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by **m_b_metcalf** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:51 pm

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gsf wrote:some good comments on the highest and last entry bonuses
I think a percentage of the current total score for both would be good

we can use a few games to see what looks good

the initial percentages starting this game are:
highest 25%
last 50%

My initial comments after playing by the new rules are:

1) you seem to have made both bonuses 25% (which is fine);

2) I think the bonus for the highest rating should be fixed once awarded. This would add a 'risk factor' as playing too early would cost points but playing too late would lose all. At the moment, the bonus increases with each round and if the player with the highest rating does nothing at all his score still increases, making it a moving target for other players, and difficult to overtake with 'normal' submissions.

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **m_b_metcalf** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:55 pm

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **JPF** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:14 am

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JPF

by **m_b_metcalf** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:34 am

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **JPF** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:15 am

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JPF

by **g.r.emlin** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:17 am

::: game 0088 status LIGHTNING 2009-08-31+06:17:52-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0088 2009-08-27+14:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 3d16h dealer coloin pages 281-285 (open) 4 players ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 gsf 6.7/6.7/3.4 m_b_metcalf 7.8/7.8/7.8 JPF 9.1/9.1/9.1 gsf 1.5/1.2/1.2 coloin 6.9/4.2/3.0 m_b_metcalf 8.2/8.2/8.2 gsf 9.2/9.2/9.1 JPF 2.0/2.0/2.0 gsf 7.0/7.0/7.0 gsf 8.3/8.3/8.3 m_b_metcalf 9.3/9.3/9.2 JPF 2.5/2.5/2.5 gsf 7.1/7.1/7.1 m_b_metcalf 8.4/8.4/8.4 m_b_metcalf 9.4/9.4/9.1 m_b_metcalf 2.8/2.8/2.8 gsf 7.2/7.2/7.2 gsf 8.5/8.5/8.5 gsf 9.5/9.5/3.4 JPF 3.0/3.0/3.0 m_b_metcalf 7.3/7.3/7.3 gsf 8.6/8.6/8.6 gsf 9.6/9.6/7.8 m_b_metcalf 3.4/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf 7.4/7.4/7.4 gsf 8.7/8.7/7.2 m_b_metcalf 9.7/9.7/7.8 JPF 3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf 7.5/7.5/3.4 m_b_metcalf 8.8/8.8/8.8 gsf 10.0/10.0/3.4 JPF 4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf 7.6/7.6/6.7 JPF 8.9/8.9/8.9 gsf 6.6/6.6/6.6 gsf 7.7/7.7/6.7 m_b_metcalf 9.0/9.0/9.0 m_b_metcalf ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 1.7 2.3 2.6 3.2 3.8 4.0 4.4-4.8 5.0-5.2 5.4 5.6-6.2 6.5 6.8 7.9-8.1 9.8 9.9 10.1-10.7 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- coloin 1 -19 3h51m dealer m_b_metcalf 14 1213 2h18m diamond*7,pearl*6 gsf 16 1270 45m51s diamond*14 JPF 7 2565 1h58m diamond,pearl*6,highest-rating=838,last-entry=838 ----------- ------- ----- ----- 4 38 5029 diamond*22,pearl*12

by **m_b_metcalf** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:26 am

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **gsf** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:53 pm

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by **m_b_metcalf** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:57 pm

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **gsf** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:45 pm

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by **JPF** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:50 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . | . . 2 | 3 . . . 4 . | . 5 . | . 6 . . . 3 | 7 . . | . . 8 -------+-------+------- . . 2 | . . . | . . . . 9 . | . . 6 | . . . 5 . . | . 9 . | . 2 . -------+-------+------- 3 . . | . . . | 1 . . . 6 . | . . 5 | . 4 . . . 8 | . . . | . . 7 ED=9.5/9.5/9.0

JPF

by **m_b_metcalf** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:21 pm

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **gsf** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:23 pm

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m_b_metcalf wrote:
gsf wrote:some good comments on the highest and last entry bonuses
I think a percentage of the current total score for both would be good

we can use a few games to see what looks good

the initial percentages starting this game are:
highest 25%
last 50%

My initial comments after playing by the new rules are:

1) you seem to have made both bonuses 25% (which is fine);

2) I think the bonus for the highest rating should be fixed once awarded. This would add a 'risk factor' as playing too early would cost points but playing too late would lose all. At the moment, the bonus increases with each round and if the player with the highest rating does nothing at all his score still increases, making it a moving target for other players, and difficult to overtake with 'normal' submissions.

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

welcome back
freezing the percentage bonuses at time of entry makes sense
don't know if it will make it into this game

by **gsf** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:17 am

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gsf wrote:don't know if it will make it into this game

it did make it
the highest score bonus is calculated at the time of entry and frozen until another one becomes the highest
that lowered JPF's bonus to 708

by **gsf** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:32 am

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