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[Pat]

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8...3...5..7....2..6....1......537..1..42.......1....8..37..8...1.....5.5....4..9   8.1/1.2/1.2



[m_b_metcalf]

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100020003004000010050000600000071800200680000000900005006800900040000020300007001   ED=4.5/4.2/3.4   
100020003004000050060000700000083900200710000000500006007900500040000020300008001   ED=5.6/4.2/3.4   
100020003004000050030000600000043700800560000000700009005600800080000070300001004   ED=6.5/3.0/3.0   
100020003004000050030000600000052400700130000000800002005900800060000070900006001   ED=7.0/7.0/3.4   


[GouinJP]

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100020003002000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000050700008001   6.6/1.2/1.2
100020003002000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000070700008001   7.1/1.2/1.2
100020003002000040040000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000090400005001   7.1/1.2/1.2
100020003002000040040000800000067900200830000000400006008900300030000090700005001   7.1/1.2/1.2
100020003002000040050000800000017500200830000000400006008900400030000090700005001   7.1/1.2/1.2
100020003002000040050000800000017900200830000000400006008900700030000090700005001   7.1/1.2/1.2
100020003002000040070000800000057900200830000000400006008900400020000090300005001   8.8/1.2/1.2
100020003002000050060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000090700006001   3.2/1.2/1.2
100020003002000070060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000050700006001   8.3/3.8/3.8
100020003002000090060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000070700006001   6.6/1.2/1.2
100020003003000010060000800000047900200830000000100006008900400030000070700005001   3.8/1.2/1.2
100020003003000010060000800000051900200830000000400006006900400030000090700005001   1.2/1.2/1.2
100020003003000010060000800000052900200810000000400007008900400030000090700005001   8.5/3.8/3.8
100020003003000010060000800000053900200810000000400005008900400030000090700005001   3.0/1.2/1.2
100020003003000010060000800000053900200860000000400005008900400030000090700005001   7.3/1.2/1.2
100020003003000010060000800000053900200890000000400007008900400030000090700005001   9.1/1.2/1.2
100020003003000010060000800000057300200830000000400006008900400030000090700006001   2.0/1.2/1.2
100020003003000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400010000090700002001   7.2/1.2/1.2
100020003003000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000050700008001   3.8/1.2/1.2
100020003003000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000070500003001   2.0/1.2/1.2
100020003003000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000070600003001   2.6/1.2/1.2
100020003003000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000070600005001   8.2/1.2/1.2

[champagne]

Hi gouinjp,

Having seen your problems with that first entry in the game, I checked your list.

1) all puzzles are valid
2) All ratings are false. Here after the list with at the end the rating given by my version of serate

3) the deviations between the expected rating and the published rating are erratic

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100020003002000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000050700008001 6.6/1.2/1.2;7.2;1.2;1.2
100020003002000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000070700008001 7.1/1.2/1.2;7.2;1.2;1.2
100020003002000040040000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000090400005001 7.1/1.2/1.2;1.5;1.2;1.2
100020003002000040040000800000067900200830000000400006008900300030000090700005001 7.1/1.2/1.2;2.6;1.2;1.2
100020003002000040050000800000017500200830000000400006008900400030000090700005001 7.1/1.2/1.2;8.5;1.2;1.2
100020003002000040050000800000017900200830000000400006008900700030000090700005001 7.1/1.2/1.2;8.3;3.8;3.6
100020003002000040070000800000057900200830000000400006008900400020000090300005001 8.8/1.2/1.2;7.2;6.6;3.6
100020003002000050060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000090700006001 3.2/1.2/1.2;7.3;1.2;1.2
100020003002000070060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000050700006001 8.3/3.8/3.8;2.0;1.2;1.2
100020003002000090060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000070700006001 6.6/1.2/1.2;1.5;1.2;1.2
100020003003000010060000800000047900200830000000100006008900400030000070700005001 3.8/1.2/1.2;9.0;1.2;1.2
100020003003000010060000800000051900200830000000400006006900400030000090700005001 1.2/1.2/1.2;6.7;1.2;1.2
100020003003000010060000800000052900200810000000400007008900400030000090700005001 8.5/3.8/3.8;7.2;1.2;1.2
100020003003000010060000800000053900200810000000400005008900400030000090700005001 3.0/1.2/1.2;6.6;1.2;1.2
100020003003000010060000800000053900200860000000400005008900400030000090700005001 7.3/1.2/1.2;7.2;1.2;1.2
100020003003000010060000800000053900200890000000400007008900400030000090700005001 9.1/1.2/1.2;7.8;1.2;1.2
100020003003000010060000800000057300200830000000400006008900400030000090700006001 2.0/1.2/1.2;7.8;1.2;1.2
100020003003000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400010000090700002001 7.2/1.2/1.2;7.2;1.2;1.2
100020003003000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000050700008001 3.8/1.2/1.2;4.5;1.2;1.2
100020003003000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000070500003001 2.0/1.2/1.2;6.7;1.2;1.2
100020003003000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000070600003001 2.6/1.2/1.2;6.6;1.2;1.2
100020003003000010060000800000057900200830000000400006008900400030000070600005001 8.2/1.2/1.2;9.0;9.0;3.4

