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[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0338 status LIGHTNING 2019-01-16+20:28:15-0000 :::

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game 0338 2019-01-13+20:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 3d00h dealer qiuyanzhe pages 2668-2672 (open) 3 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 1to9only       4.4/4.4/4.4 1to9only       6.9/6.6/2.6 1to9only       8.7/8.7/8.4 1to9only
    1.5/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    4.5/4.5/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.0/7.0/7.0 1to9only       8.8/8.8/8.8 1to9only
    1.7/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    4.6/4.0/4.0 m_b_metcalf    7.1/7.1/7.1 m_b_metcalf    8.9/8.9/8.9 m_b_metcalf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 1to9only       4.7/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    7.2/7.2/7.2 1to9only       9.0/9.0/9.0 m_b_metcalf
    2.3/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    4.9/2.0/2.0 1to9only       7.3/7.3/7.3 1to9only       9.1/9.1/9.1 1to9only
    2.5/2.5/2.5 m_b_metcalf    5.0/5.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf    7.4/7.2/4.4 m_b_metcalf    9.2/9.2/9.2 1to9only
    2.6/2.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf    5.6/4.5/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.5/7.5/7.1 1to9only       9.3/9.3/9.2 1to9only
    2.8/2.6/2.6 1to9only       5.7/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.6/7.6/7.1 1to9only       9.4/9.4/9.3 m_b_metcalf
    3.0/3.0/3.0 m_b_metcalf    5.8/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.7/4.0/4.0 m_b_metcalf    9.5/9.5/9.3 1to9only
    3.2/3.0/3.0 1to9only       5.9/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    7.8/7.8/7.2 m_b_metcalf    9.6/9.6/9.4 1to9only
    3.4/3.4/3.4 1to9only       6.2/6.2/2.6 1to9only       8.2/8.2/8.2 1to9only       9.7/3.4/2.6 m_b_metcalf
    3.6/3.6/3.0 1to9only       6.5/2.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf    8.3/8.3/8.3 1to9only       9.9/1.2/1.2 1to9only
    3.8/3.8/2.6 1to9only       6.6/4.5/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.4/8.4/8.4 1to9only
    4.0/4.0/4.0 m_b_metcalf    6.7/6.7/6.6 1to9only       8.5/8.5/8.4 1to9only
    4.2/4.2/3.4 m_b_metcalf    6.8/6.8/2.6 m_b_metcalf    8.6/8.6/8.6 1to9only
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    open ratings : 4.8 5.1-5.4 6.0 6.1 7.9-8.1 9.8 10.0-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
       qiuyanzhe        0      0     8h50m  dealer
     m_b_metcalf       27   1900     1h27m  rare-0*3,rare-1,diamond*7,pearl*6
        1to9only       30   3174    46m59s  diamond*12,pearl*11,highest-rating=232,last-entry=230,self-trump
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               3       57   5074            rare-0*3,rare-1,diamond*19,pearl*17


[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0338 idle LIGHTNING 2019-01-20+20:29:33-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2019-01-20+23:00:00-0000 :::

