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[gsf]

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6 . . . 3 . . . 2
. 9 . . . . . 7 .
. . 8 . . . 1 . .
. . . 5 . 1 . . .
2 . . . 9 . . . 6
. . . 8 . . . . .
. . 1 . . . 5 . .
. 2 . . . . . 6 .
9 . . . 6 . . . 3  ED=4.4/1.2/1.2

[JPF]

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 1 . . | . 2 . | . . 3
 . 4 . | . . . | . 5 .
 . . 2 | . . . | 6 . .
-------+-------+-------
 . . . | 6 . 7 | . . .
 3 . . | . 8 . | . . 1
 . . . | 5 . . | . . .
-------+-------+-------
 . . 3 | . . . | 8 . .
 . 5 . | . . . | . 6 .
 7 . . | . 3 . | . . 2       ED=6.5/1.2/1.2


JPF

[m_b_metcalf]

idle: After at least 3 entries have been made (the deal counts as entry 1) and 22 hours with no submissions (4 days if < 4 players) the referee posts a message that the game has gone idle and will close in 2 hours if there are no further submissions.

Surely g.r.emlin should have declared a closed state by now?

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

[gsf]

::: comment :::

idle: After at least 3 entries have been made (the deal counts as entry 1) and 22 hours with no submissions (4 days if < 4 players) the referee posts a message that the game has gone idle and will close in 2 hours if there are no further submissions.

Surely g.r.emlin should have declared a closed state by now?

the referee has the idle deadline at 2010-08-28+17:06:00-0000
don't know why its a day off
maybe to give us more time to generate deals ...

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0116 idle LIGHTNING 2010-08-28+17:07:54-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2010-08-28+20:00:00-0000 :::

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game 0116 2010-08-24+16:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 1d14h dealer champagne pages 611-616 (open) 6 players
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    1.5/1.2/1.2 champagne      5.6/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.7/1.2/1.2 ronk           9.1/9.1/3.8 ronk
    1.7/1.2/1.2 gsf            6.2/1.2/1.2 JPF            7.8/1.2/1.2 ronk           9.2/9.2/3.8 m_b_metcalf
    2.0/1.2/1.2 ronk           6.5/1.2/1.2 JPF            7.9/1.2/1.2 ronk           9.3/9.3/3.4 joel64
    2.6/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    6.6/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    8.0/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    9.4/9.4/3.4 joel64
    2.8/1.2/1.2 gsf            6.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    8.2/1.2/1.2 ronk           9.5/1.2/1.2 ronk
    3.0/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    6.9/1.2/1.2 ronk           8.3/7.2/3.4 m_b_metcalf    9.6/1.2/1.2 ronk
    3.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.0/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    8.4/7.2/3.4 joel64         9.7/1.2/1.2 JPF
    3.8/1.2/1.2 ronk           7.1/7.1/3.8 m_b_metcalf    8.5/8.5/3.8 m_b_metcalf    9.8/9.8/3.4 JPF
    4.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.2/7.2/3.8 gsf            8.6/1.2/1.2 ronk           9.9/9.9/3.4 ronk
    4.4/1.2/1.2 gsf            7.3/1.2/1.2 ronk           8.7/1.2/1.2 JPF          10.0/10.0/3.4 JPF
    4.5/1.2/1.2 ronk           7.4/1.2/1.2 ronk           8.8/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf
    4.6/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.5/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    8.9/8.9/3.8 m_b_metcalf
    5.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.6/1.2/1.2 ronk           9.0/9.0/3.8 m_b_metcalf
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    open ratings : 1.2 2.3 2.5 3.4 3.6 4.0 4.7-5.1 5.4 5.7-6.1 6.8 8.1 10.1-11.4

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
       champagne        1    -19         0  dealer
          joel64        3    174    12m19s  rare-0*2,pearl*2,lower-pearl,dup-rating
             gsf        4    259    28m35s  rare-0,pearl
            ronk       16    627    16m02s  pearl*2
             JPF        6    642     3h05m  pearl*2,highest-rating=104,last-entry=112
     m_b_metcalf       19    777    36m46s  rare-2,pearl*5
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               6       49   2460            rare-0*3,rare-2,pearl*12


[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0116 closed LIGHTNING (idle for 2d13h) -- preliminary results :::

