The highest rated 19 clue puzzle

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Re: The highest rated 19 clue puzzle

Postby 999_Springs » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:35 pm

dobrichev wrote:
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I know girls who have had to deal with unwanted pregnancy in similar situations, and know what they would say about the valuable phone.

what? who leaves her BABY IN THE BACK OF A TAXI? EWWWWWWW
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coloin wrote:Well am sure 999_Springs will be able to look after his phone now that he knows ....

here is a
........4....2.5....34...6..7........2..5.1....48....3....1.7....63...8..5....... ED=10.0/1.5/1.5

nice 10.0, yeah the thing is i'm really overprotective of my stuff so it makes me so upset when i lose things

i'm currently doing a vicinity search on all the 20's in champagne's database (he says there are 79 but i looked through the file and only found 35? can someone send me all of them plz) no results so far though i'll report back if i find something nice

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mike posted an example of a 19-clue 9.8/9.8/3.8 here
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 . . . . . . . . 8   ED=9.8/9.8/3.8

this was further discussed here by blue who found a 9.9/9.9/3.8 with the same pattern
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Re: The highest rated 19 clue puzzle

Postby champagne » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:12 pm

79 in the data base, but as indicated earlier, more in my seed data base
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5.......9.2.1...7...8...3...4...2.......5.......7.6.1...3...8...6...4.2.9.......5;11.60;11.60;3.40;20
5.......9.2.1...7...8...3...4.6.........5.......2.7.1...3...8...6...4.2.9.......5;11.80;11.80;3.40;20
1....67...5.........9....4......18.37...3.6.....2...9.3....8..1..........425.....;11.30;1.50;1.50;20
...4.....4....92...8..7...12.....5...3.....68.....5....1..6........1..739....4...;11.20;11.20;2.60;20
.2.4....9..6.8....7...3.........78..........1.9.5...2.3.....6.....2...94.1......5;11.20;1.20;1.20;20
.2.4....9..6.8....7...3.........78..........1.9.5...2.3.....6.....2...95.1......4;11.20;1.20;1.20;20
.2.4....9.........8....3.5....91....6....5.7..9......23.....6...1.7....4.....8.3.;11.20;1.20;1.20;20
........94...8.2.....7...1...15......6...7...9...4...33.....8......2...4..56...7.;11.20;1.20;1.20;20
...4.....4....92...8..7..1.2.....5...3.....68.....5....1..6........1..739....4...;11.10;11.10;2.60;20
.....6.8..5.1.9.......7...42.4.......8.6...9.....3...23.2.......6.8...1.........7;11.10;11.10;2.60;20
1.....7...5...9....8.3....42...6.....9.8....5.....4..........1..4...3..87...2.6..;11.10;11.10;2.60;20
.........4....9.2...81....62.....9.......43....75....13.....6.....86......1.7...5;11.10;11.10;2.60;20
.2...67..4...8......93.........7.....7...26.1......5.2..8.9..3...........1...5..6;11.10;1.20;1.20;20
.2...6.....718.......3....5..5.3...8......49..9...4.............6....92...18....7;11.10;1.20;1.20;20
.2.4...8....1....6..9.3......5......7.....9...1.2....43...7.5...4......8...6...4.;11.10;1.20;1.20;20
1..4...8..5...9..3..........3..759.......3..6..42.......2....1..9..6...78........;11.10;1.20;1.20;20
1....67......8......92....4.4.3...9......18....5.....3..........345...2.7.....6..;11.10;1.20;1.20;20
12...6...45....1..........6...9....86....12......3..7............78....3.1...54..;11.10;1.20;1.20;20
..34....9.5..8.2.............47......1..68........28..3.......7..9....3..6...15..;11.00;1.20;1.20;20
1...56......7....3....2..6.2...9..5...83....4.4........7......86....5.9...4......;11.00;1.20;1.20;20
1....6....5.7....1..8....4..1.3....7....4.8....9....2...2.9.....6.5.1..3.........;11.00;1.20;1.20;20
.....2..14...5..3....7..6.....6....7..3.8..4......12..5...4.....6.......3.9....8.;10.80;10.80;3.40;20
.....2..14...5..3....7..6.....6....7..3.8..5......12..5...4.....7.......3.9....8.;10.80;10.80;3.40;20
1.....9...3...7.4...5.....2.....6.7.....1.....4.3.8...9.......5.7.8...3...2...1..;10.70;10.70;3.40;20
1.......2.3.4...5...6...7...5.8.9.......1.........3.4...7...6...9...5.3.2.......1;10.70;10.70;3.40;20
2...9...7.6.....3...8...4.......6......51...97...2......4...8...3.....6.9..1....2;10.70;10.70;3.40;20
1.......2.3.4...5...6...7...8.3.5.......1.........9.4...7...6...4...8.3.2.......1;10.70;10.70;3.40;20
.....2..14...5..3....7..6.....6....7..3.8..4......12..5...4.....7.......3.9....8.;10.70;10.70;3.40;20
9.......6.7...3.8...2...4.......1.3.....6.....8.5.7...6.....2...5.8...7...4.....9;10.70;10.70;3.40;20
98.7.....6.....5....4.......7.8..9......3..4......2..1.5.9..6......4..3......1..2;10.80;10.80;3.40;20
98.7.....6.....5....4......5..8..6......4..3......2..1.7.5..8......3..4......1..2;10.80;10.80;3.40;20
..1...2...4...8.9.6.......7.....3.4.....2.....8.9.5...7.......6.9.4...3...2...1..;10.70;10.70;3.40;20
..1...2...3...4.5.6.......7.....3.8.....1.....4.9.8...7.......1.5.8...4...2...6..;10.80;10.80;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4...5....2..36...1..7....8..9...4...3..4.2..7..1....9..8.....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4...5....2..6.5..7..1.4..8..9.......6..52...1..7....9..8.....;10.60;10.60;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4.3.5....3..52...1.6.....7.......8..5..9.4..8.......6..1....7;10.50;10.50;9.60;20
