The New Sudoku Players' Forum

[papy999]

::: comment :::
Should this game be closed ?
24 hours idle ...

Is g.r.emlin alive ?

[m_b_metcalf]

::: comment :::
Should this game be closed ?
24 hours idle ...

Is g.r.emlin alive ?

He often waits somewhat more than two days, rather than one, to close a game. Or, perhaps, he's waiting for your 9.3

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0323 idle 2018-09-08+13:57:09-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2018-09-08+16:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all

game 0323 2018-09-04+13:00:00-0000 duration 2d20h dealer 200e200w pages 2551-2556 (open) 6 players
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    1.2/1.2/1.2 1to9only       4.4/4.4/2.6 m_b_metcalf    6.6/6.6/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.2/8.2/3.8 Robbie
    1.5/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    4.5/4.5/2.6 m_b_metcalf    6.7/6.7/2.6 Robbie         8.3/8.3/3.8 Robbie
    1.7/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    4.6/4.6/2.6 Robbie         6.8/6.8/2.6 Robbie         8.4/8.4/3.4 Robbie
    2.0/2.0/2.0 1to9only       4.7/4.7/2.6 Robbie         6.9/6.9/2.6 Robbie         8.5/8.5/3.8 Robbie
    2.3/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    4.8/2.3/2.3 Robbie         7.0/7.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf    8.6/8.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf
    2.5/2.5/2.5 Robbie         5.0/3.8/2.6 Robbie         7.1/7.1/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.7/8.7/2.6 Robbie
    2.6/2.6/2.6 Robbie         5.2/2.0/2.0 1to9only       7.2/7.2/3.8 m_b_metcalf    8.8/8.8/3.4 m_b_metcalf
    2.8/2.5/2.5 m_b_metcalf    5.4/5.4/2.6 Robbie         7.3/7.3/3.8 Robbie         8.9/8.9/3.4 Robbie
    3.0/3.0/3.0 Robbie         5.6/3.8/3.0 m_b_metcalf    7.4/7.4/2.6 m_b_metcalf    9.0/9.0/3.8 Robbie
    3.2/3.2/2.6 m_b_metcalf    5.7/4.2/2.6 Robbie         7.5/7.5/3.0 Robbie         9.1/9.1/2.6 Robbie
    3.4/3.4/2.6 Robbie         5.8/2.3/2.3 Pat            7.6/7.6/2.6 Robbie         9.2/9.2/2.6 m_b_metcalf
    3.6/3.6/2.6 Robbie         5.9/1.5/1.5 1to9only       7.7/7.7/2.6 Robbie         9.4/2.3/2.3 papy999
    3.8/3.8/3.0 m_b_metcalf    6.0/1.2/1.2 Pat            7.8/7.8/2.6 Robbie
    4.0/4.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf    6.2/6.2/2.6 Robbie         7.9/7.3/2.6 Robbie
    4.2/4.2/3.0 Robbie         6.5/3.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf    8.0/7.2/2.6 Robbie
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    open ratings : 4.9 5.1 6.1 8.1 9.3 9.5-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
        200e200w        0      0         0  dealer
             Pat        2    130     6h29m 
        1to9only        4    137    25m44s 
         papy999        1    354    34m59s  rare-1,highest-rating=195
     m_b_metcalf       19    984    26m15s  rare-0,rare-2,pearl*13
          Robbie       31   2185     1h01m  rare-0,diamond*3,pearl*23,last-entry=171
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               6       57   3790            rare-0*2,rare-1,rare-2,diamond*3,pearl*36


[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0323 closed (idle for 1d06h) -- preliminary results :::

