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Postby claudiarabia » Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:07 pm

JPF wrote:How many solutions ?

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 . . . . . . . . .
 . . 5 7 9 3 . . .
 . 2 6 . . . 9 . .
 . 8 . . . . 4 . .
 . . . . . 1 6 . .
 . . . . 5 6 . . .
 . . . 8 . . . . .
 . . 3 . . . . . .
 . 4 1 5 2 9 8 6 .


:)

A great Idea. That's the only thing multiple solutions shall be allowed. But above 30 solutions it could become a problem.:)
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Postby daj95376 » Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:17 pm

After basic techniques, there are a number of assignments that result in a cascade of singles to finish the puzzle. Here's one.

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. . . . . . . . 9
. . . . . 3 . 6 .
. . 1 5 7 . 4 . .
4 . 8 . . . 2 . .
. 9 . . 8 . . 3 .
. . 5 . . . 7 . 1
. . 4 . 2 8 1 . .
. 1 . 6 . . . . .
3 . . . . . . . .

[r8c3]=7 => { [r8c6]=4, [r5c3]=2 } => [c4]=INVALID for <17> => [r8c3]=2
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Postby ronk » Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:01 pm

daj95376 wrote:After basic techniques, there are a number of backdoor singles available to solve this puzzle. Here's one.

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. . . . . . . . 9
. . . . . 3 . 6 .
. . 1 5 7 . 4 . .
4 . 8 . . . 2 . .
. 9 . . 8 . . 3 .
. . 5 . . . 7 . 1
. . 4 . 2 8 1 . .
. 1 . 6 . . . . .
3 . . . . . . . .

[r8c3]=7 => { [r8c6]=4, [r5c3]=2 } => [c4]=INVALID for <17> => [r8c3]=2

The ALS xz-rule makes that same placement.
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 257  2457 3    |  248  46   246  | 58   1    9
 25   245  9    |  1248 14   3    | 58   6    7
 68   68   1    |  5    7    9    | 4    2    3
----------------+-----------------+---------------
 4    367  8    | B17   136  167  | 2    9    5
 1    9    27   | B27   8    5    | 6    3    4
 26   236  5    |  9    346  246  | 7    8    1
----------------+-----------------+---------------
 9    57   4    |  3    2    8    | 1    57   6
 2578 1   A27   |  6    9   A47   | 3    457  28
 3    28   6    | B147  5    147  | 9    47   28

 Sets: A = {r8c36} = {247}
       B = {r459c4} = {1247}
       x = 4, z = 2, implying r5c3<>2 and r8c3=2

At least one of r8c6<>4 and r9c4<>4 must be true. If r8c6<>4, the digits 27 are locked in set A. If r9c4<>4, the digits 127 are locked in set B. Therefore any 2s candidates that "see" all the 2s in both sets A and B may be excluded.
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Postby Havard » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:18 pm

My favorite shape so far was posted here a while ago by Fermion: http://sudokuarchitect.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1916

He has done the other suits too!:)

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A sudoku with no seeds at the edges

Postby claudiarabia » Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:45 pm

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. . . . . . . . .
. 8 6 . 2 . 9 7 .
. 2 . 9 . . 5 1 .
. 1 8 3 . . . 6 .
. . . . 4 . . . .
. 5 . . . 8 2 3 .
. 3 7 . . 4 . 5 .
. 9 2 . 6 . 4 8
. . . . . . . . .


I couldn't get a more difficult level without seeds in the edge. Did somebody?

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Postby RW » Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:56 pm

claudiarabia wrote:I couldn't get a more difficult level without seeds in the edge. Did somebody?


I'm not quite sure what you mean with 'difficult level without seeds in the edge', but if you want harder puzzles with the pattern, here's a few:

Hard, but solvable for a human (and minimal):
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 *-----------*
 |...|...|...|
 |.83|.7.|91.|
 |.2.|9..|57.|
 |---+---+---|
 |.67|5..|.9.|
 |...|.4.|...|
 |.5.|..1|23.|
 |---+---+---|
 |.35|..2|.8.|
 |.72|.9.|36.|
 |...|...|...|
 *-----------*


Harder, but solvable for a carcul:
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 *-----------*
 |...|...|...|
 |.85|.7.|24.|
 |.2.|3..|51.|
 |---+---+---|
 |.17|2..|.9.|
 |...|.6.|...|
 |.5.|..8|47.|
 |---+---+---|
 |.38|..4|.2.|
 |.71|.9.|38.|
 |...|...|...|
 *-----------*


Drop the redundant clue and the easiest move in the starting grid is a naked/hidden quad:

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..........85...24..2.3..51..172...9.....6.....5...847..38..4.2..71.9.38..........


