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Postby g.r.emlin » Mon May 11, 2015 11:04 am

::: game 0252 start LIGHTNING at 2015-05-12+04:00:00-0000 :::
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   1 tarek             2 Pat               6 m_b_metcalf      19 champagne        87 g.r.emlin

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   1 claudiarabia      1 ravel             9 gsf              29 m_b_metcalf      57 tarek
   1 draco             1 wintder          19 TTHsieh          30 Mauricio
   1 Eioru             3 g.r.emlin        21 coloin           33 JPF
   1 pseudocoup        6 ronk             24 champagne        45 Pat
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re: 251

Postby Pat » Mon May 11, 2015 11:57 am

champagne (2015.Apr.28) wrote:
    Find all puzzles having a symmetry of given for one diagonal.

      this is something I do when I play in the interactive game

      it's not too long, usually less than one hour


could you try it for game 251 ?
( still a few hours before next game starts )

    my own results in the high ratings were pathetic
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Re: re: 251

Postby m_b_metcalf » Mon May 11, 2015 3:02 pm

Pat wrote:could you try it for game 251?


If I got this right, I produced 476 distinct symmetric puzzles in about 15 minutes. The only playable one was:
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 . . 1 . . . 2 . 3
 . 4 . . . . . 5 .
 6 . 7 . . . . . 8
 . . . 7 . 8 6 . .
 . . . . 4 . . 1 .
 . . . 2 . . . . 9
 8 . . 1 . . . . 6
 . 5 . . 6 . . 4 .
 9 . 2 . . 3 1 . .   ED=1.2/1.2/1.2

The highest ER was:
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 . . 1 . . . 2 . 3
 . 4 . . . . . 5 .
 5 . 6 . . . . . 7
 . . . 8 . 7 5 . .
 . . . . 4 . . 2 .
 . . . 3 . . . . 1
 9 . . 1 . . . . 2
 . 1 . . 9 . . 6 .
 7 . 3 . . 5 9 . .   ED=9.4/1.2/1.2

and the highest EP/ED 2.3.

Results need confirming, but not encouraging.

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re: 251

Postby Pat » Mon May 11, 2015 3:33 pm

so perhaps use the anti-diagonal?
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Re: re: 251

Postby m_b_metcalf » Mon May 11, 2015 4:41 pm

Pat wrote:so perhaps use the anti-diagonal?

Sorry, no time today. I also note that I've excluded a type of symmetry in which a digit that pairs with itself (like 5 in the 1.2/1.2/1.2 above) also appears on the diagonal. But no time now.

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Re: re: 251

Postby champagne » Mon May 11, 2015 5:25 pm

Pat wrote:so perhaps use the anti-diagonal?

I have just seen you post and I start the test.
but a symmetry of given can not be applied here to the anti-diagonal. The puzzle has not that symmetry.

Edit I got 15681 puzzles in about 5 minutes. more to come with the rating
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Mon May 11, 2015 5:34 pm

This is the list of what I call "pseudo diamonds" I extract, these are puzzles diamond for the first elimination group.
Several true diamonds in the list

