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[papy999]

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[Patrice]

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. 4 . . 1 . . . 9
. . . 6 . . . 2 7   ED=4.8/1.2/1.2

[papy999]

::: comment :::
Is this the end ?

There are some open rating and only 2 points between Patrice and m_b_metcalf !!
But Patrice position is fragile : any additional submission will put m_b_metcalf ahead !

champagne did you find some puzzle 10.9 ? or high rating that are not ep/ed 1.2/1.2 ?

[m_b_metcalf]

There are some open rating and only 2 points between Patrice and m_b_metcalf !!

Well, my cache is exhausted. Comparing with Game 298, the 6.0 rating might be found. But it looks as though my premature posting cost me the essential points. Well done Patrice!

[champagne]

::: comment :::
Is this the end ?

There are some open rating and only 2 points between Patrice and m_b_metcalf !!
But Patrice position is fragile : any additional submission will put m_b_metcalf ahead !

champagne did you find some puzzle 10.9 ? or high rating that are not ep/ed 1.2/1.2 ?

This is likely the end. I did not have the last ER posted by Patrice, but I did not search deeply the pattern

And I have nothing in cache, so no trumping material for the posted 1.2 1.2 and no 10.9

Patrice has undoubtly the 28 11.x and can tell us if there is a new one. (not in the data base of potential hardest)

[papy999]

::: comment :::
g.r.emlin is sleeping again or ... may be that comment or non puzzle submission are "submissions" for the rule

22 hours with no submissions (4 days if < 4 players) the referee posts a message that the game has gone idle

We can stop the game by resigning, as for the game 304

when all but one of the active players have resigned, the referee posts a message that the game is closed.

[papy999]

::: resign :::

[Patrice]

::: comment :::

Patrice has undoubtly the 28 11.x and can tell us if there is a new one. (not in the data base of potential hardest)

I found 28 11.x, but I don't know if these are same or isomorph of what papy claimed

When I selected this pattern, I found 28 11.x ... and the highest rating was 11.3/1.2/1.2 (5 puzzles - non isomorph)

papy999 : can you send me yours ?
I found :
11.0 => 5
11.1 => 8
11.2 => 10
11.3 => 5

I compared the minlex form with champagne last published database ph1512 and I found only 2 new ones . 26 are already in the database with a different form and mainly with skfr rating ... different from serate
The new ones are

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..1..2....3.4...5.6.........5.7....3.......4.2....67.......71...8..9...5...3...98  ED=11.0/1.2/1.2
..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.3....8.......4.2....19.......96...8..7...4...5...73  ED=11.1/1.2/1.2

For a full comparison

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second liine puzzle from ph1512, er ep ed author (GP=champagne, dob= dobritchev...) publish date, source, number of clues, * means skfr rating

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..1..2....3.4...5.6.........5.7....3.......4.2....67.......71...8..9...5...3...98  ED=11.0/1.2/1.2
NEW one

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........4.7....8.......9.2....17.......76...5..9...4...8...39  ED=11.0/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...9.5....4..3...7..3..8...9.........3..2.1..5.8..6.......1..4.......2.   10.90   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   110196   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........4.7....8.......3.2....17.......76...5..9...3...8...94  ED=11.0/1.2/1.2
.....6...4...8..3....2..1...7..3..5...5..16..9.........9..4...8..2...5..83.....7.   11.00   1.20   1.20   elev   3421   6854   21

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....9.......4.2....18.......86...5..7...4...9...73  ED=11.0/1.2/1.2
........1.....2.3...4.5.6....5.......7...1..28...7.9...3...7...5..9..4..6.9.8....   10.90   1.20   1.20   dob   12_12_03   276398   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........4.7....8.......3.2....67.......71...5..9...3...8...94  ED=11.0/1.2/1.2
........1.....2.3...4.5.6....6.......7...1..28...7.5...3...7...5.9.8....6..9..4..   10.80   1.20   1.20   dob   12_12_03   276401   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....3.......4.2....18.......86...9..7...5...3...79  ED=11.1/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...8.9....5..4...7..4..8...3.........4..2.1..6.3..7.......1..2.......5.   10.90   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   110050   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....9.......3.2....68.......81...5..7...4...9...73  ED=11.1/1.2/1.2
........1.....2.3...4.5.6....5.......7...3..28...7.9...1...7...5..6..4..6.9.8....   11.00   1.20   1.20   dob   12_12_03   280312   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....9.......4.2....18.......86...5..7...4...9...37  ED=11.1/1.2/1.2
........1.....2.3...4.5.6....5.......7...1..28...7.9...3...7...5.9.8....6..9..4..   11.00   1.20   1.20   dob   12_12_03   280313   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....3.......9.2....18.......86...9..5...4...3...75  ED=11.1/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...9.5....4..3...7..3..8...5.........3..2.1..9.6..7.......1..2.......4.   11.00   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   110190   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....9.......4.2....18.......86...5..4...7...9...34  ED=11.1/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...9.5....4..3...7..3..9...9.........3..2.1..5.8..6.......1..4.......2.   11.00   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   110200   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.3....8.......4.2....19.......96...8..7...4...5...73  ED=11.1/1.2/1.2
NEW one

