urhegyi wrote:
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.6..9..8..............7......62.97.............75.36......6..............4..5..7.
When I disable (VW)XYZ-Wings about 30 2-string-Kite,SkyScraper,TurbotCrane appear
S-Doku
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Re: S-Doku
by Hajime » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:42 am
When I disable (VW)XYZ-Wings about 30 2-string-Kite,SkyScraper,TurbotCrane appear
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Re: S-Doku
by Hajime » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:52 am
S-Doku with Windoku gives no possible solution. But with Asterisk it does:
Methods up to Generic Locked Singles needed
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+--------+--------+--------+
| | 5 | |
| | 7 3| |
| 4 | 1 2| 5 |
+--------+--------+--------+
| | 3 | |
| | | |
| | 6 | |
+--------+--------+--------+
| 8 | 6 1| 4 |
| | 5 9| |
| | 2 | |
+--------------------------+
#2/A/B4,JSB/B4,JSB
....5.......7.3....4.1.2.5.....3.................6.....8.6.1.4....5.9.......2....
..11111...1.....111........2.........2222222.........2........333.....3...33333..
....5.......7.3....4.1.2.5.....3.................6.....8.6.1.4....5.9.......2....
..12223...1.....331........1.........1122233.........3........311.....3...12223..
Methods up to Generic Locked Singles needed
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Re: S-Doku
by Hajime » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:55 am
creint wrote:Only 2 rounds of locked singles required if you use the hidden constraints.Hajime wrote:Impressive 1to9only. What solver do you use to rate them?
Busy finding those hidden constraints but not yet "see" them. Can you teach me?
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Re: S-Doku
by urhegyi » Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:58 pm
Hajime wrote:S-Doku with Windoku gives no possible solution. But with Asterisk it does:
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+--------+--------+--------+
| | 5 | |
| | 7 3| |
| 4 | 1 2| 5 |
+--------+--------+--------+
| | 3 | |
| | | |
| | 6 | |
+--------+--------+--------+
| 8 | 6 1| 4 |
| | 5 9| |
| | 2 | |
+--------------------------+
#2/A/B4,JSB/B4,JSB
....5.......7.3....4.1.2.5.....3.................6.....8.6.1.4....5.9.......2....
..11111...1.....111........2.........2222222.........2........333.....3...33333..
....5.......7.3....4.1.2.5.....3.................6.....8.6.1.4....5.9.......2....
..12223...1.....331........1.........1122233.........3........311.....3...12223..
Methods up to Generic Locked Singles needed
Remove the JSB blocks and replace them through JSW and what do you get?
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#2/W/B4,JS/B4,JS
.6.....8...................635...817..2...9..213...794...................9.....4.
..11111...1.....111........2.........2222222.........2........333.....3...33333..
.6.....8...................635...817..2...9..213...794...................9.....4.
..12223...1.....331........1.........1122233.........3........311.....3...12223..
And a more difficult one:
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#2/W/B4,JS/B4,JS
...4.2.....................6.52.98.7..2...9..2.38.57.4.....................7.6...
..11111...1.....111........2.........2222222.........2........333.....3...33333..
...4.2.....................6.52.98.7..2...9..2.38.57.4.....................7.6...
..12223...1.....331........1.........1122233.........3........311.....3...12223..
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Re: S-Doku
by creint » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:23 pm
Hajime wrote:creint wrote:Only 2 rounds of locked singles required if you use the hidden constraints.Hajime wrote:Impressive 1to9only. What solver do you use to rate them?
Busy finding those hidden constraints but not yet "see" them. Can you teach me?
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#2//B4,JSB/B4,JSB
.....4.......3.6.............1....4...21.89...7....1.............3.6.......9.....
..11111...1.....111........2.........2222222.........2........333.....3...33333..
.....4.......3.6.............1....4...21.89...7....1.............3.6.......9.....
..12223...1.....331........1.........1122233.........3........311.....3...12223..
Solving up to
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Next step could be locked sets 78r14c7 and after that generalized x-wings (-5r3c3 > 5r12 linked with box 1 and S in box 1,2,3).
