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by **dobrichev** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:26 am

Code: Select all: 1..23.... ..4..5... .6....1.. 7....4.8. 9...1...5 .8.5...6. ..2...4.. ...8.6... ....9...3 ED=5.1/1.2/1.2

by **g.r.emlin** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:29 am

::: adjustment 2012-01-20+11:26:00-0000 dobrichev se-mismatch -100 :::

by **dobrichev** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:47 am

seems dangerous to submit skfr-rated puzzles even in the low rates area. i am posting from machine with no java and serate installed.

by **g.r.emlin** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:29 pm

::: game 0163 idle 2012-01-20+12:29:43-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2012-01-20+15:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0163 2012-01-12+21:00:00-0000 duration 6d17h dealer JPF pages 1201-1213 (open) 7 players _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 gsf 4.5/4.5/3.0 Patrice 6.9/6.9/2.6 Patrice 8.5/8.5/8.5 joel64 1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf 4.6/4.6/2.6 joel64 7.0/7.0/2.6 joel64 8.6/8.6/8.5 Patrice 1.7/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf 4.7/4.7/2.6 Patrice 7.1/7.1/7.1 joel64 8.7/8.7/8.2 Patrice 2.0/2.0/2.0 joel64 4.8/4.8/2.6 Patrice 7.2/7.2/7.2 joel64 8.8/8.8/8.8 joel64 2.3/2.0/2.0 gsf 5.0/5.0/2.6 joel64 7.3/7.3/7.3 Patrice 8.9/8.9/8.9 joel64 2.5/2.5/2.5 joel64 5.2/4.4/2.6 Patrice 7.4/7.4/7.2 Patrice 9.0/9.0/9.0 Patrice 2.6/2.6/2.6 gsf 5.6/4.5/2.6 Patrice 7.5/7.5/6.6 joel64 9.1/9.1/9.0 Patrice 2.8/2.8/2.8 joel64 5.7/4.4/2.6 Patrice 7.6/7.6/3.4 joel64 9.2/9.2/9.1 joel64 3.0/3.0/3.0 joel64 5.8/3.4/2.6 joel64 7.7/7.7/3.4 Patrice 9.3/9.3/9.0 m_b_metcalf 3.2/3.0/3.0 joel64 5.9/3.0/2.6 joel64 7.8/7.8/3.4 Patrice 9.4/9.4/9.3 joel64 3.4/3.4/3.4 joel64 6.0/1.2/1.2 gsf 7.9/7.9/2.6 Patrice 9.5/9.5/3.4 Patrice 3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf 6.2/6.2/2.6 Patrice 8.0/8.0/2.6 Patrice 9.6/9.6/2.6 Patrice 3.8/3.6/2.6 joel64 6.5/4.0/2.6 joel64 8.1/7.3/2.6 Patrice 9.7/9.7/3.4 joel64 4.0/4.0/4.0 Patrice 6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64 8.2/8.2/7.2 joel64 9.8/9.8/2.6 Patrice 4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf 6.7/6.7/3.4 Patrice 8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf 9.9/9.9/2.6 Patrice 4.4/4.4/4.4 dobrichev 6.8/6.8/3.0 Patrice 8.4/8.4/8.4 joel64 10.4/1.2/1.2 Patrice _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 4.9 5.1 5.4 6.1 10.0-10.3 10.5-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- JPF 0 0 0 dealer ronk 0 0 22h11m dobrichev 1 37 22m48s rare-0,diamond,se-mismatch m_b_metcalf 3 296 27m26s rare-1*2,rare-2*2,diamond,pearl gsf 7 674 1h16m rare-0*4,rare-1*4,rare-2*4,diamond*3 joel64 26 3144 1h18m rare-0,rare-1*4,rare-2,diamond*11,pearl*9,premature-entry*2 Patrice 27 5371 1h09m rare-0,rare-1,rare-2*2,diamond*3,pearl*19,highest-rating=735,last-entry=418 ----------- ------- ----- ----- 7 64 9522 rare-0*7,rare-1*11,rare-2*9,diamond*19,pearl*29

by **ronk** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:25 pm

::: comment :::

dobrichev wrote:seems dangerous to submit skfr-rated puzzles even in the low rates area. i am posting from machine with no java and serate installed.

your puzzle's serate is 5.0/1.2/1.2
likely a consequence of uniqueness loops ("UL") with hidden pairs being elevated to the same rating as a UL with a naked pair

by **champagne** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:34 pm

dobrichev wrote:seems dangerous to submit skfr-rated puzzles even in the low rates area. i am posting from machine with no java and serate installed.

In that specific case, both serate and skfr work on the same UL.

But serate under rate a hidden pair. That specific rule "K rule" has been long discussed months ago and finally not reproduced in skfr (no logic in it).

