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by **g.r.emlin** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:28 am

::: rarity :::

Code: Select all: 2011-07-07+09:06:00-0000 10.9/10.9/10.4 champagne rare ED seen once before

by **Patrice** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:18 pm

::: comment :::
Congratulation Champagne !
Nice post

and 6708 / 3524 for the second player
it seems that your new software SKFR is very efficient !

by **Patrice** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:21 pm

::: resign :::

Bye

by **champagne** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:37 pm

Patrice wrote:::: comment :::
Congratulation Champagne !
Nice post

and 6708 / 3524 for the second player
it seems that your new software SKFR is very efficient !

first of all enjoy your holiday

surely, skfr helps, but there are still a lot of work to do, this will be my next priority and I'll skip the next game to work on it.

That pattern has been a very good experimentation.

I have still in cache several 10.6 diamonds showing that a 25 clues pattern can give high rating.

I did not find any 10.7 rating, and only one 10.8 (not the one posted by joel) and one 10.9.

I'll publish at the end some stats on that game.

champagne

by **champagne** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:40 pm

BTW I could resign as well forcing end of game, but I think this would not be fair.

joel can do it if he does not want to continue.

champagne

by **g.r.emlin** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:09 am

::: game 0145 idle 2011-07-08+07:09:36-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2011-07-08+10:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0145 2011-06-29+21:00:00-0000 duration 1w00d dealer champagne pages 982-993 (open) 6 players 3 resigned ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 gsf 4.7/4.7/3.4 champagne 7.4/7.4/7.4 champagne 9.2/9.2/9.2 joel64 1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf 4.8/3.8/3.4 champagne 7.5/7.5/7.5 champagne 9.3/9.3/9.3 champagne 1.7/1.2/1.2 champagne 5.0/5.0/3.8 joel64 7.6/7.6/7.6 ronk 9.4/9.4/9.4 champagne 2.0/2.0/2.0 gsf 5.2/4.0/3.4 champagne 7.7/7.7/6.6 joel64 9.5/9.5/9.5 champagne 2.3/2.0/2.0 joel64 5.6/4.7/3.4 champagne 7.8/7.8/7.8 joel64 9.6/9.6/9.6 joel64 2.5/2.5/2.5 joel64 5.7/4.2/3.8 champagne 7.9/7.9/7.3 joel64 9.7/9.7/9.7 champagne 2.6/2.5/2.5 champagne 5.8/3.8/3.8 champagne 8.0/8.0/7.1 joel64 9.8/9.8/9.8 champagne 2.8/2.8/2.8 joel64 5.9/3.8/3.4 joel64 8.1/7.1/6.7 joel64 9.9/9.9/9.9 joel64 3.0/3.0/3.0 gsf 6.2/6.2/6.2 champagne 8.2/8.2/8.2 champagne 10.0/10.0/10.0 joel64 3.2/3.2/3.0 champagne 6.5/5.0/3.8 champagne 8.3/8.3/8.3 champagne 10.1/10.1/10.1 joel64 3.4/3.4/3.4 gsf 6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64 8.4/8.4/8.4 champagne 10.2/10.2/10.2 champagne 3.6/3.6/3.6 joel64 6.7/6.7/6.7 champagne 8.5/8.5/8.5 champagne 10.3/10.3/10.3 champagne 3.8/3.8/3.8 joel64 6.8/6.8/3.8 champagne 8.6/8.6/8.6 joel64 10.4/10.4/10.4 champagne 4.0/4.0/4.0 gsf 6.9/6.9/3.8 joel64 8.7/8.7/8.7 joel64 10.5/10.5/10.5 champagne 4.2/4.2/4.2 champagne 7.0/7.0/7.0 gsf 8.8/8.8/8.8 champagne 10.6/10.6/10.4 champagne 4.4/4.4/4.4 champagne 7.1/7.1/7.1 joel64 8.9/8.9/8.9 champagne 10.8/10.8/9.4 joel64 4.5/4.5/3.8 champagne 7.2/7.2/7.2 joel64 9.0/9.0/9.0 champagne 10.9/10.9/10.4 champagne 4.6/4.6/3.8 joel64 7.3/7.3/7.3 champagne 9.1/9.1/9.1 joel64 ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ rare ratings : 10.9 open ratings : 4.9 5.1 5.4 6.0 6.1 10.7 11.0-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- m_b_metcalf 0 0 5h01m Patrice 0 20 2h01m rare-1,resigned ronk 1 185 2h03m rare-0,diamond,resigned gsf 7 501 18m59s rare-0*5,rare-1,rare-2*2,diamond*4,resigned joel64 26 3524 1h48m rare-0*8,rare-1*3,rare-2,diamond*16,pearl*7 champagne 37 6708 1h23m rare-0*5,rare-1*3,rare-2,diamond*22,pearl*6,highest-rating=941,last-entry=476,premature-entry,dealer ----------- ------- ----- ----- 6 71 10938 rare-0*19,rare-1*8,rare-2*4,diamond*43,pearl*13,resigned*3

