Patterns Game

Interactive on-site game threads go here

Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:44 am

Patrice wrote:I've found 44 11.x (i've not verified the sudoku between 10.3 and 10.9)


So we have the same count and likely the same list !!!
I am convinced that we covered 100% of the field of potential hardest.

As you could see, lacking free cores and free time to go deeper, I just tried to investigate the vicinity of known puzzles in the range 4.5 / 6.1, finding the last submission.

And I lost one or 2 days in the debugging of my 17 clues search :evil:
champagne
2017 Supporter
 
Posts: 6285
Joined: 02 August 2007
Location: France Brittany

Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:04 pm

champagne wrote:I am convinced that we covered 100% of the field of potential hardest.

But I've found 5 new ones, and you have probably found them either ... I'm confident : we should have the same list

5 new ones / 39 already in your DB => it can mean you covered 90% of the field, not 100% :?:

These new ones are rated "11.0<=er<=11.2"
Patrice
 
Posts: 1921
Joined: 07 November 2010
Location: Paris France

Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:13 pm

Patrice wrote:
champagne wrote:I am convinced that we covered 100% of the field of potential hardest.

But I've found 5 new ones, and you have probably found them either ... I'm confident : we should have the same list

5 new ones / 39 already in your DB => it can mean you covered 90% of the field, not 100% :?:

These new ones are rated "11.0<=er<=11.2"

but I wrote several pages back that I had the 44 in the game
champagne
2017 Supporter
 
Posts: 6285
Joined: 02 August 2007
Location: France Brittany

Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:44 pm

::: comment :::
Yes you found them, during this game, but they are not in your "potential hardest sudoku DB" ph_1512 !
Only 39 sudokus are in ph_1512 (isomorph), 5 are new ones !
Patrice
 
Posts: 1921
Joined: 07 November 2010
Location: Paris France

Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:34 pm

champagne wrote:I am convinced that we covered 100% of the field of potential hardest.

Sorry, champagne, I did not understand you correctly
You were speaking about this specific pattern and I thought that you were speaking of the general search for hardest Sudoku.

You are certainly right !
43 of these 11.x came within the first 70 000 generated puzzles, one more is ranked 119 656... and then nothing ...
And i'm sure we have the same list (if we put them in canonical form) !

Perhaps papy999, the dealer, could add something more ?
Patrice
 
Posts: 1921
Joined: 07 November 2010
Location: Paris France

Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:28 pm

BTW I tkink that 80 different ER is far above the known maximum for a 22 clues pattern.
champagne
2017 Supporter
 
Posts: 6285
Joined: 02 August 2007
Location: France Brittany

Postby g.r.emlin » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:13 am

::: game 0298 idle LIGHTNING 2017-12-13+09:13:37-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2017-12-13+12:00:00-0000 :::
Code: Select all
game 0298 2017-12-09+05:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 3d03h dealer papy999 pages 2334-2344 (open) 4 players
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    1.2/1.2/1.2 champagne      4.9/1.2/1.2 champagne      7.4/7.3/2.8 champagne      9.4/9.4/9.3 Patrice
    1.5/1.5/1.5 Patrice        5.0/1.5/1.5 Patrice        7.5/3.4/2.6 Patrice        9.5/9.5/9.3 champagne
    1.7/1.5/1.5 Patrice        5.1/1.2/1.2 champagne      7.6/7.3/3.4 Patrice        9.6/9.6/9.4 champagne
    2.0/2.0/2.0 champagne      5.2/2.0/2.0 champagne      7.7/7.2/3.4 Patrice        9.7/9.7/9.4 Patrice
    2.3/2.0/2.0 champagne      5.4/1.2/1.2 Patrice        7.8/7.8/3.4 Patrice        9.8/9.8/9.5 Patrice
    2.5/2.0/2.0 champagne      5.6/3.4/3.4 Patrice        7.9/7.2/3.4 champagne      9.9/9.9/9.7 Patrice
    2.6/2.0/2.0 champagne      5.7/1.5/1.5 champagne      8.0/2.0/2.0 champagne    10.0/10.0/9.9 Patrice
    2.8/2.0/2.0 champagne      5.8/1.2/1.2 champagne      8.1/1.2/1.2 champagne    10.1/10.1/9.5 Patrice
    3.0/3.0/3.0 Patrice        5.9/1.2/1.2 Patrice        8.2/8.2/2.8 champagne    10.2/10.2/9.7 champagne
    3.2/2.0/2.0 Patrice        6.0/1.2/1.2 champagne      8.3/8.3/5.0 Patrice      10.3/10.3/9.9 champagne
    3.4/3.4/3.4 champagne      6.2/1.5/1.5 champagne      8.4/8.4/7.1 Patrice      10.4/10.4/9.9 Patrice
    3.6/3.4/2.6 champagne      6.5/3.4/3.4 Patrice        8.5/8.5/7.1 Patrice      10.5/10.5/9.9 champagne
    3.8/3.0/3.0 champagne      6.6/5.0/3.4 Patrice        8.6/8.6/3.4 Patrice      10.6/10.6/9.9 m_b_metcalf
    4.0/2.0/2.0 champagne      6.7/6.7/3.4 Patrice        8.7/8.7/2.8 Patrice      10.7/10.7/9.3 champagne
    4.2/3.4/3.4 Patrice        6.8/3.4/3.4 Patrice        8.8/8.8/6.6 champagne    10.8/10.8/3.4 champagne
    4.4/3.4/3.4 Patrice        6.9/3.4/3.4 Patrice        8.9/8.9/8.4 Patrice       11.0/1.2/1.2 champagne
    4.5/3.4/3.4 champagne      7.0/3.4/3.4 champagne      9.0/9.0/8.9 champagne   11.1/11.1/10.0 Patrice
    4.6/2.0/2.0 Patrice        7.1/7.1/6.7 Patrice        9.1/9.1/9.1 Patrice     11.2/11.2/10.0 Patrice
    4.7/1.5/1.5 Patrice        7.2/7.2/7.1 Patrice        9.2/9.2/9.2 champagne    11.3/11.3/3.4 champagne
    4.8/1.2/1.2 champagne      7.3/7.3/7.2 Patrice        9.3/9.3/9.3 Patrice     11.4/11.4/10.0 champagne
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    rare ratings : 11.4