So skfr rates it 5.1 and serate 5.0

In that field (UR UL BUGS), we have other sources of deviation, mainly patterns not seen by serate and effect of the order in which UR are taken.

champagne

by **gsf** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:00 pm

Code: Select all: 2 . . 4 3 . . . . . . 6 . . 1 . . . . 5 . . . . 9 . . 8 . . . . 7 . 1 . 5 . . . 2 . . . 3 . 3 . 9 . . . 2 . . . 7 . . . 2 . . . . . 1 . 4 . . . . . . . 5 . . . 9 ED=4.9/1.2/1.2

by **g.r.emlin** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:04 pm

::: game 0163 resume :::

Code: Select all: game 0163 2012-01-12+21:00:00-0000 duration 1w00d dealer JPF pages 1201-1213 (open) 7 players _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 gsf 4.6/4.6/2.6 joel64 7.0/7.0/2.6 joel64 8.7/8.7/8.2 Patrice 1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf 4.7/4.7/2.6 Patrice 7.1/7.1/7.1 joel64 8.8/8.8/8.8 joel64 1.7/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf 4.8/4.8/2.6 Patrice 7.2/7.2/7.2 joel64 8.9/8.9/8.9 joel64 2.0/2.0/2.0 joel64 4.9/1.2/1.2 gsf 7.3/7.3/7.3 Patrice 9.0/9.0/9.0 Patrice 2.3/2.0/2.0 gsf 5.0/5.0/2.6 joel64 7.4/7.4/7.2 Patrice 9.1/9.1/9.0 Patrice 2.5/2.5/2.5 joel64 5.2/4.4/2.6 Patrice 7.5/7.5/6.6 joel64 9.2/9.2/9.1 joel64 2.6/2.6/2.6 gsf 5.6/4.5/2.6 Patrice 7.6/7.6/3.4 joel64 9.3/9.3/9.0 m_b_metcalf 2.8/2.8/2.8 joel64 5.7/4.4/2.6 Patrice 7.7/7.7/3.4 Patrice 9.4/9.4/9.3 joel64 3.0/3.0/3.0 joel64 5.8/3.4/2.6 joel64 7.8/7.8/3.4 Patrice 9.5/9.5/3.4 Patrice 3.2/3.0/3.0 joel64 5.9/3.0/2.6 joel64 7.9/7.9/2.6 Patrice 9.6/9.6/2.6 Patrice 3.4/3.4/3.4 joel64 6.0/1.2/1.2 gsf 8.0/8.0/2.6 Patrice 9.7/9.7/3.4 joel64 3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf 6.2/6.2/2.6 Patrice 8.1/7.3/2.6 Patrice 9.8/9.8/2.6 Patrice 3.8/3.6/2.6 joel64 6.5/4.0/2.6 joel64 8.2/8.2/7.2 joel64 9.9/9.9/2.6 Patrice 4.0/4.0/4.0 Patrice 6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64 8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf 10.4/1.2/1.2 Patrice 4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf 6.7/6.7/3.4 Patrice 8.4/8.4/8.4 joel64 4.4/4.4/4.4 dobrichev 6.8/6.8/3.0 Patrice 8.5/8.5/8.5 joel64 4.5/4.5/3.0 Patrice 6.9/6.9/2.6 Patrice 8.6/8.6/8.5 Patrice _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 5.1 5.4 6.1 10.0-10.3 10.5-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- JPF 0 0 0 dealer ronk 0 0 22h11m dobrichev 1 37 22m48s rare-0,diamond,se-mismatch m_b_metcalf 3 296 27m26s rare-1*2,rare-2*2,diamond,pearl gsf 8 1377 2h17m rare-0*4,rare-1*4,rare-2*4,diamond*3,last-entry=425 joel64 26 3144 1h18m rare-0,rare-1*4,rare-2,diamond*11,pearl*9,premature-entry*2 Patrice 27 4815 1h09m rare-0,rare-1,rare-2*2,diamond*3,pearl*19,highest-rating=735 ----------- ------- ----- ----- 7 65 9669 rare-0*7,rare-1*11,rare-2*9,diamond*19,pearl*29

