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Postby gsf » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:58 am

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. 5 . . . . . . 4
9 . . . . . . 1 .
. . 6 . . 3 7 . .
. . . . 1 5 6 . .
. . . 3 . 6 . . .
. . 2 8 9 . . . .
. . 3 7 . . 2 . .
. 9 . . . . . . 1
4 . . . . . . 5 .  ED=9.6/9.6/9.6
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Postby tarek » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:12 am

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 . 4 . | . . . | . . 5 
 3 . . | . . . | . 6 . 
 . . 8 | . . 1 | 7 . . 
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . 5 4 | 1 . . 
 . . . | 9 . 3 | . . . 
 . . 7 | 1 6 . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 . . 2 | 8 . . | 9 . . 
 . 6 . | . . . | . . 4 
 5 . . | . . . | . 3 .  ED=8.5/8.5/8.5
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Postby ronk » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:35 am

:::comment:::

With this pattern, you've cranked out several puzzles with the SK loop.
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Postby JPF » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:55 am

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 . 1 . | . . . | . . 2
 3 . . | . . . | . 4 .
 . . 5 | . . 6 | 7 . .
-------+-------+-------
 . . . | . 8 9 | 6 . .
 . . . | 6 . 5 | . . .
 . . 9 | 7 2 . | . . .
-------+-------+-------
 . . 8 | 9 . . | 5 . .
 . 2 . | . . . | . . 1
 4 . . | . . . | . 3 .       ED=11.3/11.3/3.4


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Postby tarek » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:57 am

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 . 6 . | . . . | . . 3 
 1 . . | . . . | . 9 . 
 . . 4 | . . 5 | 2 . . 
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . 6 7 | 4 . . 
 . . . | 1 . 9 | . . . 
 . . 8 | 5 3 . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 . . 5 | 7 . . | 8 . . 
 . 9 . | . . . | . . 1 
 3 . . | . . . | . 6 .  ED=7.2/7.2/7.2
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Postby g.r.emlin » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:43 am

::: adjustment 2009-03-13+22:00:00-0000 tarek dup-rating -50 :::
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Postby JPF » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:28 am

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 . 1 . | . . . | . . 2
 3 . . | . . . | . 4 .
 . . 5 | . . 6 | 7 . .
-------+-------+-------
 . . . | . 8 7 | 9 . .
 . . . | 9 . 4 | . . .
 . . 8 | 5 6 . | . . .
-------+-------+-------
 . . 9 | 8 . . | 5 . .
 . 2 . | . . . | . . 1
 4 . . | . . . | . 3 .       ED=11.2/11.2/3.4


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Postby tarek » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:03 am

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 . 9 . | . . . | . . 3 
 6 . . | . . . | . 1 . 
 . . 8 | . . 7 | 2 . . 
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . 8 5 | 4 . . 
 . . . | 7 . 1 | . . . 
 . . 7 | 4 3 . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 . . 5 | 2 . . | 8 . . 
 . 3 . | . . . | . . 6 
 1 . . | . . . | . 9 .  ED=10.7/10.7/10.4
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Postby gsf » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:26 am

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. 7 . . . . . . 4
4 . . . . . . 9 .
. . 3 . . 1 5 . .
. . . . 5 8 3 . .
. . . 7 . 2 . . .
. . 2 9 6 . . . .
. . 1 5 . . 2 . .
. 6 . . . . . . 7
9 . . . . . . 4 .  ED=8.3/8.3/8.3
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Postby tarek » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:00 pm

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 . 6 . | . . . | . . 5 
 8 . . | . . . | . 3 . 
 . . 4 | . . 1 | 7 . . 
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . 3 9 | 4 . . 
 . . . | 5 . 7 | . . . 
 . . 9 | 1 2 . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 . . 7 | 2 . . | 9 . . 
 . 5 . | . . . | . . 8 
 3 . . | . . . | . 6 .  ED=10.5/10.5/10.3
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Postby g.r.emlin » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:01 pm

::: game 0073 status 2009-03-14+09:07:47-0000 :::
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game 0073 2009-03-12+22:03:00-0000 duration 1d10h dealer tarek pages 178-179 (open) 4 players
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    1.2/1.2/1.2 gsf            8.5/8.5/8.5 tarek        10.3/10.3/9.2 JPF         10.7/10.7/10.4 tarek
    1.7/1.2/1.2 tarek          9.0/9.0/9.0 m_b_metcalf  10.4/10.4/3.4 m_b_metcalf  10.8/10.8/3.4 JPF
    7.2/7.2/7.2 gsf            9.6/9.6/9.6 gsf         10.5/10.5/10.3 tarek       11.2/11.2/3.4 JPF
    8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf            9.7/9.7/9.7 tarek        10.6/10.6/3.4 m_b_metcalf  11.3/11.3/3.4 JPF
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    rare ratings : 10.8 11.2 11.3

    open ratings : 1.5 2.0 2.3 2.5 2.6 2.8 3.0 3.2 3.4 3.6 3.8 4.0 4.2 4.4-4.8 5.0-5.2 5.4 5.6-6.2 6.5-7.1 7.3-8.2 8.4 8.6-8.9 9.1-9.5 9.8-10.2

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
     m_b_metcalf        3    221     2h20m  diamond,pearl*2
             gsf        4    317     2h23m  diamond*3
           tarek        5    463     1h44m  diamond*2,pearl*2,last-entry,dup-rating,dealer
             JPF        4    939     1h03m  rare-pearl*3,pearl,highest-rating
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               4       16   1940            rare-pearl*3,diamond*6,pearl*5
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Postby JPF » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:45 pm

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 . 1 . | . . . | . . 2
 3 . . | . . . | . 4 .
 . . 5 | . . 6 | 7 . .
-------+-------+-------
 . . . | . 7 8 | 5 . .
 . . . | 2 . 9 | . . .
 . . 9 | 5 6 . | . . .
-------+-------+-------
 . . 7 | 8 . . | 6 . .
 . 2 . | . . . | . . 1
 4 . . | . . . | . 3 .       ED=11.4/11.4/3.4


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Postby gsf » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:57 pm

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. 6 . . . . . . 4
7 . . . . . . 9 .
. . 8 . . 2 5 . .
. . . . 2 5 1 . .
. . . 3 . 7 . . .
. . 2 8 6 . . . .
. . 3 1 . . 2 . .
. 9 . . . . . . 6
4 . . . . . . 7 .  ED=10.4/10.4/10.4
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Postby JPF » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:35 pm

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 . 1 . | . . . | . . 2
 3 . . | . . . | . 4 .
 . . 5 | . . 6 | 7 . .
-------+-------+-------
 . . . | . 6 8 | 5 . .
 . . . | 9 . 3 | . . .
 . . 8 | 7 2 . | . . .
-------+-------+-------
 . . 7 | 6 . . | 8 . .
 . 4 . | . . . | . . 3
 2 . . | . . . | . 1 .       ED=10.6/10.6/9.6


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Postby coloin » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:53 pm

:::comment:::
ronk wrote:With this pattern, you've cranked out several puzzles with the SK loop.


Yes, in fact almost all of the hard puzzles with this pattern will have a form of "SK Loop". I believe the 16 clue base [313,1x1,313] from which all these types of puzzles [ 313,161,313] were cloned have the initial SK loop eliminations. There are SK loop eliminations - and they arise only using the 16 clues - and that is why the 16 clue base has 200,000 - 800,000 grid solultions. [no clue insertions][random 16 clue has at least 4 million]

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