Swordfsh help

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Swordfsh help

Postby Pupp » Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:56 pm

Anybody know where I can get a few Swordfish puzzles? I've been having trouble finding that pattern in puzzles, and it seems to be rather uncommon with the puzzle level I'm currently on. About the only way I can know for sure if a puzzle has a swordfish in it, is if I get so stuck, I end up plugging the puzzle into solver, and then the puzzles usually end up having other, more difficult, patterns in them.

Perhaps 25 puzzles should do the trick. Although I could download a collection too.

I mentioned in a different thread I was having trouble with Turbot Fish, but really I'm having trouble even with the standard Swordfish pattern. It would be easier to learn if I knew in advance the puzzle had a single Swordfish as the most difficult technique.
Pupp
 
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby 1to9only » Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:30 pm

From http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/post294183.html#p294183:
Swordfish -> ED=3.8 ===> x7 swordfishes!
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From the Patterns Game, all the Swordfish diamonds to date -> ED=3.8/3.8/3.8 - the first step is a Swordfish.
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1..2......3...4.....5.6.7..2.....8....8.4...5.4...3.7...96..3.7.....7.26....5.18. # 0269  39    3.8/3.8/3.8 - dobrichev
1..23.4..5..4......3...6.2.2.....6...5..6..1...7.....8.8.7...9......9..3..9.24..5 # 0270  42    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.....1..2..34..5...4..6..7..8......9..2.8.1..9....2.3..7..4..5...8..79..1..3..... # 0271  45    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.....1..2...3...1...4.5.6....3....277...8...392....5....1.9.7...3...4...8..6..... # 0272  69    3.8/3.8/3.8 - dobrichev
..12......3..4..1.5.....4.67..3.8.4.....7.....8.6.4..23.8.....7.2..8..5......19.. # 0273  36    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.....1..2..13......4..2.....5.2....6..3.4.1..7....8.9..6..9..4...9..63..8..7..... # 0274  49    3.8/3.8/3.8 - dobrichev
.....1..2..34..5...6..7..4..7.8....9..8...4..9....2.1..3..5..6...1..93..8..1..... # 0275  38    3.8/3.8/3.8 - ssxsssxs
1....2..3..3....4..5..6.7.......62..4...7...1..61.......8.3..7..2....5..7..4....8 # 0276  38    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.....1..2..34..5...1..6..7..8......4..1...9..2....9.5..7..2..8...8..53..4..9..... # 0277  46    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
1...2.....3.4...5...6...2...6...5...7...1...2...8...3...9...7...5...6.8.....3...1 # 0278  13    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
1..2....3.4..5..6...7...5..8....2.7..3..4.1.....1.......2.8.....6.5...499......3. # 0280  28    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
1..2....3.2..4..5...6...2..4....1.7..5..8.6.....3.......7.5.1...8.6....93......4. # 0282  37    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
1..2....3.4.....5...6..7...3..1.28......4......86.9..2...3..5...5.....7.9....6..8 # 0283  12    3.8/3.8/3.8 - joel64
1..8......3..4......5..69..7..4..1...8..7..3...2..5..6..91..2......3..6......8..9 # 0284  33    3.8/3.8/3.8 - JPF
..46....1.....48..5......3.1..9...2.....5.....8...2..6.4......3..31...5.9....82.. # 0285  14    3.8/3.8/3.8 - Pat
1....23...4..5..6...73....4..46.8...............5.92..8....35...2..8..9...61....7 # 0289  26    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
1...2...3.4.1...5...6...7....5..8....3..1..4....7..8....9...6...2...5.9.7...8...2 # 0292  23    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
1....23...4..5..6...78....9..23........1.6........56..8....72...7..4..9...95....1 # 0293  22    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
1..2......3..4.5....4..6.7.2..8...6..9..2...8..3...4...6...37....57.........8...9 # 0294  44    3.8/3.8/3.8 - Patrice
8....7..4..1....6..2..3.9.......4.5.7.......1.3.7.......4.9..2..6....3..5..8....9 # 0296  24    3.8/3.8/3.8 - enxio27
1.....2...3..4..1....5....6..54.7.6.....8.....9.1.23..4....3....2..7..5...8.....1 # 0297  27    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.......12..3..1..4.1..4.5....1.6..7..5...28..6..3.......8..4.3..9..7.6..7..5..... # 0300  34    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