next to come will be high ratings


..1...2.3.4.....5.6.3.....7...4.86......9..2....5....17..1....2.8..7..9.3.2..67..;85;85;85;9.4;9.4;9.2
..1...2.3.4.....5.6.3.....7...3.81......4..9....2....68..6....9.9..5..3.3.7..15..;85;85;85;9.1;9.0;8.9
..1...2.3.4.....5.6.3.....1...7.85......4..7....5....99..8....2.8..7..3.3.6..29..;85;85;85;9.1;9.1;9.0
..1...2.3.4.....5.6.2.....7...4.56......8..7....9....12..1....5.9..3..2.7.3..69..;85;85;85;9.1;9.1;9.0
..1...2.3.4.....5.6.2.....1...7.18......4..7....6....52..3....8.9..7..2.8.6..93..;85;85;85;9.1;9.1;9.0
..1...2.3.4.....5.3.6.....4...7.89......6..7....5....69..2....1.8..7..4.1.4..63..;85;85;85;9.1;9.1;8.8
..1...2.3.4.....5.3.5.....6...5.78......4..3....8....99..7....8.5..1..6.1.6..27..;85;85;85;9.1;9.1;8.8
..1...2.3.4.....5.2.6.....7...8.76......4..7....3....91..6....2.9..3..8.7.3..51..;85;85;85;9.0;9.0;8.8
..1...2.3.4.....5.2.6.....7...8.76......4..3....3....91..6....2.9..7..8.7.3..51..;85;85;85;9.2;9.2;8.8
..1...2.3.4.....1.5.3.....6...3.27......4..2....8....58..6....7.5..8..9.3.7..16..;85;85;85;9.4;9.4;9.0
..1...2.3.4.....1.5.2.....4...6.17......2..3....5....82..8....9.5..9..6.9.4..73..;85;85;85;9.4;9.4;8.8
..1...2.3.4.....1.3.5.....6...4.75......8..2....6....79..5....2.3..9..8.1.7..69..;85;85;85;9.3;9.3;9.2
..1...2.3.3.....4.5.6.....7...7.51......6..8....1....48..5....9.9..2..3.3.7..94..;85;85;85;9.2;9.2;9.1
..1...2.3.3.....4.5.6.....7...7.26......3..8....8....98..6....5.9..2..7.3.7..41..;85;85;85;9.1;9.1;8.8
..1...2.3.3.....4.5.6.....7...3.25......6..1....8....48..1....9.9..5..7.3.7..94..;85;85;85;9.2;9.2;9.0
..1...2.3.3.....4.5.2.....6...7.81......3..7....4....52..5....9.8..7..2.3.9..16..;85;85;85;9.2;9.2;9.2
..1...2.3.3.....1.4.5.....6...6.25......5..7....7....47..5....8.4..2..6.3.6..19..;85;85;85;9.0;9.0;8.9
..1...2.3.2.....4.5.4.....6...2.71......4..6....3....52..5....8.4..8..9.7.8..16..;85;85;85;9.2;9.2;9.1
..1...2.3.2.....4.4.5.....6...7.38......5..3....6....92..9....1.1..6..7.6.3..84..;85;85;85;9.4;9.4;9.2
..1...2.3.4.....5.6.3.....7...3.86......4..9....2....18..1....9.9..5..7.3.7..65..;80;80;80;8.5;8.5;8.2
..1...2.3.4.....5.2.6.....7...6.13......4..8....2....61..9....8.8..5..7.9.7..65..;80;80;80;8.5;8.5;8.3
..1...2.3.4.....5.2.5.....6...5.78......4..7....8....11..7....9.5..8..6.9.6..23..;80;80;80;8.4;8.4;8.4
..1...2.3.4.....5.5.2.....6...2.37......4..6....6....82..8....1.1..3..9.6.3..75..;70;70;70;7.1;7.1;7.1
..1...2.3.4.....5.2.5.....4...6.78......5..3....8....21..7....8.5..9..4.9.4..17..;70;70;70;7.3;7.2;7.1
..1...2.3.4.....1.2.5.....6...4.23......5..7....1....51..7....8.2..3..9.7.8..56..;70;70;70;7.2;7.2;7.1
..1...2.3.3.....4.5.4.....6...3.15......4..1....5....76..1....8.4..5..9.3.2..87..;70;70;70;7.2;7.2;7.1
..1...2.3.3.....4.5.4.....6...3.15......4..1....5....27..1....8.4..5..9.3.8..76..;70;70;70;7.2;7.2;7.1
..1...2.3.2.....4.3.5.....6...2.67......5..1....4....82..8....1.6..3..9.1.4..73..;70;70;70;7.3;7.1;7.1
..1...2.3.2.....4.3.4.....5...2.67......4..8....7....62..6....8.4..5..9.1.8..75..;70;70;70;7.2;7.1;7.1
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby champagne » Mon May 11, 2015 5:36 pm

and just giving to serate enough time to rate that group, all puzzles passing the dynamic chains

as you see, we reach 10.6, but we have nothing exciting.
that stuff is usually very goo as seed

