The New Sudoku Players' Forum

by **Pat** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:17 am

ronk wrote:
gsf wrote:more entries count in seen before

Can't locate the discussion but, we agreed ::: more ::: entries would not count.

right, starting with game 132

( "more" for earlier games do count )

on page 817, gsf (2011.Feb.3) wrote:
ronk wrote:Are the "more" puzzles excluded from the rarity database?
If not, they probably should be.

they have not been excluded
but starting with the next game they will be

by **gsf** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:58 am

Pat wrote:right, starting with game 132

Pat to the rescue again
I'll update the rules
thanks

by **joel64** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:05 am

Code: Select all: . . . 1 . . 2 . 3 . . . 4 . 2 . . . . . . . 3 5 . . 6 7 1 . . . . 5 8 . . . 9 . . . 3 . . . 8 2 . . . . 6 9 8 . . 9 1 . . . . . 7 . 5 . 4 . . . 6 . 4 . . 8 . . . ED=3.8/3.6/2.6

by **ronk** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:30 pm

Code: Select all: . . . 4 . . 9 . 1 . . . 3 . 7 . . . . . . . 1 6 . . 2 9 8 . . . . 2 4 . . . 2 . . . 5 . . . 3 5 . . . . 8 7 6 . . 7 4 . . . . . 5 . 6 . 8 . . . 7 . 8 . . 9 . . . ED=4.9/3.0/2.6

by **g.r.emlin** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:37 pm

::: rarity :::

Code: Select all: 2011-08-21+12:30:00-0000 4.9/3.0/2.6 ronk rare ED seen once before

by **joel64** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:14 am

Code: Select all: . . . 1 . . 2 . 3 . . . 4 . 2 . . . . . . . 3 5 . . 1 4 1 . . . . 5 6 . . . 7 . . . 8 . . . 5 8 . . . . 1 7 2 . . 6 7 . . . . . 4 . 9 . 3 . . . 3 . 6 . . 4 . . . ED=5.7/4.5/2.8

by **ronk** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:30 am

Code: Select all: . . . 7 . . 9 . 3 . . . 9 . 3 . . . . . . . 1 5 . . 2 4 8 . . . . 2 9 . . . 1 . . . 8 . . . 5 2 . . . . 4 7 5 . . 3 7 . . . . . 4 . 5 . 6 . . . 7 . 8 . . 9 . . . ED=3.8/3.6/3.6

by **g.r.emlin** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:39 am

::: rarity :::

Code: Select all: 2011-08-22+11:30:00-0000 3.8/3.6/3.6 ronk rare ED seen 2 times before

by **ronk** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:19 pm

Pat wrote:
gsf wrote:on page 817, gsf (2011.Feb.3)"]
ronk wrote:Are the "more" puzzles excluded from the rarity database?
If not, they probably should be.
they have not been excluded
but starting with the next game they will be
ronk wrote:
gsf wrote:more entries count in seen before
Can't locate the discussion but, we agreed ::: more ::: entries would not count.[/quote ]

right, starting with game 132

( "more" for earlier games do count )

Even in a month of Sundays, that interpretation would not have occurred to me. Why should a newcomer have to deal with this detail?

IOW I thought the change would be ... "more" entries for all games would be excluded from the "rarities database" starting with game 0132. I still think that's the most appropriate interpretation.

by **gsf** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:03 pm

::: comment :::

ronk wrote:
Pat wrote:right, starting with game 132

( "more" for earlier games do count )

Even in a month of Sundays, that interpretation would not have occurred to me. Why should a newcomer have to deal with this detail?