But there is also a hidden single 2r2c9 in hidden constraint. (cells r1c78,r2c89,r358c8)
An easy found hidden constraint is all cells seeing each other.
Part of S constraint (box 3,6,9) combined with box 3 constraint.
6 digits available in 6 cells so you can say that if there is an single left it must be there.
If there are more digits than cells then some tactics work different.
It does not find the 5 hidden windoku boxes (or the equal regions in normal sudoku http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/phistomefel-s-theorem-t38410.html) but this requires more complex code.
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Re: S-Doku
by Hajime » Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:30 pm
Thanks creint,
I will look into it. But phistomefel and MSLS-lookalikes have to wait.
First AIC and grouped methods on my to-do list.
I will look into it. But phistomefel and MSLS-lookalikes have to wait.
First AIC and grouped methods on my to-do list.
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Re: S-Doku
by Hajime » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:51 pm
Yummy, there are more shapes to explore...
These are with "8"-shapes in stead of "S"-shapes
In code (the first 2) because the 3rd 8-shape has no solution at all !!!
And the 2nd shape is ideal for a Samurai
This one is "singles only", for P&P solvers, in code:
But this hard one is for Bits&Bytes Solvers:
In code for SiSeSuSo:
These are with "8"-shapes in stead of "S"-shapes
In code (the first 2) because the 3rd 8-shape has no solution at all !!!
Hidden Text: Show
And the 2nd shape is ideal for a Samurai
This one is "singles only", for P&P solvers, in code:
Hidden Text: Show
But this hard one is for Bits&Bytes Solvers:
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+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+ +--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+
| | 7| | | | 1 | |
| 8 | 4 | | | | 2| 3|
| 4 7| 3 | | | | 9| 8 2|
+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+ +--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
| 2 | 7 | 8 9 | | 2 9| 1| 4 |
+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+
| | 1| | 3 6| | 4 | |
| | | | 1 8| | | |
| | 9 | | 5 2| | 2 | |
+--'--'--'--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--'--'--'--+
| 5 4 | | 3 9|
| | | |
| 9 6 | | 8 5|
+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+
| | 2 | | 7 9| | 3 | |
| | | | 6 1| | | |
| | 3| | 2 4| | 7 | |
+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+
| 2 | 1 | 5 4 | | 4 7| 5| 6 |
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
+--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+ +--'--'--+--'--'--+--'--'--+
| 7 9| 6 | | | | 3| 6 7|
| 5 | 7 | | | | 2| 1|
| | 5| | | | 6 | |
+--'--'--'--'--'--'--'--'--+ +--'--'--'--'--'--'--'--'--+
In code for SiSeSuSo:
Hidden Text: Show
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Re: S-Doku
by Compoko » Mon May 31, 2021 10:37 am
Hi,
does anyone has implemented a generator for the S-doku in some Sudoku generator application and made available? Please let me know. Thank you in advance!
does anyone has implemented a generator for the S-doku in some Sudoku generator application and made available? Please let me know. Thank you in advance!
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Re: S-Doku
by Compoko » Mon May 31, 2021 10:45 am
Hi,
I would like to know if someone managed to implement a S-doku generator in a Sudoku solver/generator application. And would you like to share the code with me? Thank you in advance!
I would like to know if someone managed to implement a S-doku generator in a Sudoku solver/generator application. And would you like to share the code with me? Thank you in advance!
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Re: S-Doku
by Hajime » Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:08 pm
Compoko wrote:Hi,
does anyone has implemented a generator for the S-doku in some Sudoku generator application and made available? Please let me know. Thank you in advance!
SiSeSuSo does. Download from https://sites.google.com/site/sisesuso
Also read my trick on 26march of this topic.
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Re: S-Doku
by 1to9only » Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:46 pm
Compoko wrote:I would like to know if someone managed to implement a S-doku generator in a Sudoku solver/generator application. And would you like to share the code with me?
There is also: SukakuExplainer, download from: here. From 'Variants' menu, select 'S-doku'.
You'll need to install Java to run this program.
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