Code: Select all

game 0323 2018-09-04+13:00:00-0000 duration 2d20h dealer 200e200w pages 2551-2556 (final) 6 players
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    1.2/1.2/1.2 1to9only       4.4/4.4/2.6 m_b_metcalf    6.6/6.6/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.2/8.2/3.8 Robbie
    1.5/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    4.5/4.5/2.6 m_b_metcalf    6.7/6.7/2.6 Robbie         8.3/8.3/3.8 Robbie
    1.7/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf    4.6/4.6/2.6 Robbie         6.8/6.8/2.6 Robbie         8.4/8.4/3.4 Robbie
    2.0/2.0/2.0 1to9only       4.7/4.7/2.6 Robbie         6.9/6.9/2.6 Robbie         8.5/8.5/3.8 Robbie
    2.3/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    4.8/2.3/2.3 Robbie         7.0/7.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf    8.6/8.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf
    2.5/2.5/2.5 Robbie         5.0/3.8/2.6 Robbie         7.1/7.1/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.7/8.7/2.6 Robbie
    2.6/2.6/2.6 Robbie         5.2/2.0/2.0 1to9only       7.2/7.2/3.8 m_b_metcalf    8.8/8.8/3.4 m_b_metcalf
    2.8/2.5/2.5 m_b_metcalf    5.4/5.4/2.6 Robbie         7.3/7.3/3.8 Robbie         8.9/8.9/3.4 Robbie
    3.0/3.0/3.0 Robbie         5.6/3.8/3.0 m_b_metcalf    7.4/7.4/2.6 m_b_metcalf    9.0/9.0/3.8 Robbie
    3.2/3.2/2.6 m_b_metcalf    5.7/4.2/2.6 Robbie         7.5/7.5/3.0 Robbie         9.1/9.1/2.6 Robbie
    3.4/3.4/2.6 Robbie         5.8/2.3/2.3 Pat            7.6/7.6/2.6 Robbie         9.2/9.2/2.6 m_b_metcalf
    3.6/3.6/2.6 Robbie         5.9/1.5/1.5 1to9only       7.7/7.7/2.6 Robbie         9.4/2.3/2.3 papy999
    3.8/3.8/3.0 m_b_metcalf    6.0/1.2/1.2 Pat            7.8/7.8/2.6 Robbie
    4.0/4.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf    6.2/6.2/2.6 Robbie         7.9/7.3/2.6 Robbie
    4.2/4.2/3.0 Robbie         6.5/3.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf    8.0/7.2/2.6 Robbie
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    open ratings : 4.9 5.1 6.1 8.1 9.3 9.5-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
        200e200w        0      0         0  dealer
             Pat        2    130     6h29m 
        1to9only        4    137    25m44s 
         papy999        1    354    34m59s  rare-1,highest-rating=195
     m_b_metcalf       19    984    26m15s  rare-0,rare-2,pearl*13
          Robbie       31   2185     1h01m  rare-0,diamond*3,pearl*23,last-entry=171
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               6       57   3790            rare-0*2,rare-1,rare-2,diamond*3,pearl*36


[papy999]

::: more :::

Code: Select all

...........1.2.3...3.1.4.5...6...2...5.783.6...7...8...4.9.8.7...9.1.6...........  D=9.3/1.2/1.2

Mike,
That's one of my 9.3, they are all with ED=1.2

[Robbie]

::: more :::

Code: Select all

...........1.2.3...4.1.5.6...3...2...5.678.4...7...6...9.2.7.8...4.6.1...........  ED=4.9/1.2/1.2
...........1.2.3...2.3.4.5...3...6...7.518.9...8...4...1.7.9.2...6.8.5...........  ED=4.9/1.5/1.5
...........1.2.3...3.4.5.6...6...7...8.316.4...9...2...5.6.8.1...3.9.6...........  ED=5.2/1.2/1.2
...........1.2.3...2.4.5.6...4...1...7.658.4...8...7...8.2.9.5...2.3.4...........  ED=5.2/1.5/1.5
...........1.2.3...3.4.5.1...2...6...4.718.9...7...5...1.9.4.5...3.7.1...........  ED=5.2/2.0/2.0
...........1.2.3...3.4.5.6...2...6...7.168.3...9...7...4.8.6.5...8.7.1...........  ED=5.2/2.3/2.3
...........1.2.3...4.1.5.6...2...6...7.852.9...8...7...8.7.9.4...3.6.1...........  ED=5.9/2.0/2.0
...........1.2.3...2.1.3.4...3...5...1.678.9...6...7...8.9.4.1...2.5.4...........  ED=6.0/1.5/1.5
...........1.2.3...4.5.6.7...4...8...5.197.4...6...9...8.4.5.2...3.7.1...........  ED=6.0/2.0/2.0
...........1.2.3...4.5.6.7...2...8...3.497.6...7...4...5.2.3.9...8.1.6...........  ED=6.1/1.2/1.2
...........1.2.3...2.4.5.1...3...6...7.189.3...5...8...9.3.2.7...8.6.2...........  ED=8.1/1.5/1.5
...........1.2.3...4.1.5.6...4...1...1.347.8...9...7...3.8.1.4...2.7.9...........  ED=9.3/1.2/1.2


I've also found a 9.3 but there is no points bonus for an ED<=2.3
I was also surprised that nobody played a 5.2, because I've found 1713 ER=5.2

Thanks to champagne for his skfr, very efficient ! Filtering the results to give to Serate is the key to get the best puzzles.
I'm not sure to be ready for high rating >10 a lot of improvements to do (serate is so slow !!!)