IOW I thought the change would be ... "more" entries for all games would be excluded from the "rarities database" starting with game 0132. I still think that's the most appropriate interpretation.

aha

from the referee's viewpoint the change at game 0132 was to turn off the game closed code that
looked at more entries when updating the rarity db to account for the just-closed game

its a separate operation to re-sync the rarity db to exclude more entries from all games

that can be done, and it would have the side effect ronk noted of simplifying the rules
but
if someone were to scrutinize the games before 0150 there would be anomalies

so there should be a history section in the rules, not required for current play,
that describes the evolution of the game so previous games can stand up to the scrutiny

I'll start a draft of that later this week
and will solicit help from the players game historians to get it right

e.g., game timeline for rarity and more entries:
0005 more entries introduced
0092 rarity count introduced (includes game and more entries)
0132 more entries from this point on excluded from rarity count
0150 more entries from all games excluded from rarity count

by **g.r.emlin** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:31 am

::: game 0149 idle 2011-08-23+09:31:41-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2011-08-23+12:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0149 2011-08-11+05:00:00-0000 duration 1w04d dealer tarek pages 1030-1042 (open) 5 players ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 Pat 4.5/4.5/3.6 gsf 6.7/6.7/3.4 ronk 8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf 1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf 4.6/4.6/3.6 joel64 6.8/6.8/3.6 ronk 8.4/8.4/8.4 ronk 1.7/1.5/1.5 gsf 4.7/4.7/3.4 ronk 6.9/6.6/2.6 gsf 8.5/8.5/8.5 joel64 2.0/2.0/2.0 Pat 4.8/4.8/3.4 gsf 7.0/7.0/7.0 ronk 8.6/8.6/8.6 ronk 2.3/2.3/2.3 Pat 4.9/3.0/2.6 ronk 7.1/7.1/7.1 gsf 8.7/8.7/8.7 ronk 2.5/2.5/2.5 gsf 5.0/5.0/3.4 ronk 7.2/7.2/7.2 gsf 8.8/8.8/8.8 ronk 2.6/2.6/2.6 ronk 5.2/3.6/2.6 joel64 7.3/7.3/7.3 ronk 8.9/8.9/8.9 ronk 2.8/2.8/2.8 gsf 5.4/5.4/5.4 ronk 7.4/7.4/7.4 joel64 9.0/9.0/9.0 ronk 3.0/3.0/3.0 gsf 5.6/5.0/3.0 joel64 7.5/7.5/7.5 gsf 9.1/9.1/9.1 ronk 3.2/3.2/2.6 joel64 5.7/4.5/2.8 joel64 7.6/7.6/7.5 joel64 9.2/9.2/9.2 joel64 3.4/3.4/3.4 gsf 5.8/4.2/2.6 joel64 7.7/7.7/7.2 ronk 9.3/9.3/9.3 ronk 3.6/3.6/3.6 ronk 5.9/3.4/2.6 joel64 7.8/7.8/7.2 ronk 9.4/9.4/8.9 ronk 3.8/3.6/3.6 ronk 6.0/3.4/2.6 joel64 7.9/7.9/7.1 ronk 9.9/9.9/2.6 joel64 4.0/4.0/4.0 ronk 6.2/6.2/6.2 ronk 8.0/8.0/7.1 ronk 4.2/4.2/4.2 gsf 6.5/6.5/3.0 ronk 8.1/7.2/2.6 joel64 4.4/4.4/4.4 ronk 6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64 8.2/8.2/8.2 gsf ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 5.1 6.1 9.5-9.8 10.0-11.4 submitter entries score response notes --------- ------- ----- -------- ----- tarek 0 0 0 dealer Pat 3 29 40m17s dup-puzzle-tie*2 gsf 15 1578 2h33m rare-0*8,rare-1*4,rare-2*5,diamond*10,pearl*2,dup-rating-tie joel64 15 3176 3h38m rare-0*6,rare-1*5,rare-2*4,diamond*4,pearl*4,highest-rating=531 ronk 28 4263 1h36m rare-0*2,rare-1*3,rare-2*2,diamond*16,pearl*10,last-entry=405,dup-puzzle-tie --------- ------- ----- ----- 5 61 9046 rare-0*16,rare-1*12,rare-2*11,diamond*30,pearl*16

by **g.r.emlin** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:01 pm

::: game 0149 closed (idle for 1d00h) -- preliminary results :::