by **g.r.emlin** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:16 pm

::: game 0163 idle 2012-01-21+16:16:39-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2012-01-21+19:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0163 2012-01-12+21:00:00-0000 duration 1w00d dealer JPF pages 1201-1213 (open) 7 players _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 gsf 4.6/4.6/2.6 joel64 7.0/7.0/2.6 joel64 8.7/8.7/8.2 Patrice 1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf 4.7/4.7/2.6 Patrice 7.1/7.1/7.1 joel64 8.8/8.8/8.8 joel64 1.7/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf 4.8/4.8/2.6 Patrice 7.2/7.2/7.2 joel64 8.9/8.9/8.9 joel64 2.0/2.0/2.0 joel64 4.9/1.2/1.2 gsf 7.3/7.3/7.3 Patrice 9.0/9.0/9.0 Patrice 2.3/2.0/2.0 gsf 5.0/5.0/2.6 joel64 7.4/7.4/7.2 Patrice 9.1/9.1/9.0 Patrice 2.5/2.5/2.5 joel64 5.2/4.4/2.6 Patrice 7.5/7.5/6.6 joel64 9.2/9.2/9.1 joel64 2.6/2.6/2.6 gsf 5.6/4.5/2.6 Patrice 7.6/7.6/3.4 joel64 9.3/9.3/9.0 m_b_metcalf 2.8/2.8/2.8 joel64 5.7/4.4/2.6 Patrice 7.7/7.7/3.4 Patrice 9.4/9.4/9.3 joel64 3.0/3.0/3.0 joel64 5.8/3.4/2.6 joel64 7.8/7.8/3.4 Patrice 9.5/9.5/3.4 Patrice 3.2/3.0/3.0 joel64 5.9/3.0/2.6 joel64 7.9/7.9/2.6 Patrice 9.6/9.6/2.6 Patrice 3.4/3.4/3.4 joel64 6.0/1.2/1.2 gsf 8.0/8.0/2.6 Patrice 9.7/9.7/3.4 joel64 3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf 6.2/6.2/2.6 Patrice 8.1/7.3/2.6 Patrice 9.8/9.8/2.6 Patrice 3.8/3.6/2.6 joel64 6.5/4.0/2.6 joel64 8.2/8.2/7.2 joel64 9.9/9.9/2.6 Patrice 4.0/4.0/4.0 Patrice 6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64 8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf 10.4/1.2/1.2 Patrice 4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf 6.7/6.7/3.4 Patrice 8.4/8.4/8.4 joel64 4.4/4.4/4.4 dobrichev 6.8/6.8/3.0 Patrice 8.5/8.5/8.5 joel64 4.5/4.5/3.0 Patrice 6.9/6.9/2.6 Patrice 8.6/8.6/8.5 Patrice _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 5.1 5.4 6.1 10.0-10.3 10.5-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- JPF 0 0 0 dealer ronk 0 0 22h11m dobrichev 1 37 22m48s rare-0,diamond,se-mismatch m_b_metcalf 3 296 27m26s rare-1*2,rare-2*2,diamond,pearl gsf 8 1377 2h17m rare-0*4,rare-1*4,rare-2*4,diamond*3,last-entry=425 joel64 26 3144 1h18m rare-0,rare-1*4,rare-2,diamond*11,pearl*9,premature-entry*2 Patrice 27 4815 1h09m rare-0,rare-1,rare-2*2,diamond*3,pearl*19,highest-rating=735 ----------- ------- ----- ----- 7 65 9669 rare-0*7,rare-1*11,rare-2*9,diamond*19,pearl*29

by **g.r.emlin** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:01 pm

::: game 0163 closed (idle for 1d04h) -- preliminary results :::

