blue wrote:denis_berthier wrote:A more interesting question for me would now be: can one find a Sukaku not in B7B?
Tarek's "singles backdoor size 6" puzzles are all "TE[singles](4)" -- "in BBBB, but not in BBB".
There were two more puzzles of interest, mentioned here:RuudLeft4: in BBB, but not in BB
The others (with high SE ratings) were "TE[singles](2)", and so in BB.
tareknasty1: in BBB, but not in BB
I can't say whether they're in B7B.
I should have added that if locked candidate and locked set eliminations are added to the techniques that are employed (initially, and after each guess or elimination), then the "singles backdoor size 6" puzzles become "T&E(3)", and "tareknasty1" becomes T&E(2).
Something else worth mentioning:
- Sudoku Explainer's "Cell/Region Forcing chains" eliminations, cover Denis Berthier's "(singles) braids" eliminations.
- Sudoku Explainer's methods cover all T&E[singles](1) eliminations; some part of the T&E[singles](2) eliminations, and some part of T&E[?](2) eliminations involving naked/hidden pairs and X-wings, and (I think) small chains.
- (*) Sudoku Explainer's "Dynamic Cell/Region Forcing chains" cover something that, doesn't correspond to anything in the category of "T&E" eliminations -- common outcomes produced (in a complex way) from any one of a short list of possible guesses, one of which is inevitably "correct" (assuming the puzzle actually has a solution).
Disregard what follows.
The differences were due to a bug in by code. Thanks tarek.
@Dobrichev: referring to your latest post; for the first of the BDS 6 puzzles SE+ "failed" here:
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| 3678 13456789 12346789 | 23456789 46789 12456789 | 2346789 3456789 4789 |
| 2356789 37 23457 | 2389 2346789 248 | 23689 1 2345789 |
| 12346789 1234567 1234678 | 12345689 123456789 12345678 | 23689 234569 2346789 |
+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| 23456789 46789 12456789 | 1356789 13456789 145789 | 23456789 46789 12456789 |
| 23689 12346789 123456789 | 12356789 1379 12345789 | 12356789 2346789 12478 |
| 12345689 12346 123456789 | 123569 12345679 12347 | 12345689 2346 12345678 |
+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| 12346789 156789 1246789 | 123456789 12345678 1245678 | 236789 3456789 12346789 |
| 12356789 179 1245789 | 123689 12346789 12478 | 2356789 379 12345789 |
| 12369 12345679 12346789 | 12345689 12346 12345678 | 12346789 2345679 12347 |
+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+
ED=20.0/2.3/2.3
T&E[singles](2), T&E[singles + locked candidates](2), T&E[singles + locked candidates + locked sets](2), and T&E[singles + locked candidates + locked sets + basic fish](2) ... all "fail" at this point:
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+--------------------------------+--------------------------------+------------------------------+
| 3678 13456789 12346789 | 23456789 46789 12456789 | 2346789 3456789 4789 |
| 2356789 37 23457 | 2389 2346789 248 | 23689 1 2345789 |
| 12346789 1234567 1234678 | 12345689 123456789 12345678 | 23689 234569 2346789 |
+--------------------------------+--------------------------------+------------------------------+
| 23456789 46789 12456789 | 1356789 13456789 145789 | 23456789 46789 12456789 |
| 23689 12346789 123456789 | 12356789 1379 12345789 | 12356789 2346789 12478 |
| 12345689 12346 123456789 | 123569 12345679 12347 | 12345689 2346 12345678 |
+--------------------------------+--------------------------------+------------------------------+
| 123456789 156789 1246789 | 123456789 12345678 1245678 | 236789 3456789 12346789 |
| 12356789 179 1245789 | 123689 12346789 12478 | 2356789 379 12345789 |
| 12369 12345679 12346789 | 12345689 12346 12345678 | 123456789 2345679 12347 |
+--------------------------------+--------------------------------+------------------------------+
Interestingly(?), nothing happens at level 2, except in the T&E[singles] case.
The difference between the two final states, is that SE has two additional eliminations: 5r7c1 and 5r9c7.
Is it an easy job to plug the PM state from just above, into SE, and "ask it" if it can still eliminate those two candidates, and if so, how ?
BTW: I'm only asking out of curiosity.
You guys are on you own here.
Good luck, and have fun