[champagne]

Hi Robbie,

First of all, 5.2 has been played
I am nearly ready to test the last version of the clone, 5 to 10 times faster than skfr, and having other properties, now implemented till the level "dynamic chains", ratings in the range 8.7_9.??
I should test the code in idle mode for the next game and release it after the game

EDIT a quick benchmark made on the 17 clues file

rating skfr 56 seconds
pre rating with the new code 2.7 seconds

[Robbie]

First of all, 5.2 has been played

You are right, I should only post the 5.2/2.3/2.3 as more

Your improvement of SKFR x 25 faster will change strongly the game
Do you intend to have a 0 deviation from serate or a limited one, ie +/- 0.1 or deviation only for a limited number of rules ?

Next dealer should be papay999, with high rating puzzles (if as game 305, 312 or 317)
I hoped to fight with you in the high rating range (with little hope to win)

Bye

[champagne]

Do you intend to have a 0 deviation from serate or a limited one, ie +/- 0.1 or deviation only for a limited number of rules ?

I'll report on this in due place, but so far, I can't understand why serate misses some moves eg: in "NIshio", but also often in "multi chains".
The new clone should be much closer to skfr than to serate.
If serate misses an elimination in a given level, the deviation can be much bigger than 0.1, a commonly seen deviation when serate (or skfr) just misses the shortest length.

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0324 start LIGHTNING at 2018-09-12+01:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all

dealer status

candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin)

  12 Pat               1 papy999           1 pseudocoup        3 200e200w
   1 coloin            1 Patrice           2 m_b_metcalf      87 g.r.emlin

past patterns

  19 TTHsieh           1 ravel            33 JPF               4 papy999           9 gsf
   1 claudiarabia      1 wintder           3 g.r.emlin        58 tarek
   1 dobrichev        25 coloin            4 200e200w          5 Patrice
   1 draco             2 pseudocoup       42 m_b_metcalf      65 Pat
   1 Eioru            30 Mauricio         43 champagne         6 ronk


[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0324 open LIGHTNING 2018-09-12+01:00:04-0000 dealer papy999 25 clues diagonal (main) symmetry :::

Code: Select all

1 . . . 2 . . . 3
. 2 . 1 . . 4 . .
. . 3 . . 4 . 1 .
. 1 . . 3 . . . 2
2 . . 4 . . 1 . .
. . 5 . . 6 . . .
. 3 . . 7 . 8 . .
. . 7 . . . . 4 .
6 . . 9 . . . . 5  ED=1.5/1.2/1.2

[Robbie]

Code: Select all

1 . . . 2 . . . 3
. 4 . 3 . . 5 . .
. . 5 . . 1 . 6 .
. 7 . . 3 . . . 4
2 . . 7 . . 1 . .
. . 4 . . 8 . . .
. 6 . . 9 . 3 . .
. . 9 . . . . 8 .
5 . . 6 . . . . 7  ED=9.6/9.6/9.6

[champagne]

Code: Select all

1...2...3
.2.4..5..
..6..1.7.
.3..4...8
9..2..4..
..4..5...
.8..1.3..
..7....9.
4..6....5 ED=10.3/10.3/10.3

[1to9only]

Code: Select all

1 . . . 2 . . . 3
. 3 . 4 . . 5 . .
. . 6 . . 3 . 7 .
. 8 . . 6 . . . 9
6 . . 2 . . 4 . .
. . 1 . . 5 . . .
. 6 . . 1 . 3 . .
. . 7 . . . . 2 .
9 . . 8 . . . . 6 ED=10.4/10.4/10.4


[Robbie]

Code: Select all

1 . . . 2 . . . 3
. 2 . 4 . . 1 . .
. . 5 . . 6 . 2 .
. 1 . . 4 . . . 7
8 . . 9 . . 2 . .
. . 6 . . 5 . . .
. 7 . . 8 . 9 . .
. . 1 . . . . 8 .
9 . . 3 . . . . 4  ED=10.5/10.5/10.5