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[champagne]

less then one day and the game is more or less over, peacefull nigth to come and free cycles for others tasks

BTW, the list of high ratings seems closed one or 2 missing on my side

[dobrichev]

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.123.....
45.......
6.7...5..
8..2..1..
....4...6
.....9.3.
..51..2..
.....6.9.
....9...4 ED=4.7/2.0/2.0


[dobrichev]

It was a good challenge for me - a non-typical pattern with enormous ratio of hard puzzles, including very hard, and less number of total puzzles.
Thank you, coloin.

So far 1.4M puzzles in cache, no hope for higher rating, and some non-zero potential for 11.0.

This game I began only from papy999's first 9.5D submission. After an hour I had in hands the 11.4 (still not verified by serate, this took me much more time).

It would be interesting to me how champagne's initial exploitation of the symmetries of the givens worked for this exotic pattern.

[champagne]

It would be interesting to me how champagne's initial exploitation of the symmetries of the givens worked for this exotic pattern.

very simple.
I got one puzzle in the symmetry of given that I used as primary seed (in +-5 if my memory is ok) and I restarted from all valid puzzles in the next cycle.

I also did a +- 5 on the original puzzles and merged all the staff at the second cycle.

I got them this amazing lot of high ratings with most of the final high submissions

But, as I rate all puzzles having a chance to join the data base of potential hardest, I had too many puzzles to rate for the available power, so I stayed out of the game

[champagne]

some more data

Mladen, you covered the field in a better way than me (same for papy999 in lower ratings ) but I have no more interest in finding what seeds to process now

[papy999]

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. 1 2 3 . . . . .
4 5 . . . . . . .
6 . 7 . . . 4 . .
8 . . 7 . . 3 . .
. . . . 3 . . . 6
. . . . . 8 . 5 .
. . 3 4 . . 7 . .
. . . . . 5 . 8 .
. . . . 6 . . . 9   ED=2.5/1.2/1.2

[papy999]

::: comment :::
I just discovered that this pattern is cited in thread "Diagonal Patterns in the "Patterns Game""
http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/diagonal-patterns-in-the-patterns-game-t30208-30.html
This pattern has 2 different position clues as in game 306 !
Coloin submited it last december

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.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..X.X..X.X.....X...X....  game 299                                                               
.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..XX...X.X.....X...X....  queued                                                                 
.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..XX...X..X....X..X.....  above but g.r.emlin says its been played - ? which game ?                 
.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..X.X..X..X....X..X.....  game 073

EDIT - Mystery solved

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.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..X.X..X.X.....X...X....  game 299  11.5/11.5/11.1 Patrice                 
.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..XX...X.X.....X...X....  game 306  11.4/11.4/3.4 Patrice                         
.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..XX...X..X....X..X.....  g.r.emlin has accepted pattern - it has at least a 11.3 and pattern is now queued   
.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..X.X..X..X....X..X.....  game 073  11.4/11.4/11.2 gsf  [s4 symmetry]

we await !

[Patrice]

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This is not a new pattern :
there are 198 morph puzzles of this pattern in champagne list
among them 117 have source = dob (this means dobrichev)

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colh54   1
dob    117
elev     1
GP      63
Hp54     1
tax     15[code]

[Patrice]

::: comment :::
these data comes from ph1512 champagne list

[papy999]

::: comment :::
the 4 patterns are very similar and have high rated puzzles !!!

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.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..X.X..X..X....X..X.....  game 073  11.4/11.4/11.2 gsf
.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..X.X..X.X.....X...X....  game 299  11.5/11.5/11.1 Patrice                 
.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..XX...X.X.....X...X....  game 306  11.4/11.4/3.4 Patrice
.......XX.....XX.X..X...XX...X..X..X.X..X....X..X.......X..XX...X..X....X..X.....  game 313  11.4/11.4/3.4  coloin

Patrice : how did you find your patterns for game 299 and 306

[papy999]

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champagne, dobrichev : did you know that ?!

This is not a new pattern :
there are 198 morph puzzles of this pattern in champagne list
among them 117 have source = dob (this means dobrichev)

Where can I find this list ?

these data comes from ph1512 champagne list

[m_b_metcalf]

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 . 1 2 3 . . . . .
 4 3 . . . . . . .
 5 . 6 . . . 7 . .
 3 . . 7 . . 4 . .
 . . . . 5 . . . 7
 . . . . . 2 . 6 .
 . . 7 4 . . 5 . .
 . . . . . 5 . 1 .
 . . . . 6 . . . 8   ED=4.4/1.2/1.2

[champagne]

::: comment :::

This is not a new pattern :
there are 198 morph puzzles of this pattern in champagne list
among them 117 have source = dob (this means dobrichev)

