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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:44 pm

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.9...75..
..46.....
....3...2 ED=1.2/1.2/1.2
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:56 pm

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. . . . 5 . . . 2  ED=8.0/8.0/7.1
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby ghfick » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:58 pm

I decided to attempt the 11.4 posted by champagne with game 0294 p2301. Sometimes, a puzzle with a high rating with Sudoku Explainer will fall with more recently established methods. For this puzzle though, one gets only 2 bi-value cells [both with (5) and (9)] and only 3 other strong links. This strikes me as very rare indeed. Then there are only 12 tri-value cells. There are only 8 pairs of cells where JE base cells are even possible [4 horizontal, 4 vertical]. I believe none of these pairs can be base cells for JEs, not even with the extended JE forms detailed in David P Bird's compendium. I am also fairly sure that there are no more general Exocets, no help from Braids, no SK Loops, MSLS or MultiFish [please correct me if I missed anything non-assumptive]. So, I believe this puzzle is very distinctive. I am hesitant to speak about difficulty ratings. This puzzle, though, gives up nothing from essentially its start. Many of the famous 'extreme' puzzles have an SK Loop or an MSLS early on and remain extreme but this one appears to contain nothing.
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:35 pm

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8..3...1.
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:39 pm

ghfick wrote:I decided to attempt the 11.4 posted by champagne with game 0294 p2301. Sometimes, a puzzle with a high rating with Sudoku Explainer will fall with more recently established methods. For this puzzle though, one gets only 2 bi-value cells [both with (5) and (9)] and only 3 other strong links. This strikes me as very rare indeed. Then there are only 12 tri-value cells. There are only 8 pairs of cells where JE base cells are even possible [4 horizontal, 4 vertical]. I believe none of these pairs can be base cells for JEs, not even with the extended JE forms detailed in David P Bird's compendium. I am also fairly sure that there are no more general Exocets, no help from Braids, no SK Loops, MSLS or MultiFish [please correct me if I missed anything non-assumptive]. So, I believe this puzzle is very distinctive. I am hesitant to speak about difficulty ratings. This puzzle, though, gives up nothing from essentially its start. Many of the famous 'extreme' puzzles have an SK Loop or an MSLS early on and remain extreme but this one appears to contain nothing.


Hi ghfick,

As far as I remember, about 10 to 20% of the top puzzles in the file of potential hardest have no "exotic pattern". I'll see what says my solver about this one.
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:43 pm

Patrice wrote: ED=7.9/7.9/7.8

Hi Patrice,

BTW, I did not have this one my best 7.9 was 7.9 7.9 7.3
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:49 pm

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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:50 pm

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Postby g.r.emlin » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:59 pm

::: game 0294 status LIGHTNING 2017-10-20+18:59:12-0000 :::
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game 0294 2017-10-15+03:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 5d15h dealer champagne pages 2298-2304 (open) 2 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 champagne      6.6/6.6/6.6 Patrice        8.4/8.4/8.4 Patrice        9.9/9.9/9.9 champagne
    1.5/1.5/1.5 Patrice        6.7/6.7/6.7 champagne      8.5/8.5/8.5 champagne   10.0/10.0/10.0 champagne
    1.7/1.2/1.2 champagne      7.0/7.0/7.0 Patrice        8.6/8.6/8.6 Patrice     10.1/10.1/10.1 champagne
    2.0/2.0/2.0 champagne      7.1/7.1/7.1 champagne      8.7/8.7/8.7 champagne   10.2/10.2/10.2 Patrice
    2.5/2.5/2.5 Patrice        7.2/7.2/7.2 Patrice        8.8/8.8/8.8 Patrice     10.3/10.3/10.3 Patrice
    2.8/2.8/2.8 champagne      7.3/7.3/7.3 champagne      8.9/8.9/8.9 champagne   10.4/10.4/10.4 champagne
    3.0/3.0/3.0 Patrice        7.4/7.4/7.4 Patrice        9.0/9.0/9.0 Patrice     10.5/10.5/10.5 Patrice
    3.2/3.2/3.2 champagne      7.5/7.5/7.5 champagne      9.1/9.1/9.1 champagne   10.6/10.6/10.6 champagne
    3.4/3.4/3.4 Patrice        7.6/7.6/7.6 Patrice        9.2/9.2/9.2 Patrice     10.7/10.7/10.7 Patrice
    3.6/3.6/3.6 champagne      7.7/7.7/7.3 Patrice        9.3/9.3/9.3 champagne   10.8/10.8/10.5 Patrice
    3.8/3.8/3.8 Patrice        7.8/7.8/7.8 champagne      9.4/9.4/9.4 Patrice       10.9/1.2/1.2 champagne
    4.4/4.4/4.4 champagne      7.9/7.9/7.8 Patrice        9.5/9.5/9.5 Patrice      11.0/11.0/9.9 Patrice
    4.5/4.5/3.4 Patrice        8.0/8.0/7.2 champagne      9.6/9.6/9.6 Patrice     11.1/11.1/11.1 champagne
    4.6/4.6/3.4 champagne      8.2/8.2/8.2 Patrice        9.7/9.7/9.7 champagne     11.4/1.2/1.2 champagne
    4.7/4.7/3.4 champagne      8.3/8.3/8.3 champagne      9.8/9.8/9.8 Patrice
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    rare ratings : 11.4

    open ratings : 2.3 2.6 4.0 4.2 4.8-5.2 5.4 5.6-6.2 6.5 6.8 6.9 8.1 11.2 11.3 11.6-11.8

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
       ---------  -------  -----  --------  -----
         Patrice       29   3295     2h15m  rare-1,diamond*23,pearl*5
       champagne       30   3700     2h18m  rare-0,rare-2,diamond*22,pearl*3,highest-rating=280,last-entry=319,dup-rating,dealer
       ---------  -------  -----            -----
               2       59   6995            rare-0,rare-1,rare-2,diamond*45,pearl*8
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:59 pm

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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:01 pm

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....6...3 ED=6.0/1.2/1.2
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:02 pm

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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:18 pm

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.4..8...5
..9...3..
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....9...6 ED=11.2/1.2/1.2
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby Patrice » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:34 pm

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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:39 pm

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..3...5..
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....6...9 ED=6.5/4.5/3.4
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