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by **JPF** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:43 am

Code: Select all: 1 . . | . . 2 | 3 . . . . . | . 4 . | . 5 . . . . | 6 . . | . . 7 -------+-------+------- . . . | . 3 . | . 1 . . . 8 | 7 . 5 | 9 . . . 6 . | . 8 . | . . . -------+-------+------- 2 . . | . . 1 | . . . . 5 . | . 9 . | . . . . . 7 | 8 . . | . . 4 ED=7.0/7.0/3.8

JPF

by **m_b_metcalf** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:47 am

Code: Select all: 1 . . . . 2 3 . . . . . . 4 . . 5 . . . . 6 . . . . 7 . . . . 8 . . 1 . . . 8 4 . 3 5 . . . 9 . . 7 . . . . 2 . . . . 1 . . . . 8 . . 2 . . . . . . 7 9 . . . . 6 ED=8.7/8.7/3.4

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **gsf** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:54 am

Code: Select all: 9 . . . . 1 7 . . . . . . 6 . . 4 . . . . 5 . . . . 1 . . . . 1 . . 9 . . . 3 4 . 7 8 . . . 5 . . 3 . . . . 8 . . . . 9 . . . . 7 . . 2 . . . . . . 4 6 . . . . 5 ED=7.4/7.4/3.4

by **m_b_metcalf** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:58 am

Code: Select all: 1 . . . . 2 3 . . . . . . 1 . . 4 . . . . 5 . . . . 6 . . . . 7 . . 2 . . . 8 3 . 6 9 . . . 5 . . 9 . . . . 2 . . . . 1 . . . . 1 . . 4 . . . . . . 3 8 . . . . 5 ED=7.7/7.7/2.6

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **g.r.emlin** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:01 am

::: adjustment 2009-01-22+16:17:00-0000 m_b_metcalf se-mismatch -100 :::

by **m_b_metcalf** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:32 am

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g.r.emlin wrote:::: adjustment 2009-01-22+16:17:00-0000 m_b_metcalf se-mismatch -100 :::

Sorry for this slip. But I still don't understand what's wrong with 8.6. Can gsf or g.r.emlin advise?

Thanks,

Mike Metcalf

by **gsf** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:05 am

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m_b_metcalf wrote:
g.r.emlin wrote:::: adjustment 2009-01-22+16:17:00-0000 m_b_metcalf se-mismatch -100 :::

Sorry for this slip. But I still don't understand what's wrong with 8.6. Can gsf or g.r.emlin advise?

here are the relevant referee log entries
(coding nugget: anyone coding long running apps should log major actions and retain the logs for future ref)
the second grid field is the canonical grid and I used the canonical grid from the adjustment message as the lookup key

Code: Select all: entries:8.8/8.8/6.7 30 100002300000040050000600007000080020004503800070090000200008000030010000006700004 100006700050080036009200400000900500000070020800001000040000001700000600002500000 m_b_metcalf 2009-01-22+14:46:00-0000 3m00s 107 728 X pearl penalties:8.6/8.6/6.7 0 100002300000040050000600007000080020006509100070060000200003000090010000005700004 100006700050080036009200400000900500000070020800001000040000001700000600002500000 m_b_metcalf 2009-01-22+15:13:00-0000 3m00s -50 678 P dup-puzzle penalties:8.6/8.6/6.7 0 100002300000040050000600007000080020006509100070060000200003000090010000005700004 100006700050080036009200400000900500000070020800001000040000001700000600002500000 JPF 2009-01-22+15:39:00-0000 6m00s -50 296 P dup-puzzle

this shows that m.b. stumbled on two equivalent puzzles, one orientation yields se rating 8.8/8.8/6.7 and the other 8.6/8.6/6.7
the rules count this as a penalty

but maybe it should be a bonus because I don't think there are many puzzles+permutations that produce an se difference like this

by **m_b_metcalf** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:19 am

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Thanks for the clarification.

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **JPF** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:00 am

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I didn't realize that my puzzle was isomorphic to Mike's one.

JPF

by **m_b_metcalf** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:15 am

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JPF wrote:::: comment :::
I didn't realize that my puzzle was isomorphic to Mike's one.