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........5.7....8.......9.2....17.......76...9..4...5...8...43  ED=11.1/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...8.5....4..3...7..3..6...5.........3..2.1..6.8..9.......1..2.......4.   11.00   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   109023   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........5.7....8.......9.2....17.......76...9..8...5...3...84  ED=11.1/1.2/1.2
........1.....2.3...4.5.6....7.......6..8.9..8....1..2.7.4..5...95.7....3....8...   11.00   1.20   1.20   dob   12_12_03   292810   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........4.7....8.......3.2....67.......71...5..9...3...8...49  ED=11.2/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...9.5....4..3...7..3..8...6.........3..2.1..5.8..6.......1..4.......2.   10.90   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   110193   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........5.7....8.......4.2....17.......76...9..5...4...8...39  ED=11.2/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...8.5....4..3...7..3..8...5.........3..2.1..9.5..6.......1..4.......2.   11.10   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   109027   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.3....8.......7.2....19.......96...5..4...3...8...47  ED=11.2/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...9.5....4..3...7..8..6...6.........3..2.1..5.9..8.......1..4.......2.   11.10   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   110206   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....3.......4.2....68.......81...5..9...7...3...94  ED=11.2/1.2/1.2
........1.....2.3...4.5.6....5.......6..7.8..7....1..2.59.6.....8.9..4..3....7...   11.10   1.20   1.20   dob   12_12_03   280314   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....9.......3.2....68.......81...5..4...3...9...47  ED=11.2/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...8.5....4..3...7..3..9...6.........3..2.1..5.8..6.......1..4.......2.   11.10   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   109029   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....9.......3.2....18.......86...5..3...7...9...43  ED=11.2/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...9.5....4..3...7..3..6...9.........3..2.1..5.8..9.......1..4.......2.   11.10   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   110187   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....3.......9.2....18.......86...9..5...4...3...79  ED=11.2/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...9.5....4..3...7..3..8...5.........3..2.1..9.6..7.......1..4.......2.   11.00   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   110191   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........4.7....8.......4.2....67.......71...9..5...4...8...39  ED=11.2/1.2/1.2
........1.....2.3...4.5.6....5.......7...1..28...7.5...3...7...5..4..9..9.6.8....   10.90   1.20   1.20   dob   12_12_03   276396   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........5.7....8.......4.2....17.......76...9..5...3...8...94  ED=11.2/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...9.5....4..3...7..3..9...5.........3..2.1..6.5..8.......1..4.......2.   11.20   1.20   1.20   GP   12_07   38504   21   

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....3.......7.2....68.......81...9..5...7...3...49  ED=11.2/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...8.5....4..3...7..3..6...5.........3..2.1..9.8..7.......1..2.......4.   11.10   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   109024   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....9.......3.2....68.......81...5..4...3...9...74  ED=11.3/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...9.5....4..3...7..3..8...6.........3..2.1..5.9..6.......1..4.......2.   11.10   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   110195   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....9.......3.2....18.......86...5..7...3...9...47  ED=11.3/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...9.5....4..3...7..3..9...6.........3..2.1..5.8..6.......1..2.......4.   11.20   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   110198   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.8....9.......7.2....18.......86...5..4...7...9...43  ED=11.3/1.2/1.2
98.7.....6...8.5....4..3...7..3..6...6.........3..2.1..5.8..9.......1..4.......2.   11.10   1.20   1.20   GP   12_11   109025   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........5.7....8.......3.2....17.......76...9..5...3...8...49  ED=11.3/1.2/1.2
........1.....2.3...4.5.6....5.......7...1..28...7.9...3...7...4.6.8....9..6..5..   11.10   1.20   1.20   dob   12_12_03   276395   21   *

..1..2....3.4...5.6.........7.3....8.......3.2....19.......96...8..4...5...5...47  ED=11.3/1.2/1.2
98.7.....7...8.6....5..4...6..3..9...3.........4..2.1..7.8..3.......1..2.......5.   11.30   1.20   1.20   GP   12_07   38678   21   


[Patrice]

::: resign :::

[champagne]

As I wrote arlier, they seem to be in a tiny area, with the same start in caninical min lexical form.