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colh54   1
dob    117
elev     1
GP      63
Hp54     1
tax     15[code]

Hi Patrice,

Nothing surprising here

tax
Hp54
colh54

are very old sources (>10 years old) and likely most of the highest ratings found here
I have around 250 puzzles having the criteria to join the data base. The new one more likely with ratings below 10.8

I often write that there is little hope to produce high ratings with less than 24 clues this is verified once more

to papy999 the list ph1512 is the release of the potential hardest data base as of december 2015
To have the last release, see the thread "hardest puzzles"

here the high ratings seem to be in a small area, easy to reach through the vicinity

[papy999]

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. 1 2 3 . . . . .
4 5 . . . . . . .
6 . 7 . . . 8 . .
8 . . 2 . . 6 . .
. . . . 1 . . . 3
. . . . . 8 . 5 .
. . 3 6 . . 2 . .
. . . . . 4 . 1 .
. . . . 5 . . . 9   ED=4.0/1.2/1.2

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0313 status 2018-05-19+20:12:38-0000 :::

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game 0313 2018-05-18+23:00:00-0000 duration 21h11m dealer coloin pages 2463-2470 (open) 5 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    4.7/2.0/2.0 dobrichev      8.0/7.3/3.4 dobrichev      9.8/9.8/9.8 dobrichev
    1.5/1.2/1.2 coloin         5.2/5.2/3.4 dobrichev      8.1/1.2/1.2 papy999        9.9/9.9/9.9 dobrichev
    1.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    5.6/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.2/7.6/7.3 papy999     10.0/10.0/10.0 dobrichev
    2.0/2.0/2.0 papy999        6.5/2.0/2.0 dobrichev      8.3/8.3/8.3 dobrichev   10.1/10.1/10.1 dobrichev
    2.3/2.0/2.0 papy999        6.6/3.4/3.4 dobrichev      8.4/8.4/8.4 papy999     10.2/10.2/10.2 dobrichev
    2.5/1.2/1.2 papy999        6.7/6.7/6.6 dobrichev      8.5/8.5/8.5 m_b_metcalf 10.3/10.3/10.1 dobrichev
    2.6/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf    6.8/3.4/3.4 papy999        8.6/8.6/8.5 papy999     10.4/10.4/10.4 dobrichev
    2.8/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf    6.9/2.0/2.0 dobrichev      8.7/8.7/3.4 papy999     10.5/10.5/10.5 champagne
    3.0/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf    7.0/2.0/2.0 dobrichev      8.8/8.8/3.4 dobrichev   10.6/10.6/10.6 dobrichev
    3.2/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf    7.1/7.1/7.1 papy999        8.9/8.9/8.5 m_b_metcalf 10.7/10.7/10.6 papy999
    3.4/3.4/3.4 dobrichev      7.2/7.2/7.2 papy999        9.0/9.0/9.0 dobrichev   10.8/10.8/10.5 dobrichev
    3.6/2.0/2.0 papy999        7.3/7.3/7.3 dobrichev      9.1/9.1/9.1 m_b_metcalf 10.9/10.9/10.9 dobrichev
    3.8/2.0/2.0 papy999        7.4/7.4/7.4 papy999        9.2/9.2/9.2 m_b_metcalf 11.1/11.1/10.9 papy999
    4.0/1.2/1.2 papy999        7.5/7.5/7.3 dobrichev      9.3/9.3/9.3 champagne   11.2/11.2/10.4 papy999
    4.2/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.6/7.6/7.3 m_b_metcalf    9.4/9.4/9.4 papy999     11.3/11.3/11.1 champagne
    4.4/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.7/7.6/3.4 papy999        9.5/9.5/9.5 papy999      11.4/11.4/3.4 papy999
    4.5/3.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf    7.8/7.3/7.3 papy999        9.6/9.6/9.6 champagne
    4.6/2.0/2.0 papy999        7.9/7.6/3.4 dobrichev      9.7/9.7/9.6 dobrichev
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    open ratings : 4.8-5.1 5.4 5.7-6.2 11.0 11.5-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
          coloin        1    -19         0  dealer
       champagne        4    577    10m29s  rare-2,diamond*3,pearl
     m_b_metcalf       15   1018    12m11s  diamond*3,pearl*2,premature-entry
       dobrichev       26   2779    26m38s  rare-0,rare-1,diamond*11,pearl*7,premature-entry
         papy999       24   3062    15m31s  rare-0*3,rare-2,diamond*6,pearl*6,highest-rating=132,last-entry=346,dup-puzzle
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               5       70   7417            rare-0*4,rare-1,rare-2*2,diamond*23,pearl*16