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game 0116 2010-08-24+16:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 1d14h dealer champagne pages 611-616 (final) 6 players
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    1.5/1.2/1.2 champagne      5.6/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.7/1.2/1.2 ronk           9.1/9.1/3.8 ronk
    1.7/1.2/1.2 gsf            6.2/1.2/1.2 JPF            7.8/1.2/1.2 ronk           9.2/9.2/3.8 m_b_metcalf
    2.0/1.2/1.2 ronk           6.5/1.2/1.2 JPF            7.9/1.2/1.2 ronk           9.3/9.3/3.4 joel64
    2.6/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    6.6/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    8.0/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    9.4/9.4/3.4 joel64
    2.8/1.2/1.2 gsf            6.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    8.2/1.2/1.2 ronk           9.5/1.2/1.2 ronk
    3.0/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    6.9/1.2/1.2 ronk           8.3/7.2/3.4 m_b_metcalf    9.6/1.2/1.2 ronk
    3.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.0/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    8.4/7.2/3.4 joel64         9.7/1.2/1.2 JPF
    3.8/1.2/1.2 ronk           7.1/7.1/3.8 m_b_metcalf    8.5/8.5/3.8 m_b_metcalf    9.8/9.8/3.4 JPF
    4.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.2/7.2/3.8 gsf            8.6/1.2/1.2 ronk           9.9/9.9/3.4 ronk
    4.4/1.2/1.2 gsf            7.3/1.2/1.2 ronk           8.7/1.2/1.2 JPF          10.0/10.0/3.4 JPF
    4.5/1.2/1.2 ronk           7.4/1.2/1.2 ronk           8.8/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf
    4.6/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.5/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    8.9/8.9/3.8 m_b_metcalf
    5.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.6/1.2/1.2 ronk           9.0/9.0/3.8 m_b_metcalf
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    open ratings : 1.2 2.3 2.5 3.4 3.6 4.0 4.7-5.1 5.4 5.7-6.1 6.8 8.1 10.1-11.4

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
       champagne        1    -19         0  dealer
          joel64        3    174    12m19s  rare-0*2,pearl*2,lower-pearl,dup-rating
             gsf        4    259    28m35s  rare-0,pearl
            ronk       16    627    16m02s  pearl*2
             JPF        6    642     3h05m  pearl*2,highest-rating=104,last-entry=112
     m_b_metcalf       19    777    36m46s  rare-2,pearl*5
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               6       49   2460            rare-0*3,rare-2,pearl*12


[JPF]

::: comment :::
Some comments on this pattern.
I got only 6983 different puzzles.
With an independent search from the other players, I found all the posted puzzles but two: gsf 's 1.7/1.2/1.2 and ronk's 6.9/1.2/1.2

I guess that the total number of puzzles is less than 10,000.
An exhaustive search (anon17?) would be interesting in that case.

JPF

[ronk]

::: comment :::
moved to Pattern Games Strategies thread

[champagne]

::: comment :::
Some comments on this pattern.
I got only 6983 different puzzles.
With an independent search from the other players, I found all the posted puzzles but two: gsf 's 1.7/1.2/1.2 and ronk's 6.9/1.2/1.2

I guess that the total number of puzzles is less than 10,000.
An exhaustive search (anon17?) would be interesting in that case.

JPF

When I proposed that pattern, I was not expecting a huge number of puzzles, but I have been surprised to see that the maximum ED was 3.8.
The underlying reason can surely explain these limitations.

In the future, I will at least check that some Diamonds exist.

champagne

[ronk]

::: comment :::

I guess that the total number of puzzles is less than 10,000.
An exhaustive search (anon17?) would be interesting in that case.

ignoring the center box, there are at least 334,725 non-equivalents (it's still running)

[JPF]

When I proposed that pattern, I was not expecting a huge number of puzzles, but I have been surprised to see that the maximum ED was 3.8.
The underlying reason can surely explain these limitations.

In the future, I will at least check that some Diamonds exist.

One way is to look at the past patterns.
A quick survey shows that in the six past 20 clues patterns the highest ED was 6.7 and the average very low.
In addition, diamonds were rare, if non existent.

JPF

[JPF]

ignoring the center box, there are at least 334,725 non-equivalents (it's still running)

What do you mean by ignoring the center box ?

JPF

[ronk]

::: comment :::

ignoring the center box, there are at least 334,725 non-equivalents (it's still running)

What do you mean by ignoring the center box ?

Not trying to place clues in the center box ... and counting non-equivalent sub-puzzles. Haven't actually validated this, but I believe clues could then be added to box 5 of each sub-puzzle to obtain at least one valid puzzle, although not necessarily a minimal one.

[edit: OK, I see, there might not a puzzle with b5 clued at the required positions.]

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0117 start at 2010-09-01+05:00:00-0000 :::

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dealer status

candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin)

   1 m_b_metcalf       3 ronk              9 JPF
   2 Mauricio          6 champagne        87 g.r.emlin

past patterns

   1 champagne         1 pseudocoup        9 gsf              19 TTHsieh
   1 claudiarabia      1 ravel            13 m_b_metcalf      20 Mauricio
   1 draco             1 wintder          13 Pat              24 JPF
   1 Eioru             3 g.r.emlin        15 coloin           24 tarek


[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0117 open 2010-09-01+05:00:10-0000 dealer ronk 21 clues diagonal (main) symmetry :::

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9 . . . . . 1 . 2
. 7 . 6 . . . 3 .
. . 1 . . . . . .
. 6 . . . 1 . 2 .
. . . . 5 9 . . .
. . . 7 8 . . . .
6 . . . . . . . 5
. 8 . 1 . . . 4 .
5 . . . . . 9 . .  ED=1.5/1.2/1.2