1....23...4..5..6...78....9..2.7.......1.6.......2.6..8....75...7..4..9...93....1 # 0301  33    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
..12..3...2...45..6...7...84...5...1..37..4...9...6...87..2.1.........84..63...5. # 0302  40    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
...1......2..3..4.4.5...6..5..7.6.1.....8.....7.2.3..5..4...9.3.9..2..7......8... # 0304  50    3.8/3.8/3.8 - champagne
1....2.3..2.4....5....3.4...5.6....1..7.8.5..4....3.7...1.6....7....1.9..6.9....4 # 0307   7    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.1..2.3..4..5....1..6....7..8.4.67..3....8..6...37....2..1....9..4....5..5..3.8.. # 0309  41    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
..12.....2....3....4..5..6.6..7...1...2.8.7...8...9..5.5..9..2....1....7.....43.. # 0311  64    3.8/3.8/3.8 - champagne
1..2....3....1.4....56...2.2.3.7...8.6.8..7.......5....9..3.6....7....1.4..9....5 # 0312  24    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
1....23...4..5..6...23....7..8.79....6.2.....5..8..4..8....6..3.7.....2...9...8.. # 0314  21    3.8/3.8/3.8 - papy999
1...2.3....34....2.5...6.7..8..1.5..6..8....4..9....8.4..7..1....6..9....9..4...8 # 0315  44    3.8/3.8/3.8 - dobrichev
.1..2...34..5..6....7..8....6..3.9..8..2....7..9....1..3.1..8.......2.4.1...7...2 # 0317  34    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
1..2...3..45.....6.3....7..8..7..6......9.........6..5..78..1..6......2..9...5..3 # 0318  15    3.8/3.8/3.8 - papy999
6..2....9..2.1.4...3...4.6.2..1....4.1..2.5....5..3....5..6.8....7....3.9..8....1 # 0320  10    3.8/3.8/3.8 - Pat
1...4...5.5.2..9....9..6.3..3..2...75..7..8....1..4....1..7.3....8....5.6..1....4 # 0324  36    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.12......3...4....5..6...7...74...8..9..8...5.....39.......26....81...2.....5...3 # 0326  12    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
1....23...2..4..5...67....2..835.....7.4.....3....19..4....8..1.6.....7...9...5.. # 0327  28    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
.1..2...33..4..5....6..7.1..2..4...84..2..3....3..6....5..7.6....1....7.8..9....5 # 0328  34    3.8/3.8/3.8 - Robbie
..1...2...3...4..54..2...3...53...6.6...7...8.8...24...7...1..91..5...7...6...8.. # 0329  35    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.1......23....4.5.....6.7.....3...8...9.5.4...2...1.....4.2.1...5.8....37......6. # 0330  21    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
..1..2....2..3..4.5..6....71....6.7...6.5.3...8.7....13....8..5.4..2..8....9..7.. # 0335  35    3.8/3.8/3.8 - Robbie
1....93...6..4..9...98....1..467.....8.25....7.....2..3....5..9.9.....6...1...7.. # 0339  35    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
..21...4.....2.5..9....3..27..9....3.6..4.1....5....7..3..7....4....6.9...15....6 # 0340  44    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
...........1.5.4...5.7.3.2...6...8...8.197.3...3.6.1...2.5.9.1...4.2.3........... # 0341   7    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
.1..4.8....5..1.6..3......4..29...3....8....9....74...9....2.5..8....6.7..1...... # 0342  13    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
..123.....4....3...2...5.6...67..2......1......5..84...3.4...7...9....5.....671.. # 0343  19    3.8/3.8/3.8 - Robbie
.1.2....3....3..4...5...6...7...1.....6....8.9..3....2....5.1..4....6..9.5.7..... # 0344   7    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.....1..2..34..5...5..6..7..8......4..7.8.9..2......5..7..2..1...9..53..4..1..... # 0345  28    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.1.3..4..5.......8..6..4.1.3...8.5.....4....2..7....6.9..6....3..2..5.7..8..1.2.. # 0346  33    3.8/3.8/3.8 - dinev
...........1.2.3...3.4.5.1...2...6...7.2.8.4...8.6.9...8.7.3.5...9.1.7........... # 0348   2    3.8/3.8/3.8 - Robbie
.1...5..86..2...5...2...3...9..2...5...6.9...2...3..1...3...6...4...8..21..7...8. # 0350  18    3.8/3.8/3.8 - dinev
1....9..4.2..3.6.....8...9...61....2.4..8.3..7....6....8..5.7....3....1.2..9....5 # 0351  41    3.8/3.8/3.8 - dinev
1..2......2..3......4..56..7..6..8...3.....1...2..3..4..64..9......1..4......2..5 # 0352  22    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.....1..2..3.2.4...5.4...6...78...2.8...6...9.9...73...8...3.5...9.4.1..3..7..... # 0353  44    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
