in field 3
Code: wrote:II,22,32,SM,603900021500103400020700003030000296000000000462000070200001050006807002850002607,gsf,NEW
II,23,28,SM,020009050800600004001037900509000010002000300010000605008760500900008001030200070,gsf,NEW
II,24,28,SM,540030701000102008100000000080060030400207005020040090000000002200806000804020013,gsf,NEW
III,22,24,M,000902000070000050008301400700000001030406090600000004005109300080000060000504000,gsf,NEW
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ab wrote:there's even a 38 clue 1 stepper there:
Put on the smallstepper-list, as it is currently the lowest known number of clues for a one-stepper! Also some of JPF's new low-steppers with various symmetries noted as candidates to an 'expanded list'.

A 24-stepper with double diagonal symmetry. 24 clues. Minimal:
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`## M24. 24 steps. Double diagonal symmetry.#. . .|1 . .|. 2 . . . .|. . .|3 . 4. . .|. 5 6|. 7 .-----+-----+-----8 . .|. 3 .|9 . .. . 9|8 . 7|4 . .. . 2|. 9 .|. . 1-----+-----+-----. 6 .|2 4 .|. . .1 . 8|. . .|. . .. 7 .|. . 3|. . .`
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Ocean wrote:Put on the smallstepper-list, as it is currently the lowest known number of clues for a one-stepper! Also some of JPF's new low-steppers with various symmetries noted as candidates to an 'expanded list'.

Thanks.
Here are two more for this new list :

2 steps, SM, type III symmetry, 36 clues
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` . 7 . | . . . | . 1 . . . 6 | 4 . 9 | 2 . . . 1 8 | 3 . 5 | 9 6 .-------+-------+------- 3 6 . | 9 . 4 | . 8 5 . . . | . . . | . . . 4 9 . | 8 . 7 | . 2 1-------+-------+------- . 5 7 | 2 . 6 | 1 4 . . . 3 | 7 . 1 | 8 . . . 2 . | . . . | . 3 .`

2 steps, SM, type IV symmetry, 38 clues
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` . 3 9 | . . 7 | . 6 . 8 . 5 | 2 . 9 | . 4 1 7 1 . | 4 . 8 | . . .-------+-------+------- . 2 3 | . . . | 6 7 4 . . . | . . . | . . . 9 7 1 | . . . | 3 2 .-------+-------+------- . . . | 9 . 4 | . 3 7 1 8 . | 3 . 6 | 2 . 5 . 9 . | 1 . . | 4 8 .`

(assuming that the number of steps is the first criterion)

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gsf wrote:here are a few with #clues inserted in field 3
It might be better if you reported the puzzles as 9x9 grids like everyone else. My list is just a reformatted version of ab's, so you need to publish in a way that makes it easy for ab to include your puzzles. If ab won't accept it, I won't record it either. (I'm just sulking because you beat my type II puzzle .)

Update: I've recorded puzzles up to #88 in my list. Sorry, gsf, your new ones aren't in there yet --- but I'll do the honours when ab's inducted them into his own hall of fame. But at least I have added a number-of-clues field as requested. The sort order is arbitrary for that field, since I only consider type, steps and minimality in deciding what's best in class.

I think we're over the (artificial) limit of 100 now. Perhaps ab would like to suggest a way of tying off the thread. Perhaps a few more days to submit high-stepping puzzles, replacing low-stepping ones from people who've contributed loads already
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