JPF

Isomorphic? Dear Jean-Pierre, it was identical :!:

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **JPF** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:54 am

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Damned !
Believe it or not, I didn't see it.

This puzzle was on the top of my list when I saw that, for some reason, you had made a mistake in your posting of a 8.6/8.6/6.7

I agree with gsf, such a puzzle should win a special bonus (+ 100 ?)

JPF

by **JPF** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:51 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . | . . 2 | 3 . . . . . | . 3 . | . 4 . . . . | 5 . . | . . 2 -------+-------+------- . . . | . 6 . | . 1 . . . 7 | 4 . 3 | 6 . . . 8 . | . 2 . | . . . -------+-------+------- 9 . . | . . 1 | . . . . 4 . | . 5 . | . . . . . 2 | 7 . . | . . 8 ED=8.0/8.0/2.6

JPF

by **m_b_metcalf** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:18 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . . . 2 3 . . . . . . 3 . . 4 . . . . 5 . . . . 6 . . . . 7 . . 2 . . . 7 4 . 8 9 . . . 5 . . 6 . . . . 2 . . . . 9 . . . . 3 . . 1 . . . . . . 4 7 . . . . 5 ED=7.8/7.8/2.6

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

P.S. In trying, unsucessfully, to find 7.7/7/7/2.6 again, I found 8.0/8.0/2.6 instead, too late

by **JPF** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:35 pm

Code: Select all: 1 . . | . . 2 | 3 . . . . . | . 4 . | . 5 . . . . | 6 . . | . . 2 -------+-------+------- . . . | . 3 . | . 4 . . . 7 | 5 . 4 | 8 . . . 9 . | . 7 . | . . . -------+-------+------- 3 . . | . . 1 | . . . . 8 . | . 2 . | . . . . . 5 | 7 . . | . . 6 ED=9.5/9.5/3.4

JPF

by **g.r.emlin** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:38 pm

::: game 0066 status LIGHTNING 2009-01-23+13:01:29-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0066 2009-01-21+03:09:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 2d09h dealer m_b_metcalf pages 135-138 (open) 4 players ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf 3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf 8.0/8.0/2.6 JPF 9.0/9.0/7.1 gsf 1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf 6.6/6.6/3.4 m_b_metcalf 8.2/8.2/7.2 m_b_metcalf 9.1/9.1/7.2 m_b_metcalf 2.0/2.0/2.0 m_b_metcalf 7.0/7.0/3.8 JPF 8.3/8.3/7.2 Mauricio 9.2/9.2/7.1 JPF 2.3/2.3/2.3 gsf 7.1/7.1/3.8 m_b_metcalf 8.4/8.4/8.3 m_b_metcalf 9.3/9.3/3.4 JPF 2.5/2.5/2.5 m_b_metcalf 7.2/7.2/6.7 m_b_metcalf 8.5/8.5/8.3 Mauricio 9.4/9.4/2.6 gsf 2.6/2.6/2.6 gsf 7.3/7.3/6.7 m_b_metcalf 8.6/8.6/3.8 gsf 9.5/9.5/3.4 JPF 2.8/2.8/2.8 m_b_metcalf 7.4/7.4/3.4 gsf 8.7/8.7/3.4 m_b_metcalf 9.9/9.9/2.6 JPF 3.0/3.0/3.0 m_b_metcalf 7.5/7.5/6.7 m_b_metcalf 8.8/8.8/6.7 m_b_metcalf 3.4/3.4/3.4 gsf 7.8/7.8/2.6 m_b_metcalf 8.9/8.9/7.1 JPF ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 1.7 3.2 3.8 4.0 4.2 4.4-4.8 5.0-5.2 5.4 5.6-6.2 6.5 6.7-6.9 7.6 7.7 7.9 8.1 9.6-9.8 10.0-10.7 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- Mauricio 2 210 19m29s pearl*2 gsf 9 385 1h24m diamond*3,pearl*4 JPF 7 583 3h51m pearl*7,highest-rating,last-entry,dup-puzzle m_b_metcalf 16 866 40m32s diamond*3,pearl*11,dup-puzzle,se-mismatch,dealer ----------- ------- ----- ----- 4 34 2044 diamond*6,pearl*24

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