...........1.2.3...3.4.5.2...51..6...7...6.8...3.5.9...5.8.9.6...7.3.1..........4 # 0354  31    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
1....23...4..1...2..54...6...6.3.......7.5.......2.8...3...75..9...4..1...86....7 # 0355  36    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
..12....3....4.2..2....5.6.4..3....1.5..7.8....8....3..3..6.4....9..1.7.8..5....9 # 0356  20    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
46.1.38..9.......6....4..3.7.....2....5..2.9.1...3...86..7..9....9.2.....8...4..1 # 0358  13    3.8/3.8/3.8 - Pat
........1..2..34..5...6..2..7.5.4..8..4.1.5..1..7.6.4..8..7...3..36..9..2........ # 0359  11    3.8/3.8/3.8 - SCLT
.1......23....45....6.7..8....2...6...4.9.3...7...3.....5.1.9...8.6....72......1. # 0361  29    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
1.......2.3.....4...5..67..8....91....62......7..3.....8..7.9....25...3.4....1..8 # 0362  20    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.1..2.3..4..5....1..6....7..4...8.9.8...4...7...6..4..5....3..2..98...6..7..5.1.. # 0363  36    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.....1.2.....3...4..56..7....4..5..8.2.....3.7..8..1....9..76..3...1.....1.2..... # 0364  24    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
..1.......2...3.4.5..4..6....78.2..6.8..6..7.9..7.13....5..8..1.7.2...3.......4.. # 0365  48    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
...1.......2.3.4...5...2.6..1...57....8.6.9....48...3..3.4...1...5.8.2.......9... # 0366   3    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
..12..3...4...31..5...1...63...2...1..56..7...8...9...72..9.5.........4...48....9 # 0368  23    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
.1......23...4..5...65..7....7..6..3.5.....4....2..8....2..56...4..9....9..1..... # 0369  18    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
1...2.3...3...4..5..23...4...6.4.1..2..1....7.1...7...8..9....2..5....9..2..7.8.6 # 0373  40    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
...1...2.....3...4..5..23..6....5..3.4.....1...78..9....8..95..3...4.....1.2..... # 0374  13    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
1..2..3.4.5..6..1...2..1..67..6..4...1..8..3...5..7..85..8..9...4..9..7.2.9..6..3 # 0375  29    3.8/3.8/3.8 - JPF
........1..1..2..3.3.4...5...67.4..2.2..3..8.4..2.86...1...5.9.2..8..5..9........ # 0377  28    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
.1......23....45....5.6..7.4..8...5...9.2.4...7...1.....2.1.9.....7....68....9.1. # 0378  33    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
..1...2...3...4.5.4...6...7..38.9..5....2....7..5.63..1...8...2.8.7...1...9...5.. # 0382  51    3.8/3.8/3.8 - dinev
1....23...4..3..5...31....4..6.71....8.2...7.5..8..9..8....4..2.9..2..8...5...4.. # 0384  23    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
...1....2....2..3...4..56..7..5..8...3.....9...2..4..1..93..4...1..9....8....7... # 0386  59    3.8/3.8/3.8 + 1to9only
..1...2...3..4..1.2.5..1..6...7...2.1...3...7.8...4...6..5..3.2.2..9..8...3...7.. # 0387  49    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.1.2.....2...3......4..56..7..8..1...3.....8...5..3..7..91..2......8..7......6..1 # 0390  26    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
.....1..2..1.3.4..53.....1...3..5..6.7..4..8.6..7..9...6.....59..7.9.1..2..3..... # 0391  30    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
4....9....5..3..4...37..2....7..8..9.3.....6.8.....5..9....54......6..1...82....5 # 0392  45    3.8/3.8/3.8 - JPF
..4..5....3..9...16..2...9..5.1....6..8.2.1..1....7.2..8...4..93...8..7....7..6.. # 0394  48    3.8/3.8/3.8 - JPF
1.23..........2...4...5.6..6..7..8....3.2...4.9.....1...74..5.......1..3....6..4. # 0396  39    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
..1...2...3...4...2..5....6..57.3.8.4...1...3.7.4.89..8....9..2...3...6...6...1.. # 0397  42    3.8/3.8/3.8 - m_b_metcalf
.1....2..3..45...6..7....4..4.8....9.2..7...5.....5...8.....7....9....6..5.38...1 # 0398  38    3.8/3.8/3.8 - 1to9only
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby Pupp » Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:55 pm