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game 0338 2019-01-13+20:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 3d00h dealer qiuyanzhe pages 2668-2672 (open) 3 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 1to9only       4.4/4.4/4.4 1to9only       6.9/6.6/2.6 1to9only       8.7/8.7/8.4 1to9only
    1.5/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    4.5/4.5/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.0/7.0/7.0 1to9only       8.8/8.8/8.8 1to9only
    1.7/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    4.6/4.0/4.0 m_b_metcalf    7.1/7.1/7.1 m_b_metcalf    8.9/8.9/8.9 m_b_metcalf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 1to9only       4.7/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    7.2/7.2/7.2 1to9only       9.0/9.0/9.0 m_b_metcalf
    2.3/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    4.9/2.0/2.0 1to9only       7.3/7.3/7.3 1to9only       9.1/9.1/9.1 1to9only
    2.5/2.5/2.5 m_b_metcalf    5.0/5.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf    7.4/7.2/4.4 m_b_metcalf    9.2/9.2/9.2 1to9only
    2.6/2.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf    5.6/4.5/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.5/7.5/7.1 1to9only       9.3/9.3/9.2 1to9only
    2.8/2.6/2.6 1to9only       5.7/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.6/7.6/7.1 1to9only       9.4/9.4/9.3 m_b_metcalf
    3.0/3.0/3.0 m_b_metcalf    5.8/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.7/4.0/4.0 m_b_metcalf    9.5/9.5/9.3 1to9only
    3.2/3.0/3.0 1to9only       5.9/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    7.8/7.8/7.2 m_b_metcalf    9.6/9.6/9.4 1to9only
    3.4/3.4/3.4 1to9only       6.2/6.2/2.6 1to9only       8.2/8.2/8.2 1to9only       9.7/3.4/2.6 m_b_metcalf
    3.6/3.6/3.0 1to9only       6.5/2.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf    8.3/8.3/8.3 1to9only       9.9/1.2/1.2 1to9only
    3.8/3.8/2.6 1to9only       6.6/4.5/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.4/8.4/8.4 1to9only
    4.0/4.0/4.0 m_b_metcalf    6.7/6.7/6.6 1to9only       8.5/8.5/8.4 1to9only
    4.2/4.2/3.4 m_b_metcalf    6.8/6.8/2.6 m_b_metcalf    8.6/8.6/8.6 1to9only
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    open ratings : 4.8 5.1-5.4 6.0 6.1 7.9-8.1 9.8 10.0-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
       qiuyanzhe        0      0     8h50m  dealer
     m_b_metcalf       27   1900     1h27m  rare-0*3,rare-1,diamond*7,pearl*6
        1to9only       30   3174    46m59s  diamond*12,pearl*11,highest-rating=232,last-entry=230,self-trump
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               3       57   5074            rare-0*3,rare-1,diamond*19,pearl*17


[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0338 closed LIGHTNING (idle for 4d02h) -- preliminary results :::

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game 0338 2019-01-13+20:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 3d00h dealer qiuyanzhe pages 2668-2672 (final) 3 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 1to9only       4.4/4.4/4.4 1to9only       6.9/6.6/2.6 1to9only       8.7/8.7/8.4 1to9only
    1.5/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    4.5/4.5/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.0/7.0/7.0 1to9only       8.8/8.8/8.8 1to9only
    1.7/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    4.6/4.0/4.0 m_b_metcalf    7.1/7.1/7.1 m_b_metcalf    8.9/8.9/8.9 m_b_metcalf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 1to9only       4.7/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    7.2/7.2/7.2 1to9only       9.0/9.0/9.0 m_b_metcalf
    2.3/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    4.9/2.0/2.0 1to9only       7.3/7.3/7.3 1to9only       9.1/9.1/9.1 1to9only
    2.5/2.5/2.5 m_b_metcalf    5.0/5.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf    7.4/7.2/4.4 m_b_metcalf    9.2/9.2/9.2 1to9only
    2.6/2.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf    5.6/4.5/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.5/7.5/7.1 1to9only       9.3/9.3/9.2 1to9only
    2.8/2.6/2.6 1to9only       5.7/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.6/7.6/7.1 1to9only       9.4/9.4/9.3 m_b_metcalf
    3.0/3.0/3.0 m_b_metcalf    5.8/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.7/4.0/4.0 m_b_metcalf    9.5/9.5/9.3 1to9only
    3.2/3.0/3.0 1to9only       5.9/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    7.8/7.8/7.2 m_b_metcalf    9.6/9.6/9.4 1to9only
    3.4/3.4/3.4 1to9only       6.2/6.2/2.6 1to9only       8.2/8.2/8.2 1to9only       9.7/3.4/2.6 m_b_metcalf
    3.6/3.6/3.0 1to9only       6.5/2.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf    8.3/8.3/8.3 1to9only       9.9/1.2/1.2 1to9only
    3.8/3.8/2.6 1to9only       6.6/4.5/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.4/8.4/8.4 1to9only
    4.0/4.0/4.0 m_b_metcalf    6.7/6.7/6.6 1to9only       8.5/8.5/8.4 1to9only
    4.2/4.2/3.4 m_b_metcalf    6.8/6.8/2.6 m_b_metcalf    8.6/8.6/8.6 1to9only
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    open ratings : 4.8 5.1-5.4 6.0 6.1 7.9-8.1 9.8 10.0-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
       qiuyanzhe        0      0     8h50m  dealer
     m_b_metcalf       27   1900     1h27m  rare-0*3,rare-1,diamond*7,pearl*6
        1to9only       30   3174    46m59s  diamond*12,pearl*11,highest-rating=232,last-entry=230,self-trump
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               3       57   5074            rare-0*3,rare-1,diamond*19,pearl*17