    open ratings : 6.1 10.9 11.6-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
         papy999        0      0         0  dealer
     m_b_metcalf        1    126    59.00s  pearl
       champagne       38   3842    53m00s  rare-0*2,rare-1,diamond*2,pearl*12,highest-rating=80,last-entry=380
         Patrice       41   4097    52m50s  rare-0*3,rare-1,diamond*3,pearl*20,consecutive-entry,dup-puzzle,se-mismatch
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               4       80   8065            rare-0*5,rare-1*2,diamond*5,pearl*33
User avatar
g.r.emlin
Moderator
 
Posts: 8938
Joined: 07 December 2007
Location: www

Postby g.r.emlin » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:04 pm

::: game 0298 closed LIGHTNING (idle for 1d04h) -- preliminary results :::
Code: Select all
game 0298 2017-12-09+05:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 3d03h dealer papy999 pages 2334-2344 (final) 4 players
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    1.2/1.2/1.2 champagne      4.9/1.2/1.2 champagne      7.4/7.3/2.8 champagne      9.4/9.4/9.3 Patrice
    1.5/1.5/1.5 Patrice        5.0/1.5/1.5 Patrice        7.5/3.4/2.6 Patrice        9.5/9.5/9.3 champagne
    1.7/1.5/1.5 Patrice        5.1/1.2/1.2 champagne      7.6/7.3/3.4 Patrice        9.6/9.6/9.4 champagne
    2.0/2.0/2.0 champagne      5.2/2.0/2.0 champagne      7.7/7.2/3.4 Patrice        9.7/9.7/9.4 Patrice
    2.3/2.0/2.0 champagne      5.4/1.2/1.2 Patrice        7.8/7.8/3.4 Patrice        9.8/9.8/9.5 Patrice
    2.5/2.0/2.0 champagne      5.6/3.4/3.4 Patrice        7.9/7.2/3.4 champagne      9.9/9.9/9.7 Patrice
    2.6/2.0/2.0 champagne      5.7/1.5/1.5 champagne      8.0/2.0/2.0 champagne    10.0/10.0/9.9 Patrice
    2.8/2.0/2.0 champagne      5.8/1.2/1.2 champagne      8.1/1.2/1.2 champagne    10.1/10.1/9.5 Patrice
    3.0/3.0/3.0 Patrice        5.9/1.2/1.2 Patrice        8.2/8.2/2.8 champagne    10.2/10.2/9.7 champagne
    3.2/2.0/2.0 Patrice        6.0/1.2/1.2 champagne      8.3/8.3/5.0 Patrice      10.3/10.3/9.9 champagne
    3.4/3.4/3.4 champagne      6.2/1.5/1.5 champagne      8.4/8.4/7.1 Patrice      10.4/10.4/9.9 Patrice
    3.6/3.4/2.6 champagne      6.5/3.4/3.4 Patrice        8.5/8.5/7.1 Patrice      10.5/10.5/9.9 champagne
    3.8/3.0/3.0 champagne      6.6/5.0/3.4 Patrice        8.6/8.6/3.4 Patrice      10.6/10.6/9.9 m_b_metcalf
    4.0/2.0/2.0 champagne      6.7/6.7/3.4 Patrice        8.7/8.7/2.8 Patrice      10.7/10.7/9.3 champagne
    4.2/3.4/3.4 Patrice        6.8/3.4/3.4 Patrice        8.8/8.8/6.6 champagne    10.8/10.8/3.4 champagne
    4.4/3.4/3.4 Patrice        6.9/3.4/3.4 Patrice        8.9/8.9/8.4 Patrice       11.0/1.2/1.2 champagne
    4.5/3.4/3.4 champagne      7.0/3.4/3.4 champagne      9.0/9.0/8.9 champagne   11.1/11.1/10.0 Patrice
    4.6/2.0/2.0 Patrice        7.1/7.1/6.7 Patrice        9.1/9.1/9.1 Patrice     11.2/11.2/10.0 Patrice
    4.7/1.5/1.5 Patrice        7.2/7.2/7.1 Patrice        9.2/9.2/9.2 champagne    11.3/11.3/3.4 champagne
    4.8/1.2/1.2 champagne      7.3/7.3/7.2 Patrice        9.3/9.3/9.3 Patrice     11.4/11.4/10.0 champagne
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    rare ratings : 11.4