Thanks.

I bookmarked that page you mentioned.

On the very first puzzle, it looks like "6" is swordfish number. Is that correct?

1..2..3...4..1..5...6..5..46..7..4...1..2..8...9..1..65..1..9...9..7..4...1..8..2 # 0016 9 3.8/3.8/3.8 - TTHsieh
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby mith » Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:34 pm

It's SE. ED is Explainer Diamond, I assume. (ER is Explainer Rating, EP is Explainer Pearl.) Someone who has been here longer can explain why the standard became using ED= when listing all three. :)
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby Pupp » Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:38 pm

mith wrote:It's SE. ED is Explainer Diamond, I assume. (ER is Explainer Rating, EP is Explainer Pearl.) Someone who has been here longer can explain why the standard became using ED= when listing all three. :)


I found the thread about Acronyms. I posted that it would be good to sticky that thread. http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/list-of-acronyms-t37137.html

That thread answers many questions that get asked frequently in the forum about what this acronym or that acronym stands for.
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby 1to9only » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:21 pm

1to9only wrote:
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1..2..3...4..1..5...6..5..46..7..4...1..2..8...9..1..65..1..9...9..7..4...1..8..2 # 0016   9    3.8/3.8/3.8 - TTHsieh

The line format is:
Code: Select all
1..2..3...4..1..5...6..5..46..7..4...1..2..8...9..1..65..1..9...9..7..4...1..8..2 # 0016   9    3.8/3.8/3.8 - TTHsieh
                                                                                    |      |    |             |
                                                                                    |      |    |             Puzzle submitter
                                                                                    |      |    |
                                                                                    |      |    Puzzle rating
                                                                                    |      |
                                                                                    |      Puzzle number (within game)
                                                                                    |
                                                                                    Patterns Game number


There is one Swordfish in the above puzzle.

Yes. Swordfish: Cells r1c5,r1c8,r7c2,r7c5,r7c8,r9c2,r9c5,r9c8: 6 in 3 columns and 3 rows
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby 1to9only » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:30 pm

mith wrote:It's SE. ED is Explainer Diamond, I assume. (ER is Explainer Rating, EP is Explainer Pearl.) Someone who has been here longer can explain why the standard became using ED= when listing all three. :)

Somewhere in the first post of http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/patterns-game-t6290.html:
g.r.emlin wrote:Puzzle submission posts must be in 9x9 grid form with the ER/EP/ED ratings as ED=floating-point-number/floating-point-number/floating-point-number, EP=floating-point-number/floating-point-number/floating-point-number, or ER=floating-point-number/floating-point-number/floating-point-number, but no other adornments.