Code: Select all: game 0163 2012-01-12+21:00:00-0000 duration 1w00d dealer JPF pages 1201-1213 (final) 7 players _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 gsf 4.6/4.6/2.6 joel64 7.0/7.0/2.6 joel64 8.7/8.7/8.2 Patrice 1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf 4.7/4.7/2.6 Patrice 7.1/7.1/7.1 joel64 8.8/8.8/8.8 joel64 1.7/1.5/1.5 m_b_metcalf 4.8/4.8/2.6 Patrice 7.2/7.2/7.2 joel64 8.9/8.9/8.9 joel64 2.0/2.0/2.0 joel64 4.9/1.2/1.2 gsf 7.3/7.3/7.3 Patrice 9.0/9.0/9.0 Patrice 2.3/2.0/2.0 gsf 5.0/5.0/2.6 joel64 7.4/7.4/7.2 Patrice 9.1/9.1/9.0 Patrice 2.5/2.5/2.5 joel64 5.2/4.4/2.6 Patrice 7.5/7.5/6.6 joel64 9.2/9.2/9.1 joel64 2.6/2.6/2.6 gsf 5.6/4.5/2.6 Patrice 7.6/7.6/3.4 joel64 9.3/9.3/9.0 m_b_metcalf 2.8/2.8/2.8 joel64 5.7/4.4/2.6 Patrice 7.7/7.7/3.4 Patrice 9.4/9.4/9.3 joel64 3.0/3.0/3.0 joel64 5.8/3.4/2.6 joel64 7.8/7.8/3.4 Patrice 9.5/9.5/3.4 Patrice 3.2/3.0/3.0 joel64 5.9/3.0/2.6 joel64 7.9/7.9/2.6 Patrice 9.6/9.6/2.6 Patrice 3.4/3.4/3.4 joel64 6.0/1.2/1.2 gsf 8.0/8.0/2.6 Patrice 9.7/9.7/3.4 joel64 3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf 6.2/6.2/2.6 Patrice 8.1/7.3/2.6 Patrice 9.8/9.8/2.6 Patrice 3.8/3.6/2.6 joel64 6.5/4.0/2.6 joel64 8.2/8.2/7.2 joel64 9.9/9.9/2.6 Patrice 4.0/4.0/4.0 Patrice 6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64 8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf 10.4/1.2/1.2 Patrice 4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf 6.7/6.7/3.4 Patrice 8.4/8.4/8.4 joel64 4.4/4.4/4.4 dobrichev 6.8/6.8/3.0 Patrice 8.5/8.5/8.5 joel64 4.5/4.5/3.0 Patrice 6.9/6.9/2.6 Patrice 8.6/8.6/8.5 Patrice _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 5.1 5.4 6.1 10.0-10.3 10.5-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- JPF 0 0 0 dealer ronk 0 0 22h11m dobrichev 1 37 22m48s rare-0,diamond,se-mismatch m_b_metcalf 3 296 27m26s rare-1*2,rare-2*2,diamond,pearl gsf 8 1377 2h17m rare-0*4,rare-1*4,rare-2*4,diamond*3,last-entry=425 joel64 26 3144 1h18m rare-0,rare-1*4,rare-2,diamond*11,pearl*9,premature-entry*2 Patrice 27 4815 1h09m rare-0,rare-1,rare-2*2,diamond*3,pearl*19,highest-rating=735 ----------- ------- ----- ----- 7 65 9669 rare-0*7,rare-1*11,rare-2*9,diamond*19,pearl*29

by **joel64** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:13 pm

::: more :::

Code: Select all: 100230000004005000060000700800007040300090005040800060005000300000901000000080002 ED=3.8/3.8/2.6

by **Patrice** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:50 pm

:::more:::

Code: Select all: 7..53......1..4....4....6..5....8.4.2...5...7.8.1...9...6...3.....9.1.......6...2 ED=10.0/1.2/1.2 3..41......8..5....6....9..7....4.1.4...3...2.5.7...4...2...8.....1.3.......2...6 ED=9.6/9.6/9.1 9..25......7..3....6....1..2....8.3.3...9...4.8.3...9...4...7.....8.9.......1...6 ED=9.5/9.5/9.2 2..79......4..6....8....9..7....1.3.5...7...6.3.5...2...1...4.....2.9.......5...8 ED=9.1/9.1/9.1 6..35......1..8....2....9..4....5.8.7...2...3.9.6...5...8...4.....7.4.......1...6 ED=8.0/8.0/3.0 8..49......3..1....1....2..1....4.7.2...5...8.7.6...5...6...1.....2.6.......8...5 ED=6.5/4.4/2.6 3..74......6..5....2....9..7....9.3.4...2...1.1.8...6...5...7.....6.8.......7...4 ED=5.7/4.6/2.6 1..23......4..5....6....7..3....2.7.2...1...8.4.7...6...9...1.....6.4.......8...3 ED=3.8/3.8/2.6 2..51......8..3....4....7..7....9.6.4...5...2.6.2...1...7...4.....9.2.......3...8 ED=3.2/3.2/2.6

by **Patrice** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:53 pm

::: comment :::

Sorry but I was without Internet access ... I wasn't able to continue the game !

Best regards
Patrice

by **g.r.emlin** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:01 am

::: game 0164 start LIGHTNING at 2012-01-25+04:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: dealer status candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin) 1 Pat 2 JPF 28 tarek 87 g.r.emlin past patterns 1 claudiarabia 1 ravel 6 ronk 19 Pat 31 JPF 1 draco 1 wintder 9 gsf 19 TTHsieh 1 Eioru 3 g.r.emlin 19 coloin 27 Mauricio 1 pseudocoup 6 champagne 19 m_b_metcalf 30 tarek

by **g.r.emlin** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:00 am

::: game 0164 open LIGHTNING 2012-01-25+04:00:10-0000 dealer Pat 23 clues antidiagonal symmetry :::

Code: Select all: . 9 4 . . . . . 2 6 . 8 . . . . . . 5 7 . 3 . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . . . . . . 4 . 5 . . . . . . 9 3 . 1 . . . . . . . 7 . 5 9 . . . . . . 4 . 3 1 . . . . . 8 2 . ED=2.3/1.2/1.2

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