[m_b_metcalf]

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000809000001000600040600080103500006000090000700003502060002040007000300000908000   ED=6.6/6.6/3.0   
000908000001000500040600090103700006000080000700003102060002040005000300000809000   ED=6.8/6.8/3.0   
000504000008000500030800090103400009000090000700002406010007030004000200000106000   ED=8.0/2.0/2.0   


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...1.3.....5...8...9.5...4.6.38....2....3....1....53.6.7...8.5...4...9.....2.7... ED=9.8/9.8/7.9
...1.9.....6...3...4.3...7.5.74....8....8....8....15.4.1...4.9...5...6.....2.7... ED=9.7/9.7/2.6
...1.8.....2...1...4.5...3.7.42....8....6....9....42.1.3...9.5...8...4.....7.5... ED=8.5/8.5/8.5
...1.8.....9...2...5.2...7.8.15....3....8....7....48.6.2...7.5...6...9.....3.2... ED=8.1/1.5/1.5
...1.2.....7...6...1.3...5.2.97....8....2....7....82.9.5...1.4...6...8.....4.3... ED=8.0/7.6/3.4
...1.4.....8...7...1.7...9.3.46....7....4....6....52.4.9...1.8...3...5.....8.2... ED=7.9/7.6/6.6
...1.2.....6...7...8.6...9.9.75....4....4....4....83.2.3...9.8...5...6.....3.7... ED=6.0/1.5/1.5
...1.7.....8...2...1.2...6.9.74....3....7....4....97.5.2...1.8...3...9.....8.4... ED=5.2/3.0/3.0
...1.2.....8...6...1.6...4.2.74....9....9....3....62.7.4...1.3...6...4.....9.3... ED=5.1/1.2/1.2
...1.7.....3...5...7.8...2.1.94....3....9....8....34.9.5...2.8...2...7.....6.4... ED=4.8/4.8/2.6


[Pat]

adjustment 2019-01-16+16:35:00-0000 1to9only self-trump -50

A silly mistake or a clever tactic?

in case you did have the 9.9
it would've given you a reasonable chance of winning !
( subject to other goodies )

self-trumping blocked any such possibility


re self-trump,
see this ancient example

re blocking other players,
it was discussed one year ago --

Interestingly, the referee accepted my 2 consecutive submissions.

So, if I wanted to cheat, I could submit my best submissions,
effectively blocking the further progress of the game.

( my new understanding is,
that the penalty for consecutive-entry
would only be assessed
every 2nd submission )

[1to9only]

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in case you did have the 9.9
it would've given you a reasonable chance of winning !
( subject to other goodies )
self-trumping blocked any such possibility

I think in a regular game this sort of behaviour would be frowned upon! Although the rules don't forbid this.

I was trying to 'upgrade' the
9.9/1.2/1.2 = 32 submission pts
to this
9.9/9.9/8.8 = 53 submission pts + 103 EP/ED bonus pts
to gain
156 - 50 ajustment - 32 = 74 pts
i.e. 42 extra points. This did not work! Reading the previous (dobrichev) post would have saved me a failed attempt!

In game 336 qiuyanzhe had been docked -150 pts for a consecutive-entry. My 3rd consecutive entry was to test this. This did not work either!! And I went back to qiuyanzhe's submissions to find the adjustment was for a double-fault!!

So I'm now thinking whether it's possible to suffer the maximum of -250 pts of adjustments:
-50 for each invalid submission
-50 for each submission marked edited
-100 for each submission with ER/EP/ED that does not match the results of Sudoku Explainer 1.2.1
-50 for each self-trump

I think I can manage -200 pts...

Also, I've worked out a strategy for a single-player patterns game in case there is NO (zero) player submissions after 2-3 days of the game start - the submission pts would cancel out the adjustments, and a single-player should be able to achieve some 4000+ pts! Dealer pattern allowing! This remains untested!