Finally I tried to chop a bit from the middle and the corners, preserving symmetry, but couldn't find any hard ones there:

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 *-----------*
 |...|...|...|
 |..9|.8.|2..|
 |.2.|4..|56.|
 |---+---+---|
 |.15|7..|.8.|
 |...|...|...|
 |.4.|..9|63.|
 |---+---+---|
 |.68|..4|.1.|
 |..1|.9.|7..|
 |...|...|...|
 *-----------*


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Postby JPF » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:16 pm

RW, I was just about to post this one :

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 . . . | . . . | . . .
 . 1 7 | . 2 . | 3 9 .
 . 9 . | 5 . . | 2 1 .
-------+-------+-------
 . 5 3 | 2 . . | . 4 .
 . . . | . 7 . | . . .
 . 4 . | . . 9 | 8 3 .
-------+-------+-------
 . 7 4 | . . 3 | . 8 .
 . 3 6 | . 4 . | 9 7 .
 . . . | . . . | . . .


or this one :

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 . . . | . . . | . . .
 . 3 8 | . 2 . | 6 9 .
 . 2 . | 9 . . | 1 4 .
-------+-------+-------
 . 4 5 | 8 . . | . 2 .
 . . . | . 9 . | . . .
 . 9 . | . . 1 | 4 6 .
-------+-------+-------
 . 6 1 | . . 9 | . 3 .
 . 5 4 | . 3 . | 9 8 .
 . . . | . . . | . . .



and
an "included" pattern (easy 18 stepper) :

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 . . . . . . . . .
 . 7 8 . . . 1 2 .
 . 4 . 3 . . 5 6 .
 . 3 5 8 . . . . .
 . . . . . . . . .
 . . . . . 2 9 7 .
 . 2 4 . . 7 . 1 .
 . 8 6 . . . 2 3 .
 . . . . . . . . .



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Postby claudiarabia » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:48 am

RW wrote:
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 *-----------*
 |...|...|...|
 |.85|...|24.|
 |.2.|3..|51.|
 |---+---+---|
 |.17|2..|.9.|
 |...|.6.|...|
 |.5.|..8|47.|
 |---+---+---|
 |.38|..4|.2.|
 |.71|.9.|38.|
 |...|...|...|
 *-----------*

Drop the redundant clue and the easiest move in the starting grid is a naked/hidden quad:
RW


Thank you for this one. Though without symmetry a great puzzle. Sudoku Explainer rates it with 8,3! And quads aren't that much to start with in other puzzles.

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a kind of butterfly

Postby claudiarabia » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:21 pm

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. 2 4 . . . 8 6 .
. 8 . 7 . 5 4 . .
. 9 . . 4 8 . 1 .
. . . 2 . 3 . . .
. 4 . 1 7 . . 3 .
. . 2 3 . 6 . 8 .
. 3 9 . . . 7 2 .
. . . . . . . . .

For the lovers of turbot fisch and forcing X-chain. R5c6 can be omitted.

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Postby daj95376 » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:54 pm

Claudia,

Did you catch the UR Type 1 on <58>? It eliminates the XY-Chain and make both variants of this puzzle have identical solutions.

[Update:] It occurs to me that you might be using an XY-Chain where Simple Sudoku chose to use Multi-Coloring. If so, then the UR Type 1 wouldn't affect your solution. I'm sorry if I only made things confusing!
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UR Type 1 on <58>

Postby claudiarabia » Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:22 am

daj95376 wrote:Claudia,

Did you catch the UR Type 1 on <58>? It eliminates the XY-Chain and make both variants of this puzzle have identical solutions.


No, I didn't. But I'll try. Thanks

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another rotational

Postby claudiarabia » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:44 pm

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7 . 2 . 6 . 3 . .
. . . . . . . . 8
. 8 . 2 . 4 . . .
3 . . 1 . . . . 9
. . . . 5 . . . .
4 . . . . 2 . . 6
. . . 3 . 8 . 4 .
6 . . . . . . . .
. . 9 . 1 . 7 . 5
r9c7 may be omitted to get a higher difficulty-level.
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Postby ravel » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:27 pm

Oh, this one is (also) nice to solve, turbot fish, xyz-wing and a unique rectangle with x-wing. (But it seems to need chains without the 7.)
[Edit:] Apologies to those who wondered, how (with the 7) the puzzle can be solved without chains - i made a mistake.
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Postby maria45 » Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:04 pm

I don't know if these true hearts are already known. Thanks to ajb:
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.15...26.
9..4.1..8
8...2...3
4.......6
2.......7
.6.....5.
..9...1..
...5.7...
....9....

.79...43.
6..2.5..9
3...7...5
8.......7
.2.....8.
.4.....6.
..6...5..
...7.4...
....1....
easy to solve, so just for the soft hearted.
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Postby JPF » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:47 pm

A bit less easy :

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 . 2 4 . . . 6 7 .
 9 . . 7 . 5 . . 1
 3 . . . 2 . . . 8
 8 . . . . . . . 7
 6 . . . . . . . 2
 . 3 . . . . . 1 .
 . . 5 . . . 4 . .
 . . . 6 . 2 . . .
 . . . . 3 . . . .


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