In the Patterns Game, most people post as ED=xx/xx/xx.
In these threads, I've seen ED=xx/xx/xx, ER=xx/xx/xx and SER=xx/xx/xx.
I think we all understand them to mean Sudoku Explainer ratings.
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby Pupp » Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:24 pm

1to9only wrote:
1to9only wrote:
Code: Select all
1..2..3...4..1..5...6..5..46..7..4...1..2..8...9..1..65..1..9...9..7..4...1..8..2 # 0016   9    3.8/3.8/3.8 - TTHsieh

The line format is:
Code: Select all
1..2..3...4..1..5...6..5..46..7..4...1..2..8...9..1..65..1..9...9..7..4...1..8..2 # 0016   9    3.8/3.8/3.8 - TTHsieh
                                                                                    |      |    |             |
                                                                                    |      |    |             Puzzle submitter
                                                                                    |      |    |
                                                                                    |      |    Puzzle rating
                                                                                    |      |
                                                                                    |      Puzzle number (within game)
                                                                                    |
                                                                                    Patterns Game number


There is one Swordfish in the above puzzle.

Yes. Swordfish: Cells r1c5,r1c8,r7c2,r7c5,r7c8,r9c2,r9c5,r9c8: 6 in 3 columns and 3 rows


Thanks. What does the "Patterns Game Number" mean?
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby 1to9only » Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:36 pm

Pupp wrote:Thanks. What does the "Patterns Game Number" mean?

For info on the Patterns Game, see 1st post of http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/patterns-game-t6290.html

From my archives:
puzzles with 6 Swordfishes:
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.1...2..37..4...6...4.......2...8..1.........6..7...9.......3...3...1..29..6...7.  x6 # 0077  32    4.0/4.0/3.4
.1...2..34..5...7...8.......2...6..1.........9..4...8.......4...6...1..25..8...9.  x6 # 0077  36    8.0/7.2/3.8

puzzles with 5 Swordfishes:
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.1...2..34..5...8...7.......3...1..8.........6..7...5.......2...4...3..15..6...7.  x5 # 0077  20    8.3/8.3/3.8
.1...2..37..3...6...9.......2...8..9.........6..7...5.......5...8...1..25..6...7.  x5 # 0077  47    4.4/3.8/3.8
.1...2..37..3...6...9.......2...8..9.........6..7...5.......5...8...9..15..6...7.  x5 # 0077  49    6.6/3.8/3.8
.1...2..34..5...6...2.......3...1..6.........7..4...8.......5...2...3..18..7...4.  x5 # 0077  50    6.7/3.8/3.8
.....86...5..2..3....9....7..85......3...6...7...4..2.9.....4...2...3.5...6.....8  x5 # 0086  21    9.2/9.2/3.4
1..2...34......5.2.....561...7..64...8..4....2..8....9..6..7....7..8....4..9....3  x5 # 0118 155    6.8/4.2/3.4
..1..2..3....1..4.5..6..7....4..3..7.8.....3.9..5..8....9..4..5.1..2....8..7..2..  x5 # 0124 177    6.2/6.2/3.4
1....2.3..4.5....6....7.2...6.7....8..1.2.9..3....8.1...9.3....6....7.8..5.6....9  x5 # 0307  71    6.2/3.8/3.8
1....2.3..3.4....5....3.2...5.1....6..3.6.5..7....5.2...7.4....8....7.1..4.6....9  x5 # 0307 109    5.2/5.2/3.4
...........1.2.3...4.5.6.7...8...5...5.469.8...6...2...7.6.8.9...3.7.8...........  x5 # 0323  40    5.7/3.8/2.6
...........9.4.5...4.2.3.6...3...6...6.172.3...8...7...3.6.4.7...5.8.4...........  x5 # 0323  54    5.0/2.3/2.3
...........1.2.3...4.5.6.2...9...2...3.467.5...5.8.6...2.6.3.7...3.9.8...........  x5 # 0341  28    5.4/5.4/2.6
...........1.7.3...3.6.4.5...9...7...6.2.9.8...8.3.6...4.8.5.2...6.1.8...........  x5 # 0348  57    6.9/6.9/2.6