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...1.7.....9...1...2.4...5.4.82....3....3....3....67.8.1...2.6...7...8.....6.5... ED=7.7/7.7/3.0
...1.2.....3...1...8.5...7.7.46....1....5....6....72.4.6...5.3...2...9.....7.6... ED=7.4/7.4/7.3
...1.9.....2...1...6.2...5.3.45....6....9....5....28.1.3...5.4...8...2.....3.7... ED=6.5/3.4/2.6
...1.9.....6...3...1.7...2.5.82....6....9....9....62.5.3...2.4...5...8.....4.1... ED=5.9/3.0/2.6
...1.6.....6...8...3.5...7.2.97....4....6....6....39.2.8...7.5...4...2.....3.5... ED=5.8/3.0/2.6
...1.3.....7...1...8.6...2.4.83....1....6....6....83.9.5...6.7...3...8.....4.5... ED=5.7/4.0/3.4
...1.8.....9...8...2.5...3.1.57....8....6....6....13.7.4...3.9...7...2.....6.4... ED=5.6/5.0/2.6
...1.3.....2...4...9.2...8.8.47....6....6....7....83.1.5...4.2...3...9.....8.7... ED=4.7/3.6/2.6
...1.7.....3...2...5.3...1.2.68....7....4....9....36.2.7...8.3...9...5.....4.1... ED=4.6/4.5/3.4


[Pat]

i can imagine a submission "deserving" several penalties
e.g.

se-mismatch
consecutive-entry
self-trump
not-minimal
but we know each submission can only get one penalty

( which one ?
depends on the order g.r.emlin does the various tests )


the strange case of a submission with 2 penalties ( in the previous game )
was achieved by editing the post


one penalty on the original submission,
and when that issue was fixed by editing --
g.r.emlin assessed a new penalty
( and found no way to cancel the first penalty }

we also know that after a submission was penalized,
everyone is allowed to make the next submission !!
( no penalty for consecutive-entry )

as indeed you saw in your own test

hence in my recent post,


my new understanding is,
that the penalty for consecutive-entry
would only be assessed
every 2nd submission

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0339 start at 2019-01-24+08:00:00-0000 :::

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dealer status

candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin)

   1 200e200w          1 qiuyanzhe         6 pseudocoup
  12 Pat               3 Patrice          87 g.r.emlin

past patterns

  19 TTHsieh           1 qiuyanzhe        30 Mauricio          4 pseudocoup        6 ronk
   1 claudiarabia      1 ravel            33 JPF              58 tarek             7 Patrice
   1 dobrichev         1 wintder           3 g.r.emlin         5 papy999           9 gsf
   1 draco            26 coloin           43 champagne         6 200e200w
   1 Eioru             2 999_Springs      44 m_b_metcalf      67 Pat


[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0339 open 2019-01-24+08:00:06-0000 dealer Pat 24 clues diagonal (main) symmetry :::

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9 . . . . 8 4 . .
. 6 . . 5 . . 7 .
. . 5 6 . . . . 3
. . 1 2 9 . . . .
. 9 . 7 6 . . . .
3 . . . . . 2 . .
2 . . . . 4 . . 9
. 7 . . . . . 3 .
. . 4 . . . 6 . .  ED=1.7/1.2/1.2

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 1 . . . . 2 3 . .
 . 2 . . 4 . . 5 .
 . . 6 7 . . . . 8
 . . 8 6 2 . . . .
 . 7 . 5 9 . . . .
 6 . . . . . 9 . .
 2 . . . . 5 . . 9
 . 4 . . . . . 3 .
 . . 3 . . . 1 . .   ED=8.5/8.5/8.5

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1 . . . . 2 7 . .
. 7 . . 9 . . 2 .
. . 4 6 . . . . 8
. . 9 5 6 . . . .
. 6 . 2 3 . . . .
3 . . . . . 5 . .
8 . . . . 6 . . 4
. 3 . . . . . 1 .
. . 2 . . . 9 . . ED=7.6/7.6/7.6


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 1 . . . . 2 3 . .
 . 2 . . 4 . . 5 .
 . . 5 1 . . . . 6
 . . 6 7 8 . . . .
 . 5 . 2 9 . . . .
 7 . . . . . 9 . .
 4 . . . . 8 . . 7
 . 1 . . . . . 8 .
 . . 3 . . . 6 . .   ED=7.1/7.1/7.1

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1 . . . . 4 5 . .
. 4 . . 7 . . 2 .
. . 8 3 . . . . 6
. . 4 7 8 . . . .
. 9 . 6 2 . . . .
5 . . . . . 3 . .
2 . . . . 1 . . 7
. 6 . . . . . 5 .
. . 1 . . . 2 . . ED=1.7/1.7/1.7