In the general search, I don't pass the +/+ 3 on pattern and I think that laden didthe same. This can explain that 2 are missing.

I use serate only when the skfr rating is over 11 to produce an homogeneous set of very high ratings.

This lot has no exotic pattern known by my programs, although the following cells

..x..x...
.........
x........
...x.....
.........
......x..
.....x...
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seem to play a key role for most puzzles rating 11.x

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0305 idle 2018-02-23+12:03:52-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2018-02-23+15:00:00-0000 :::

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game 0305 2018-02-19+11:00:00-0000 duration 1d23h dealer papy999 pages 2396-2404 (open) 6 players 3 resigned
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 200e200w       4.8/1.2/1.2 Patrice        7.6/7.3/2.6 Patrice        9.5/9.5/9.5 champagne
    1.5/1.5/1.5 Patrice        5.0/1.2/1.2 Patrice        7.7/7.3/2.6 Patrice        9.6/9.6/9.4 Pat
    1.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    5.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.8/7.8/3.4 champagne      9.7/9.7/9.4 m_b_metcalf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 Patrice        5.6/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    7.9/7.8/2.6 m_b_metcalf    9.8/9.8/9.5 champagne
    2.3/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    5.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    8.0/8.0/6.7 m_b_metcalf    9.9/9.9/9.8 m_b_metcalf
    2.5/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    5.8/1.2/1.2 champagne      8.1/1.2/1.2 champagne    10.0/10.0/9.9 m_b_metcalf
    2.6/2.3/2.3 papy999        5.9/1.2/1.2 champagne      8.2/8.2/2.6 Patrice      10.1/10.1/9.4 m_b_metcalf
    2.8/2.3/2.3 papy999        6.2/1.2/1.2 champagne      8.3/8.3/6.7 m_b_metcalf   10.2/1.2/1.2 Patrice
    3.0/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    6.5/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    8.4/8.4/6.7 Patrice       10.3/1.2/1.2 Patrice
    3.2/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    6.6/2.3/2.3 Patrice        8.5/8.5/3.4 champagne    10.4/10.4/9.5 champagne
    3.4/3.4/3.4 Patrice        6.7/6.7/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.6/8.6/2.6 champagne    10.5/10.5/9.8 m_b_metcalf
    3.6/2.0/2.0 Patrice        6.8/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    8.7/8.5/2.6 Patrice      10.6/10.6/9.9 m_b_metcalf
    3.8/2.3/2.3 Patrice        6.9/2.3/2.3 Patrice        8.8/8.8/3.4 Pat          10.7/10.7/9.9 m_b_metcalf
    4.0/1.2/1.2 papy999        7.0/2.5/2.5 Patrice        8.9/8.9/8.8 Patrice       10.8/1.2/1.2 200e200w
    4.2/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    7.1/7.1/3.4 m_b_metcalf    9.0/9.0/9.0 Patrice       11.0/1.2/1.2 champagne
    4.4/3.6/2.6 Patrice        7.2/7.2/6.7 Pat            9.1/9.1/9.1 200e200w      11.1/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf
    4.5/2.3/2.3 Patrice        7.3/7.3/2.6 Patrice        9.2/9.2/9.1 m_b_metcalf   11.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf
    4.6/2.3/2.3 champagne      7.4/7.3/2.6 Patrice        9.3/9.3/9.2 Patrice       11.3/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf
    4.7/1.2/1.2 papy999        7.5/7.5/2.6 m_b_metcalf    9.4/9.4/9.4 Patrice
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    open ratings : 4.9 5.1 5.4 6.0 6.1 10.9 11.4-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
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        200e200w        3     71    37m20s  diamond,dup-puzzle,resigned
         papy999        4    298    26m14s  dealer,resigned
             Pat        3    330     6m59s  pearl*3
       champagne       12   1058    46m03s  diamond,pearl*5,dup-puzzle
     m_b_metcalf       28   2553    36m37s  rare-0,rare-2*2,pearl*13,highest-rating=122,premature-entry
         Patrice       25   2555    23m20s  rare-2,diamond*3,pearl*5,last-entry=321,resigned
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               6       75   6865            rare-0,rare-2*3,diamond*5,pearl*26,resigned*3


[Patrice]

In the general search, I don't pass the +/+ 3 on pattern

Do you mean that you do only {+/-2} vicinity search ?

[champagne]

In the general search, I don't pass the +/+ 3 on pattern

Do you mean that you do only {+/-2} vicinity search ?