..1...2.3.3.....4.5.6.....7...3.84......6..7....4....19..8....2.8..7..3.3.7..59..;10.4;1.2;1.2;10.6;1.2;1.2
..1...2.3.4.....5.6.7.....8...7.38......4..2....5....78..2....5.3..8..4.5.2..73..;10.2;1.2;1.2;10.2;1.2;1.2
..1...2.3.4.....5.6.3.....7...8.21......4..3....9....89..6....1.7..3..8.3.5..86..;9.8;1.2;1.2;9.9;1.2;1.2
..1...2.3.3.....4.5.6.....7...6.84......7..5....2....98..9....5.9..1..7.3.7..41..;9.7;1.2;1.2;9.9;1.2;1.2
..1...2.3.2.....4.3.4.....5...4.35......2..6....1....72..7....6.4..8..9.1.7..58..;9.7;1.2;1.2;10.0;1.2;1.2
..1...2.3.4.....5.3.6.....7...7.28......4..7....8....58..2....1.9..7..6.1.7..93..;9.6;1.2;1.2;9.8;1.2;1.2
..1...2.3.4.....5.6.2.....7...8.13......4..2....6....82..7....5.9..2..8.7.3..89..;9.5;1.2;1.2;9.8;1.2;1.2

the first 3 rating are done by skfr, the next 3 by serate
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Postby g.r.emlin » Tue May 12, 2015 4:00 am

::: game 0252 open LIGHTNING 2015-05-12+04:00:10-0000 dealer m_b_metcalf 23 clues diagonal (main) symmetry :::
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. 1 . . . . . . .
2 . . . 3 . . 4 .
. . 5 6 . . 7 . .
. . 2 . 8 . . 5 .
. 7 . 1 . . 3 . .
. . . . . 3 . . 8
. . 8 . 4 . . 7 .
. 3 . 9 . . 6 . .
. . . . . 1 . . 2  ED=1.5/1.2/1.2
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby coloin » Tue May 12, 2015 10:40 pm

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+---+---+---+
|.7.|...|...|
|1..|.2.|.7.|
|..4|1..|8..|
+---+---+---+
|..6|.4.|.1.|
|.8.|3..|7..|
|...|..5|..3|
+---+---+---+
|..3|.6.|.2.|
|.1.|5..|9..|
|...|..2|..4|
+---+---+---+  ED=7.2/7.2/7.2
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby m_b_metcalf » Wed May 13, 2015 5:37 am

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 . 1 . . . . . . .
 2 . . . 1 . . 3 .
 . . 4 5 . . 6 . .
 . . 3 . 7 . . 2 .
 . 6 . 4 . . 5 . .
 . . . . . 8 . . 9
 . . 5 . 6 . . 4 .
 . 3 . 1 . . 7 . .
 . . . . . 9 . . 8   ED=10.4/10.4/10.4
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby coloin » Thu May 14, 2015 6:40 pm

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+---+---+---+
|.4.|...|...|
|1..|.2.|.3.|
|..6|5..|8..|
+---+---+---+
|..8|.7.|.1.|
|.2.|6..|7..|
|...|..8|..4|
+---+---+---+
|..7|.5.|.2.|
|.6.|9..|5..|
|...|..3|..9|
+---+---+---+  ED=10.6/10.6/3.4
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby m_b_metcalf » Thu May 14, 2015 7:53 pm

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 . 1 . . . . . . .
 2 . . . 3 . . 4 .
 . . 5 6 . . 7 . .
 . . 3 . 5 . . 1 .
 . 7 . 2 . . 6 . .
 . . . . . 8 . . 9
 . . 6 . 7 . . 2 .
 . 4 . 1 . . 5 . .
 . . . . . 9 . . 8   ED=10.3/10.3/10.3
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby coloin » Fri May 15, 2015 9:22 pm

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+---+---+---+
|.8.|...|...|
|1..|.2.|.6.|
|..6|4..|2..|
+---+---+---+
|..8|.9.|.2.|
|.3.|6..|4..|
|...|..5|..7|
+---+---+---+
|..4|.3.|.8.|
|.9.|1..|5..|
|...|..7|..9|
+---+---+---+  ED=10.0/10.0/10.0
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Re: Patterns Game

Postby m_b_metcalf » Sat May 16, 2015 7:09 am

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 . 1 . . . . . . .
 2 . . . 3 . . 4 .
 . . 5 6 . . 7 . .
 . . 3 . 4 . . 5 .
 . 7 . 1 . . 6 . .
 . . . . . 8 . . 9
 . . 6 . 7 . . 1 .
 . 3 . 5 . . 9 . .
 . . . . . 2 . . 8   ED=9.8/9.8/9.8
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