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What I see here

Postby 813554 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:32 pm

Hi, I'm relatively new here. I'm from Turkey and I'm 20. I always loved Sudoku and other puzzles. In high school, I was the only person who reads newspaper. I bought one every day, my friends took sports page, I read the rest while I'm eating and solved the puzzles later on. Even the hardest sudoku puzzles on newspaper were so easy for me. I've downloaded and app for starbattle, I solved them all then I went back and made all of them three stars. Then it was done, I couldn't find a good website that I could find new starbattle puzzles. Then I remembered my days in high school and downloaded a sudoku app. Easy is easy, medium is easy, hard is easy and expert is impossible. What? I always thought sudoki is such an easy puzzle, how hard could it be, it's small, rules are simple... One day I was really frustrated, I was mad. I was shouting at myself "How the hell I can't solve this!?". I decided to learn the game, I was going to learn all the techniques. I decided to ask this on a sudoku forum and I Googled it, this site was the first result. It was really surprising to see how many terms this game has. X-wings, scy srapers, 2 string kites, jelly fishes... I've posted a pic of the puzzle I couldn't solve and some guys were saying "There's a hidden triplet in r2c4, r3c4..." and it was all nonsense to me! "Okay r should be standing for 'row' there, b is 'box' probably. What is 'turbot fish'? let's see the pic, oh, okay so this is a turbot fish then. Got it.". I learnt a lot in time.

Forums always seemed old to me. I always feel like I'm in 2000's when I browse in a forum and I love this feeling. Past always seems happy. Today, I yearn for yesterday but tomorrow I will yearn for today. "These old music... This is gold. Look at how shite music is today...". I want to play hide and seek on the streets with my friends. I yearn for the days I didn't even live in. '70s music is great, I love old classic cars, I love the way people dresses back then... Anyway, I see, I am not the only person who thinks forums look old because this forum is not so alive. Less new topics I see, same a few people replies all the posts... When I ask something, I can find myself at a topic of 2006. This is the most popular sudoku forum and 20, 30 people are online, sometimes fewer. It's sad.

Another point: I have never met a person who takes sudoku seriously. A few people knows the rules but a lot of them haven't solved a puzzle in a year. Especially young people. This forum shares the birthdays of the members at the bottom, you can always look at it. I never see a person under 30 there. Maybe people lost their interest in sudoku, maybe sudoku is old itself. None of my peers around me even knows the rules. What do you think about this?
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Re: What I see here

Postby 813554 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:46 pm

:D :oops: :geek: :lol: ;) Look at these smilies. I find myself in another world when I look at them. A white world, where all phones are clamshall, where TV is still a thing... Everybody's young and they wear hoodies. Spray paint is everywhere, people listens music from boomboxes. I don't know, it makes me smile.

In inventor's studio, newest topic is older than a year and topics has really few replies. Why this place is so empty, why people don't know about sudoku? Why don't they care?
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Re: What I see here

Postby 999_Springs » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:29 pm

hey there. going to add my quick thoughts to this

here's a little bit of sudoku history. wayne gould (pappocom) and his son popularised sudoku by bringing it into british newspapers around 2004-05 when it quickly took off, and so did these forums (originally at sudoku.com). like pretty much every fashionable thing out there, it had its share of the limelight in the media, everyone loved it, my ENTIRE year group at school were completely immersed into it, people said it would replace crosswords, and a community was built around here to discuss mainly newspaper puzzles (look through old posts and you'll find only newspaper puzzles everywhere). those who were interested kept the community going by discovering new techniques like 2005-06 was the heyday of new methods being discovered, everything was rough-around-the-edges, and the community flourished. however eventually public interest dies and people move on and become interested in other things. in particular, nobody does sudoku for any reason other than just for fun, nobody does it professionally (in contrast, there is some level of money-making involved in general puzzle solving championships where some countries like the usa will sponsor top performers to go to contests, but there is nothing like this for sudoku - the puzzle solving community and the sudoku speed-solving community hate each other).

in 2010 the site was bought by some random people who didn't know that this forum existed, accidentally got rid of it, and couldn't find it again. the community lost a lot of posts, and despite jason's efforts to scrape a 1-year-old backup from 2009, loads of people just left then or shortly after. i left in 2010 after the forum became completely dead

these forums seem to have been revived a little bit lately, there are WAY more posts here these days than i've seen in years, and i've recently become active again for the first time in 8 years or so. i'm not sure why, i think it's because all the other sudoku forums have died, eg programmers forum, but don't know

the fact is that this same sort of slow death happens to literally EVERY topic-specific forum community out there - people gain interest in it, then public interest wanes and only the dedicated members stay, and eventually leave one by one. go find a forum for any computer game that was popular in the 2000's and you'll see the same thing happening. it's not just sudoku it's literally every other fad out there

finally, the whole idea of internet forums in general is dying these days, people are using reddit/slack/discord/whatever else for their information needs instead.

suffice to say i'm genuinely surprised to find this forum has survived as long as it has done without any crash or people just leaving. i did briefly check this place out in 2014 to find it completely dead and thought that was it. it's great that it's still sort of active, and that new members like you are finding this place and keeping it going :)

This forum shares the birthdays of the members at the bottom, you can always look at it. I never see a person under 30 there.

i ABSOLUTELY guarantee you that >99.5% of these are not real people, but are spambots, who have zero posts. this sort of birthdays pattern can be seen in EVERY internet forum. not just this one. spambots like setting their birthdays on profiles so it gives them more attention when it comes up. btw i joined in 2007 when i was 13

This is the most popular sudoku forum and 20, 30 people are online, sometimes fewer.

probably 90% are spambots or webcrawlers. it's more like 0 to 3 people if you ignore the spambots

"These old music... This is gold. Look at how shite music is today..."

I yearn for the days I didn't even live in. '70s music is great, I love old classic cars

think of it like this: even in the 70's there must have been some great music, and some terrible music. but nobody remembers the terrible music, so now the only 70's songs that you hear these days are the songs considered the best, and you never hear the terrible 70's music because it died. in other words you love 70's music because only the good parts survived. same goes with cars, if old cars were terrible you wouldn't know about them
Once upon a time I was a teenager who was active on here 2007-2011
ocean and eleven should have paired up to make a sudoku-solving duo called Ocean's Eleven
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