[m_b_metcalf]

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Hi gouinjp,

Having seen your problems with that first entry in the game, I checked your list.

1) all puzzles are valid
2) All ratings are false. Here after the list with at the end the rating given by my version of serate
3) the deviations between the expected rating and the published rating are erratic

and 4), some puzzles are not minimal, e.g.:

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100020003002000040040000500000067800200530000000400006005800300030000080700009001

 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 3
 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 4 0
 0 4 0 0 0 0 5 0 0
 0 0 0 0 6 7 8 0 0
 2 0 0 5 3 0 0 0 0
 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 6
 0 0 5 8 0 0 3 0 0
 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 8 0
 7 0 0 0 0 9 0 0 1
No. of givens =  23

found 1 solution(s) in    0.00 seconds. Last was:
  1  5  8  9  2  4  7  6  3
  3  9  2  6  7  5  1  4  8
  6  4  7  1  8  3  5  9  2
  5  1  9  2  6  7  8  3  4
  2  6  4  5  3  8  9  1  7
  8  7  3  4  9  1  2  5  6
  4  2  5  8  1  6  3  7  9
  9  3  1  7  4  2  6  8  5
  7  8  6  3  5  9  4  2  1
  4 5  is redundant
  7 7  is redundant

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

[GouinJP]

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Hi gouinjp,

Having seen your problems with that first entry in the game, I checked your list.

1) all puzzles are valid
2) All ratings are false. Here after the list with at the end the rating given by my version of serate
3) the deviations between the expected rating and the published rating are erratic

and 4), some puzzles are not minimal, e.g.:

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100020003002000040040000500000067800200530000000400006005800300030000080700009001

 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 3
 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 4 0
 0 4 0 0 0 0 5 0 0
 0 0 0 0 6 7 8 0 0
 2 0 0 5 3 0 0 0 0
 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 6
 0 0 5 8 0 0 3 0 0
 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 8 0
 7 0 0 0 0 9 0 0 1
No. of givens =  23

found 1 solution(s) in    0.00 seconds. Last was:
  1  5  8  9  2  4  7  6  3
  3  9  2  6  7  5  1  4  8
  6  4  7  1  8  3  5  9  2
  5  1  9  2  6  7  8  3  4
  2  6  4  5  3  8  9  1  7
  8  7  3  4  9  1  2  5  6
  4  2  5  8  1  6  3  7  9
  9  3  1  7  4  2  6  8  5
  7  8  6  3  5  9  4  2  1
  4 5  is redundant
  7 7  is redundant

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

Thank you for help

I know the puzzle must be minimal and I don't see:
100020003002000040040000500000067800200530000000400006005800300030000080700009001
in my list. Is it a canonical form?

I used SudokuExplainer Executable Jar File 304 777 bytes version 1.2.1.3. Is it the good one?

Wan we submit all our puzzles? I found thousands.

JPS
.