Code: Select all: game 0149 2011-08-11+05:00:00-0000 duration 1w04d dealer tarek pages 1030-1042 (final) 5 players ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 Pat 4.5/4.5/3.6 gsf 6.7/6.7/3.4 ronk 8.3/8.3/8.3 gsf 1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf 4.6/4.6/3.6 joel64 6.8/6.8/3.6 ronk 8.4/8.4/8.4 ronk 1.7/1.5/1.5 gsf 4.7/4.7/3.4 ronk 6.9/6.6/2.6 gsf 8.5/8.5/8.5 joel64 2.0/2.0/2.0 Pat 4.8/4.8/3.4 gsf 7.0/7.0/7.0 ronk 8.6/8.6/8.6 ronk 2.3/2.3/2.3 Pat 4.9/3.0/2.6 ronk 7.1/7.1/7.1 gsf 8.7/8.7/8.7 ronk 2.5/2.5/2.5 gsf 5.0/5.0/3.4 ronk 7.2/7.2/7.2 gsf 8.8/8.8/8.8 ronk 2.6/2.6/2.6 ronk 5.2/3.6/2.6 joel64 7.3/7.3/7.3 ronk 8.9/8.9/8.9 ronk 2.8/2.8/2.8 gsf 5.4/5.4/5.4 ronk 7.4/7.4/7.4 joel64 9.0/9.0/9.0 ronk 3.0/3.0/3.0 gsf 5.6/5.0/3.0 joel64 7.5/7.5/7.5 gsf 9.1/9.1/9.1 ronk 3.2/3.2/2.6 joel64 5.7/4.5/2.8 joel64 7.6/7.6/7.5 joel64 9.2/9.2/9.2 joel64 3.4/3.4/3.4 gsf 5.8/4.2/2.6 joel64 7.7/7.7/7.2 ronk 9.3/9.3/9.3 ronk 3.6/3.6/3.6 ronk 5.9/3.4/2.6 joel64 7.8/7.8/7.2 ronk 9.4/9.4/8.9 ronk 3.8/3.6/3.6 ronk 6.0/3.4/2.6 joel64 7.9/7.9/7.1 ronk 9.9/9.9/2.6 joel64 4.0/4.0/4.0 ronk 6.2/6.2/6.2 ronk 8.0/8.0/7.1 ronk 4.2/4.2/4.2 gsf 6.5/6.5/3.0 ronk 8.1/7.2/2.6 joel64 4.4/4.4/4.4 ronk 6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64 8.2/8.2/8.2 gsf ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ open ratings : 5.1 6.1 9.5-9.8 10.0-11.4 submitter entries score response notes --------- ------- ----- -------- ----- tarek 0 0 0 dealer Pat 3 29 40m17s dup-puzzle-tie*2 gsf 15 1578 2h33m rare-0*8,rare-1*4,rare-2*5,diamond*10,pearl*2,dup-rating-tie joel64 15 3176 3h38m rare-0*6,rare-1*5,rare-2*4,diamond*4,pearl*4,highest-rating=531 ronk 28 4263 1h36m rare-0*2,rare-1*3,rare-2*2,diamond*16,pearl*10,last-entry=405,dup-puzzle-tie --------- ------- ----- ----- 5 61 9046 rare-0*16,rare-1*12,rare-2*11,diamond*30,pearl*16

by **ronk** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:54 pm

::: more :::

Code: Select all: 000100509000708000000096001570000130002000400034000095300480000050607000708009000 4.7/4.7/3.6 000300801000704000000021004170000940003000200089000053600540000050607000708009000 5.0/5.0/4.2 000200609000706000000093002270000450003000100041000023400650000060807000708009000 6.7/6.7/6.7 000300507000605000000021003390000280002000900084000076600830000040506000708009000 6.9/6.9/3.0 000300406000507000000048001690000580005000600037000024300470000050806000708009000 8.1/8.1/2.6

by **eleven** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:35 am

::: comment :::

A bit late

But for this pattern it took 2 days to get a highest rating.

Code: Select all: ...2..4.7...6.7.......89..224....67...7...9...69....287..92.....3.4.6...9.6..1... ED=10.3/1.2/1.2

by **Pat** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:42 pm

eleven wrote:

...2..4.7...6.7.......89..224....67...7...9...69....287..92.....3.4.6...9.6..1... 10.3/1.2/1.2

great!

please post as "more"

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