The New Sudoku Players' Forum

[emm]

1. Re my song - this ain’t no pop pap. This is a classic! I gave you one great big clue – Bigger Bang! Here’s another – B is for Black. For those of you who are struggling here’s the second line 'Nah nah nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah nah naa-ah'.

2. Re MCC’s song - in Waltzing Matilda the swagman’s billy does not have a capital B - they were criminals not cannibals. A ‘billy’ is a tin can for boiling tea over a fire. This was a subtle tip-off. B is for Billy. This is a big clue.

3. Re the riddle – now we have a Billy and a Jenny, a male goat and a female ass - that 'sounds familiar'.

Are you a hybrid/crossbreed? A Gonkey or a Doat? With antlers - a Gonkedeer?

[MCC]

2. Re MCC’s song - in Waltzing Matilda the swagman’s billy does not have a capital B - they were criminals not cannibals. A ‘billy’ is a tin can for boiling tea over a fire.

emm I copied the verse from 'The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations' and billy definitely has a capital 'B', this may be a fault on the Oxford Dictionary's part or this was how it was written.

Click here and sing along.

This was a subtle tip-off. B is for Billy. This is a big clue.

Oh no it isn't.

3. Re the riddle – now we have a Billy and a Jenny, a male goat and a female ass - that 'sounds familiar'.

This is unintentional, the last I saw of the Ass/Donkey it was sauntering of into the sunset.

Are you a hybrid/crossbreed? A Gonkey or a Doat? With antlers - a Gonkedeer?

No.

Also forget any form of the word 'neutral'.
It's not 'enter' or 'rental donkey'.

Could Jenny refer to tea as in s/he's a real tea-jenny

No. It's not a phrase I'm familiar with.

'Heigh-Ho, Heigh-Ho it's off to work I go'.

Only a reference to going off to work, nothing else.

Does some of this sound familiar?

No need to concentrate on this at the moment, it will become relevant later on.


I'm looking for one word consisting three syllables.


MCC

[tarek]

hmmmmm,

still not clear to me......

I though of the Fairy Wren because....

neither friendly or unfriendly without you = Fairy
Jenny = Donkey but also ...wren
Waltzing Matilda = Australia
the Fairy Wren is a bird common to Australasia.....

I will try the Fairy another time (3 syllables this time)......
Jenny=Ass=Tail

so ...

I'm not sure if common use would allow this but sometimes two words with time can become one word.....

Is it Fairytale, it sort of strikes a chord with everything you said, the folksong....sounds familiar...

tarek

[jimbob]

Some random thoughts on this :

neither friendly or unfriendly without you = detached

Jenny = spinning Jenny

[MCC]

...
Jenny = Donkey but also ...wren

...Waltzing Matilda = Australia

Australia is a long long long way away.

...I will try the Fairy another time (3 syllables this time)......
Jenny=Ass=Tail

so ...

I'm not sure if common use would allow this but sometimes two words with time can become one word.....

Is it Fairytale, it sort of strikes a chord with everything you said, the folksong....sounds familiar...

Afraid not.

neither friendly or unfriendly without you = detached

Detached is not the word but it's something you should be looking to do.

Jenny = spinning Jenny

No.

neither friendly or unfriendly without you

It's staring you in the face right now. It could be said to be this

Remember you're looking for syllables to make up a word.


MCC

[emm]

Did you know that the ‘Matilda’ part of Waltzing Matilda refers to the swag the tramp carried ie it was a romantic word for his bed-roll – if he was doing this riddle he would be singing ‘being with my Matilda helps.’

Waltzing means to ‘hit the road’. Very few Australians know this, even though they love the song and sing it at the drop of a hat, so I’m not surprised if you don’t. I’m a bit surprised that the OQD made a typo on the B though – there never was a William in the picture, as far as I can tell.

Anyways, back to the riddle. To recap - NOTHING we have said so far has been correct. Nil, nix, nada, null, naught.
So here’s a different tack –

Friendly / unfriendly = a judge, referee, umpire, assessor (or has the ass been given the boot?)
‘said to be this’ = both sides - anagram (udosuk )
‘staring you in the face’ = mirror image
'sounds familiar' = echo (haven't we said that before)

So how’s about reflection?

[lunababy_moonchild]

Or render ?

[MCC]

From the Owl and the Pussy-Cat by Edward Lear.
"The Owl looked up to the stars above
And sang to a small guitar,
'O lovely Pussy! O Pussy, my love,
What a beautiful Pussy you are.'"

Is this relevant? It is to the whole.

You are looking for a single word comprising three syllables.

With the riddle you'll find three words, which when, perhaps shortened, and joined will form the 'Word'.

Luna's half right. Try comparing it to a word that has been mentioned and only half proffered, also, I believe Ruud and Tarek have half offered it in their thoughts.

This

neither friendly or unfriendly without you

With this

It's staring you in the face right now. It could be said to be this.

When I said right now, I mean right now, this instant.

So, no mirror image or echo or reflection, and alas, 'Ass' has been given the boot.

Also, many thanks to emm for her knowledge on the ways and means of the Australian hobo.


MCC

[emm]

Well I'm familiar with Australian hoboes, but not with riddles evidently... we have lots of rens -

Friendly / unfriendly without you = i = frendly / unfrendly
Right now = current
Owl & Pussycat = serenade / a songbird = wren
Sounds familiar = rendition

- but how to tie them together - that's the problem. I surrender.

[lunababy_moonchild]

Detached has something to do with it and I think that ren could be the last syllable. It's also staring you in the face, so that could be obvious - if you see what I mean

Luna

[MCC]

emm you were so close with puzzles 1 & 2 and now, on the point of getting number 3, your thinking of surrendering.

emm look to what you have and compare it with the riddle.

In fact luna, ren is the second syllable.

I was going to go with 'Headless Jenny' but didn't.
Wren without the W = ren.
That's why I went with

Does some of this sound familiar?

This also applies to the last syllable.


MCC

[emm]

I didn't really surrender, I was just fishing for a clue.

I’m in the ‘ring’ loop now (this may be heading up the garden path)

- the Owl and the Pussycat were searching for a ring
- staring you in the face = the forum
- a = without
- a = 1st & last syllables = sounds familiar

- ring / forum = arena

[Ruud]

I second emm's answer

As for that song, emm, I found "The Lassie With the Black Hairy Assey".

Ruud.

[MCC]

Warning: Rugby song alert.
Ruud is getting ruder.

Does some of this sound familiar?

The operative words are 'Some' and 'Sound familiar'.
You know it applied to the 2nd syllable which produced Ren, I also said it applied to the 3rd syllable, if it applied to the 1st syllable as well then 'Some' would not be applicable.


It isn't Arena.

Split the syllables up and see how they match the riddle.

emm when you mentioned the forum you were being too specific, what are you looking at
How are you able to do this Think 30-40 years ago. (Not that I'm saying you were around at the time)



Somewhere in my meanderings there is a clue which one of you has picked up on but failed to take further.


MCC

[jimbob]

So we have second syllable wren=ren

How about for the third syllable helps=aids=ades

So now we have ...renades

Could it be serenades?

How does this fit the first syllable clue? Thoughts here include screen or monitor or computer, which don't seem quite right.

Is this getting nearer or further from the answer?