It seems Patterns Game 0077 was good for Swordfishes!
Game 0077 start: http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/post69070.html#p69070
Game 0077 results: http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/post69096.html#p69096
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby mith » Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:21 am

A lot of the puzzles I've posted have a bunch of swordfish. The Tatooine ones in particular, for the most part. (Not today's, though.)
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby Pupp » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:24 pm

mith wrote:It's SE. ED is Explainer Diamond, I assume. (ER is Explainer Rating, EP is Explainer Pearl.) Someone who has been here longer can explain why the standard became using ED= when listing all three. :)


Just curious, but how does one actually use Sudoku Explorer to figure out a puzzle is a diamond or a pearl?
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby 1to9only » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:48 pm

Pupp wrote:Just curious, but how does one actually use Sudoku Explorer to figure out a puzzle is a diamond or a pearl?

If you have a bunch of puzzles in a text file, e.g puzzles.txt:
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.1...2..37..4...6...2.......2...3..1.........6..7...5.......5...3...1..89..6...7.
.1...2..37..4...6...4.......2...8..1.........6..7...5.......3...3...1..29..6...7.

On the Command Line, run this:
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 java.exe -Xrs -Xmx500m -cp SudokuExplainer.jar diuf.sudoku.test.serate --format="%g ED=%r/%p/%d" --input=puzzles.txt --output=puzzles.rated.txt

File puzzles.rated.txt will have the puzzle ratings:
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.1...2..37..4...6...2.......2...3..1.........6..7...5.......5...3...1..89..6...7. ED=6.9/4.0/3.4
.1...2..37..4...6...4.......2...8..1.........6..7...5.......3...3...1..29..6...7. ED=7.0/4.0/3.4
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby Pupp » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:21 pm

1to9only wrote:
Pupp wrote:Just curious, but how does one actually use Sudoku Explorer to figure out a puzzle is a diamond or a pearl?

If you have a bunch of puzzles in a text file, e.g puzzles.txt:
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.1...2..37..4...6...2.......2...3..1.........6..7...5.......5...3...1..89..6...7.
.1...2..37..4...6...4.......2...8..1.........6..7...5.......3...3...1..29..6...7.

On the Command Line, run this:
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 java.exe -Xrs -Xmx500m -cp SudokuExplainer.jar diuf.sudoku.test.serate --format="%g ED=%r/%p/%d" --input=puzzles.txt --output=puzzles.rated.txt

File puzzles.rated.txt will have the puzzle ratings:
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.1...2..37..4...6...2.......2...3..1.........6..7...5.......5...3...1..89..6...7. ED=6.9/4.0/3.4
.1...2..37..4...6...4.......2...8..1.........6..7...5.......3...3...1..29..6...7. ED=7.0/4.0/3.4


Ok. Thanks.
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby mith » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:26 pm

You can also step through it in the GUI, if you're uncomfortable with command line. The first technique used will be the diamond rating, then you just need to keep track of how high the rating gets before it finds a single to get the pearl rating.
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Re: Swordfsh help

Postby Pupp » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:03 pm

1to9only wrote:
1to9only wrote:
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1..2..3...4..1..5...6..5..46..7..4...1..2..8...9..1..65..1..9...9..7..4...1..8..2 # 0016   9    3.8/3.8/3.8 - TTHsieh

The line format is:
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1..2..3...4..1..5...6..5..46..7..4...1..2..8...9..1..65..1..9...9..7..4...1..8..2 # 0016   9    3.8/3.8/3.8 - TTHsieh
                                                                                    |      |    |             |
                                                                                    |      |    |             Puzzle submitter
                                                                                    |      |    |
                                                                                    |      |    Puzzle rating
                                                                                    |      |
                                                                                    |      Puzzle number (within game)
                                                                                    |
                                                                                    Patterns Game number


There is one Swordfish in the above puzzle.

Yes. Swordfish: Cells r1c5,r1c8,r7c2,r7c5,r7c8,r9c2,r9c5,r9c8: 6 in 3 columns and 3 rows


What file format is that? I was trying to find a website that does a better job explaining how to read those, and what the various numbers signify.
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