    open ratings : 6.1 10.9 11.6-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
         papy999        0      0         0  dealer
     m_b_metcalf        1    126    59.00s  pearl
       champagne       38   3842    53m00s  rare-0*2,rare-1,diamond*2,pearl*12,highest-rating=80,last-entry=380
         Patrice       41   4097    52m50s  rare-0*3,rare-1,diamond*3,pearl*20,consecutive-entry,dup-puzzle,se-mismatch
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               4       80   8065            rare-0*5,rare-1*2,diamond*5,pearl*33
User avatar
g.r.emlin
Moderator
 
Posts: 8938
Joined: 07 December 2007
Location: www

Postby g.r.emlin » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:04 am

::: game 0299 start at 2017-12-16+21:00:00-0000 :::
Code: Select all
dealer status

candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin)

   1 Patrice           2 coloin           87 g.r.emlin
   2 champagne         2 m_b_metcalf       8 Pat

past patterns

  19 TTHsieh           1 Eioru             1 ravel            33 JPF              58 tarek
   1 claudiarabia      1 papy999           1 wintder          39 m_b_metcalf      61 Pat
   1 dobrichev         1 Patrice          21 coloin            3 g.r.emlin         6 ronk
   1 draco             1 pseudocoup       30 Mauricio         41 champagne         9 gsf
User avatar
g.r.emlin
Moderator
 
Posts: 8938
Joined: 07 December 2007
Location: www

Postby g.r.emlin » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:00 pm

::: game 0299 open 2017-12-16+21:00:07-0000 dealer coloin 22 clues diagonal (main) symmetry :::
Code: Select all
. 1 2 . . . . . .
3 . 4 . . . 6 . .
5 7 . 9 . . . . .
. . 3 7 . . 5 . .
. . . . 9 . . . 1
. . . . . 4 . 2 .
. 9 . 8 . . 3 . .
. . . . . 2 . . 6
. . . . 1 . . 4 .  ED=1.5/1.2/1.2
User avatar
g.r.emlin
Moderator
 
Posts: 8938
Joined: 07 December 2007
Location: www

Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:38 pm

Code: Select all
. 1 2 . . . . . .
3 . 4 . . . 5 . .
5 6 . 4 . . . . .
. . 3 5 . . 2 . .
. . . . 1 . . . 7
. . . . . 8 . 9 .
. 4 . 2 . . 6 . .
. . . . . 9 . . 1
. . . . 7 . . 8 .  ED=11.5/11.5/11.1
Patrice
 
Posts: 1921
Joined: 07 November 2010
Location: Paris France

Re: Patterns Game

Postby m_b_metcalf » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:45 pm

Code: Select all
 . 1 2 . . . . . .
 3 . 4 . . . 5 . .
 6 5 . 2 . . . . .
 . . 7 5 . . 8 . .
 . . . . 9 . . . 4
 . . . . . 3 . 1 .
 . 8 . 7 . . 2 . .
 . . . . . 6 . . 3
 . . . . 1 . . 9 .   ED=9.6/9.6/9.6
User avatar
m_b_metcalf
2017 Supporter
 
Posts: 8993
Joined: 15 May 2006
Location: Berlin

Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:50 pm

Code: Select all
. 1 2 . . . . . .
3 . 4 . . . 1 . .
5 6 . 4 . . . . .
. . 7 3 . . 4 . .
. . . . 2 . . . 8
. . . . . 5 . 6 .
. 3 . 1 . . 7 . .
. . . . . 6 . . 2
. . . . 8 . . 5 .  ED=9.5/9.5/9.5
Patrice
 
Posts: 1921
Joined: 07 November 2010
Location: Paris France

Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:51 pm

::: comment :::
Going to sleep... good night !
Patrice
 
Posts: 1921
Joined: 07 November 2010
Location: Paris France

Postby g.r.emlin » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:03 pm

::: rarity :::
Code: Select all
2017-12-16+21:38:00-0000 11.5/11.5/11.1 Patrice rare ED not seen before
User avatar
g.r.emlin
Moderator
 
Posts: 8938
Joined: 07 December 2007
Location: www

PreviousNext

Return to Interactive games