No I do +/- 0-3 on pattern and +/- 1 on cells except when I want to change the count of clues.
After several cycles, in most cases, the vicinity is covered. I was somehow surprised to see 2 puzzles missing as It seems that we have here a common hidden logic explaining the rating.

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0305 closed (idle for 2d04h) -- preliminary results :::

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game 0305 2018-02-19+11:00:00-0000 duration 1d23h dealer papy999 pages 2396-2404 (final) 6 players 3 resigned
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 200e200w       4.8/1.2/1.2 Patrice        7.6/7.3/2.6 Patrice        9.5/9.5/9.5 champagne
    1.5/1.5/1.5 Patrice        5.0/1.2/1.2 Patrice        7.7/7.3/2.6 Patrice        9.6/9.6/9.4 Pat
    1.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    5.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    7.8/7.8/3.4 champagne      9.7/9.7/9.4 m_b_metcalf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 Patrice        5.6/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    7.9/7.8/2.6 m_b_metcalf    9.8/9.8/9.5 champagne
    2.3/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    5.7/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    8.0/8.0/6.7 m_b_metcalf    9.9/9.9/9.8 m_b_metcalf
    2.5/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    5.8/1.2/1.2 champagne      8.1/1.2/1.2 champagne    10.0/10.0/9.9 m_b_metcalf
    2.6/2.3/2.3 papy999        5.9/1.2/1.2 champagne      8.2/8.2/2.6 Patrice      10.1/10.1/9.4 m_b_metcalf
    2.8/2.3/2.3 papy999        6.2/1.2/1.2 champagne      8.3/8.3/6.7 m_b_metcalf   10.2/1.2/1.2 Patrice
    3.0/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    6.5/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    8.4/8.4/6.7 Patrice       10.3/1.2/1.2 Patrice
    3.2/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    6.6/2.3/2.3 Patrice        8.5/8.5/3.4 champagne    10.4/10.4/9.5 champagne
    3.4/3.4/3.4 Patrice        6.7/6.7/3.4 m_b_metcalf    8.6/8.6/2.6 champagne    10.5/10.5/9.8 m_b_metcalf
    3.6/2.0/2.0 Patrice        6.8/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    8.7/8.5/2.6 Patrice      10.6/10.6/9.9 m_b_metcalf
    3.8/2.3/2.3 Patrice        6.9/2.3/2.3 Patrice        8.8/8.8/3.4 Pat          10.7/10.7/9.9 m_b_metcalf
    4.0/1.2/1.2 papy999        7.0/2.5/2.5 Patrice        8.9/8.9/8.8 Patrice       10.8/1.2/1.2 200e200w
    4.2/2.3/2.3 m_b_metcalf    7.1/7.1/3.4 m_b_metcalf    9.0/9.0/9.0 Patrice       11.0/1.2/1.2 champagne
    4.4/3.6/2.6 Patrice        7.2/7.2/6.7 Pat            9.1/9.1/9.1 200e200w      11.1/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf
    4.5/2.3/2.3 Patrice        7.3/7.3/2.6 Patrice        9.2/9.2/9.1 m_b_metcalf   11.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf
    4.6/2.3/2.3 champagne      7.4/7.3/2.6 Patrice        9.3/9.3/9.2 Patrice       11.3/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf
    4.7/1.2/1.2 papy999        7.5/7.5/2.6 m_b_metcalf    9.4/9.4/9.4 Patrice
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    open ratings : 4.9 5.1 5.4 6.0 6.1 10.9 11.4-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
        200e200w        3     71    37m20s  diamond,dup-puzzle,resigned
         papy999        4    298    26m14s  dealer,resigned
             Pat        3    330     6m59s  pearl*3
       champagne       12   1058    46m03s  diamond,pearl*5,dup-puzzle
     m_b_metcalf       28   2553    36m37s  rare-0,rare-2*2,pearl*13,highest-rating=122,premature-entry
         Patrice       25   2555    23m20s  rare-2,diamond*3,pearl*5,last-entry=321,resigned
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               6       75   6865            rare-0,rare-2*3,diamond*5,pearl*26,resigned*3


[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0306 start LIGHTNING at 2018-02-27+00:00:00-0000 :::

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dealer status

candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin)

   1 champagne         1 m_b_metcalf       6 200e200w         87 g.r.emlin
   1 coloin            4 Patrice           7 Pat

past patterns

   1 200e200w          1 Eioru             2 papy999          40 m_b_metcalf       9 gsf
  19 TTHsieh           1 pseudocoup        2 Patrice          42 champagne
   1 claudiarabia      1 ravel            30 Mauricio         58 tarek
   1 dobrichev         1 wintder          33 JPF              62 Pat
   1 draco            22 coloin            3 g.r.emlin         6 ronk