[gsf]

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::: adjustment 2013-10-15+09:32:00-0000 GouinJP not-minimal -50 :::

This message is actually misleading: in fact, the puzzle has zero solutions.

thanks Mike
the referee logic had number_solutions != 1 => multiple-solutions, ignoring the number_solutions == 0 case
fixed now

[m_b_metcalf]

I know the puzzle must be minimal and I don't see:
100020003002000040040000500000067800200530000000400006005800300030000080700009001
in my list. Is it a canonical form?

I used SudokuExplainer Executable Jar File 304 777 bytes version 1.2.1.3. Is it the good one?

Wan we submit all our puzzles? I found thousands.

Yes, it's the fourth in the list.

I highly recommend that you read the Rules that appear in the very first post in this thread.

Puzzles with a rating of the form x/1.2/1.2 play a very small rôle in the Game, as you will see in the list of submitted puzzles at the end of the Results thread.

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

[Pat]

GouinJP,

re your 4th puzzle

1...2...3..2....4..4....8......679..2..83.......4....6..89..3...3.....9.7....5..1

(corrected rating: 2.6)

however, as m_b_metcalf pointed out,
r4c5 + r7c7 can be removed

the resulting puzzle (21 cells given)

1...2...3..2....4..4....8.......79..2..83.......4....6..89......3.....9.7....5..1

is rated 7.1/1.2/1.2
(matching the rating you posted for the 23-givens puzzle)

[GouinJP]

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100020006003000040050000700000051800900280000000300002007900500040000030600002001   ED=8.8/8.8/2.6
100020006003000040050000700000087200500390000000400008004800500070000030600001009   ED=8.6/8.6/2.6
100020006003000040050000700000087900200650000000400008004800500070000030600001009   ED=9.2/9.2/3.4
100020006003000040050000700000087900200650000000400008004900500070000030600001009   ED=9.4/9.4/3.4
100020006003000040050000700000087900200690000000300008004800500070000030600004009   ED=9.1/9.1/3.4
100020006003000040050000700000087900200690000000400008004900500070000030600001009   ED=9.4/9.4/3.4
100020006003000040050000700000087900800690000000400008004900500070000030600001009   ED=9.5/9.5/9.3
100020006003000040050000700000087900800690000000500008004900500070000030600001009   ED=9.3/9.3/9.2
100020006009000040050000700000087900200610000000400008004800500070000030600001009   ED=9.1/9.1/3.4
100020008003000040050000700000051800900270000000300006007100500040000030600002009   ED=9.2/9.2/8.4
100020008003000040050000700000051800900280000000300006007100500080000030600009002   ED=9.1/9.1/7.1
100020008003000040050000700000051800900280000000700006007100500040000030600002009   ED=9.4/9.4/8.4
100020008003000040050000700000054800900280000000300006007100500040000030600005002   ED=9.3/9.1/9.0
100020009002000040050000700000057800900240000000300006007100500040000030600002008   ED=7.2/3.6/3.6
100020009002000040050000700000059800900240000000300006007100500040000030600002008   ED=8.9/3.6/3.6
100020009003000010050000700000054200900280000000300006007100500040000030600009008   ED=9.0/7.3/3.4


[GouinJP]

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[m_b_metcalf]

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Dear GouinJP,
Please note that the current game is closed. A new one will start on Sunday evening (European time). Please note also that the point of the Game, like many card games, is to play a higher rating than that of the opponents.

[g.r.emlin]

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dealer status

candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin)

   1 Pat               5 champagne        11 tarek            87 g.r.emlin

past patterns

   1 claudiarabia      1 ravel             9 gsf              25 m_b_metcalf      47 tarek
   1 draco             1 wintder          12 champagne        30 Mauricio
   1 Eioru             3 g.r.emlin        19 TTHsieh          33 JPF
   1 pseudocoup        6 ronk             21 coloin           34 Pat


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1...3...6..5....8..6....1......537..5..42.......1....9..29..5...7.....2.9....8..1
   4.7/1.2/1.2



[Pat]

Lightning? Wow!

"pearls" and "diamonds" perhaps not very easy to find?

so the serious players did find many "pearls" and "diamonds",
even as high as 10.x
— yet 5.0 and 5.2 ended at /1.2/1.2