........1.......23..3..45....2..63...7..1....8..9.......6..2.4..1..8....9..7.....;10.50;10.50;2.60;20
........1......23...2..45....3..6.4..1..7....8..9.......6..3.2..9..8....7..1.....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
........1.....2..3..4...56...2..3.4..1..7....8..9.......3..62...7.1.....9...8....;10.60;10.60;2.60;20
........1.....2..3..4...25...3..4.6..7..1....8..9.......6..34...1..7....9..8.....;10.50;10.50;2.60;20
........1.....2.3...4...5.6..2..3.6..7..1....8..9.......3..62...9.8.....1...7....;10.60;10.60;2.60;20
........1.....2.3...4...5.6..2..6.4..1..7....8..9.......6..32...7..8....9..1.....;10.60;10.60;2.60;20
........1.....2.3...4...5.6..2..6.4..1..7....8..9.......6..52...7..8....9..1.....;10.60;10.60;2.60;20
........1.....2.3...3...4.5..2..6.5..1..7....8..9.......6..52...9.8.....7...1....;10.50;10.50;2.60;20
........1......23...4..5.6...2..6.4..7..1....8..9.......6..35...1..7....9..8.....;10.70;10.70;3.40;20
........1......23...4..5.6...3..6.5..1..7....8..9.......6..34...9..1....7..8.....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
........1......23...4..5.6...3..7.4..6..8....9..1.......7..35...8..6....1..9.....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
........1......23...4..5.6...2..3.5..1..7....8..9.......6..24...7..1....9..8.....;10.60;10.60;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4...56...2..34...1..7....8..9.......3..6.2..7.1.....9...8....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4...56...2..54...7..1....8..9.......5..6.2..1..7....9..8.....;10.60;10.60;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4...56...3..6.2..1..7....8..9.......6..34...9..1....7..8.....;10.60;10.60;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4...56...2..64...1..7....8..9.......6..3.2..9.8.....7...1....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4...56...2..64...7..1....8..9.......6..3.2..1.8.....9...7....;10.60;10.60;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4...56...2..64...7..1....8..9.......6..3.2..1.7.....9...8....;10.60;10.60;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4...56...3..42...1..7....8..9.......5..3.4..9.8.....7...1....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4...56...3..42...1..7....8..9.......5..3.4..7..1....9..8.....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
...........1..2..3.4..5..6.......1.7..7..32...8.....5...3..19..4..8.....6..4.....;10.90;10.90;2.60;20
........1......23...2..4.5...4..65...1..7....8..9.......6..2.4..7..1....9..8.....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4...52...2..54...1..6....7..8.......5..4.9..6..7....8..1.....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4...52...2..4.6..7..1....8..9.......3..64...9.7.....1...8....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
..............1.23..4.5.6......7.5.....4......8...2.9...76......2...9.1.93......8;10.50;10.50;2.60;20
........1.....2.3...4....25..5..4.6..7..1....8..9.......6..54...9.7.....1...8....;10.60;10.60;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...3...45...2..3.6..7..1....8..9.......6..52...9.7.....1...8....;10.60;10.60;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...3...45...4..3.6..1..7....8..9.......6..42...9.1.....7...8....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...3...45...2..46...1..7....8..9.......4..6.2..7..1....9..8.....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
..............1.23..4.5.6.....5..7....564.....8...2.....69..5...3......88......1.;11.20;11.20;2.60;20
........1.....2.3...3...42...2..5.6..1..7....8..9.......5..62...7..1....9..8.....;10.60;10.60;3.40;20
........1.....2.3...4....56..2..34...7..1....8..9.......3..4.6..1..7....9..8.....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
...........1..2..3.4..5..6.........7...64..5..7.58......9...2...5.7...8.3.......1;10.90;1.20;1.20;20
..............1..2..3.4.56.....5.6....6...47..8......9..5.6..3..2...9...1..8.....;10.70;10.70;3.40;20
..............1..2..3.4.56.......67...7.3..4..8......9..6.5.4...1.8.....9....2...;10.90;1.20;1.20;20
........1.......2...3..45.6..1..73...5..2....8..9.......7..64...2..5....9..8.....;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
........1.......2...1..34.5..3..65...2..7....8..9.......4..16...7..2....9..8.....;10.50;10.50;3.80;20
...........1..2..3.4..5..6.........7...68.....7.54..8...3...9...8.7...5.2.......1;11.10;1.20;1.20;20
...............123..4..5..6..1..34...7..2....8..9.......3..6..5.2..7....9..8.....;10.50;10.50;2.60;20
98.7.....76....5......5....6..8..9....4.3..2...........5.6..7......2..1......4..3;10.90;1.20;1.20;20
98.7..6..75...........6....5..8..9....4.3..2...........6.5..8......2...1.....4.3.;11.10;1.20;1.20;20
1.....7...6...3.9...4.....5.....9.6.....4.....8.3.2...5.......1.9.6...8...7...4..;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
9..7.....8.7...6...5.......4..6..9......3..5......2..1..69..7......1..3......5..2;10.50;10.50;3.40;20
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Re: The highest rated 19 clue puzzle

Postby ghfick » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:21 pm

I may be slightly off topic here but these puzzles [starting with the 9.5 and before champagne's list] each have a 3x3 MSLS [with no extra cells needed]. I cannot recall ever seeing such 'small' MSLS's with only 9 cells and 9 digit covers. Philip Beeby's MSLS list does include some 3x3's but they all needed extra cells. Would these 3x3 MSLS examples be the smallest? Could there be a 3x2 or a 2x2?
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Re: The highest rated 19 clue puzzle

Postby ghfick » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:10 pm

I have now found one of these puzzles with 2 [count em 2! different] 3x3 MSLS moves :
.1..2..3.4..5..6............3..7..1.6..4..5............2..1..7.8..6..9..........8
I cannot recall ever seeing a puzzle with 2 different MSLS moves [of any size!]. Each MSLS has 25 exclusions and they are all different.
Using Philip Beeby's solver :
Base: 237
9 cell Truths: r147 c147
9 links: 7r1, 2r4, 3r7, 59c1, 89c4, 48c7
25 eliminations: r1c3<>7, r1c6<>7, r1c9<>7, r4c3<>2, r4c6<>2, r4c9<>2, r7c3<>3, r7c6<>3, r7c9<>3, r3c1<>5, r3c1<>9, r6c1<>5, r6c1<>9, r9c1<>5, r9c1<>9, r3c4<>8, r3c4<>9, r6c4<>8, r6c4<>9, r9c4<>9, r3c7<>4, r3c7<>8, r6c7<>4, r6c7<>8, r9c7<>4
Base: 237
9 cell Truths: c258 r258
9 links: 89r2, 89r5, 45r8, 7c2, 3c5, 2c8
25 eliminations: r2c3<>8, r2c3<>9, r2c6<>8, r2c6<>9, r2c9<>9, r5c3<>8, r5c3<>9, r5c6<>8, r5c6<>9, r5c9<>9, r8c3<>4, r8c3<>5, r8c6<>4, r8c6<>5, r8c9<>4, r8c9<>5, r3c2<>7, r6c2<>7, r9c2<>7, r3c5<>3, r6c5<>3, r9c5<>3, r3c8<>2, r6c8<>2, r9c8<>2
Allan Barker's XSudo also finds these two moves [with different namings but, I think, the same logic]. The first is called a 'Complex Rank 0 Loop' and the second is called a 'Multi ALS + Cell Loop'
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Postby Pat » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:37 am

Pat wrote:prenyast

otokorekt ?

999_Springs wrote:

thanks!!
( another reminder of my failing memory )
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