by **g.r.emlin** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:00 am

::: game 0145 closed (idle for 1d00h) -- preliminary results :::

Code: Select all: game 0145 2011-06-29+21:00:00-0000 duration 1w00d dealer champagne pages 982-993 (final) 6 players 3 resigned ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.2/1.2/1.2 gsf 4.7/4.7/3.4 champagne 7.4/7.4/7.4 champagne 9.2/9.2/9.2 joel64 1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf 4.8/3.8/3.4 champagne 7.5/7.5/7.5 champagne 9.3/9.3/9.3 champagne 1.7/1.2/1.2 champagne 5.0/5.0/3.8 joel64 7.6/7.6/7.6 ronk 9.4/9.4/9.4 champagne 2.0/2.0/2.0 gsf 5.2/4.0/3.4 champagne 7.7/7.7/6.6 joel64 9.5/9.5/9.5 champagne 2.3/2.0/2.0 joel64 5.6/4.7/3.4 champagne 7.8/7.8/7.8 joel64 9.6/9.6/9.6 joel64 2.5/2.5/2.5 joel64 5.7/4.2/3.8 champagne 7.9/7.9/7.3 joel64 9.7/9.7/9.7 champagne 2.6/2.5/2.5 champagne 5.8/3.8/3.8 champagne 8.0/8.0/7.1 joel64 9.8/9.8/9.8 champagne 2.8/2.8/2.8 joel64 5.9/3.8/3.4 joel64 8.1/7.1/6.7 joel64 9.9/9.9/9.9 joel64 3.0/3.0/3.0 gsf 6.2/6.2/6.2 champagne 8.2/8.2/8.2 champagne 10.0/10.0/10.0 joel64 3.2/3.2/3.0 champagne 6.5/5.0/3.8 champagne 8.3/8.3/8.3 champagne 10.1/10.1/10.1 joel64 3.4/3.4/3.4 gsf 6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64 8.4/8.4/8.4 champagne 10.2/10.2/10.2 champagne 3.6/3.6/3.6 joel64 6.7/6.7/6.7 champagne 8.5/8.5/8.5 champagne 10.3/10.3/10.3 champagne 3.8/3.8/3.8 joel64 6.8/6.8/3.8 champagne 8.6/8.6/8.6 joel64 10.4/10.4/10.4 champagne 4.0/4.0/4.0 gsf 6.9/6.9/3.8 joel64 8.7/8.7/8.7 joel64 10.5/10.5/10.5 champagne 4.2/4.2/4.2 champagne 7.0/7.0/7.0 gsf 8.8/8.8/8.8 champagne 10.6/10.6/10.4 champagne 4.4/4.4/4.4 champagne 7.1/7.1/7.1 joel64 8.9/8.9/8.9 champagne 10.8/10.8/9.4 joel64 4.5/4.5/3.8 champagne 7.2/7.2/7.2 joel64 9.0/9.0/9.0 champagne 10.9/10.9/10.4 champagne 4.6/4.6/3.8 joel64 7.3/7.3/7.3 champagne 9.1/9.1/9.1 joel64 ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ rare ratings : 10.9 open ratings : 4.9 5.1 5.4 6.0 6.1 10.7 11.0-11.4 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- m_b_metcalf 0 0 5h01m Patrice 0 20 2h01m rare-1,resigned ronk 1 185 2h03m rare-0,diamond,resigned gsf 7 501 18m59s rare-0*5,rare-1,rare-2*2,diamond*4,resigned joel64 26 3524 1h48m rare-0*8,rare-1*3,rare-2,diamond*16,pearl*7 champagne 37 6708 1h23m rare-0*5,rare-1*3,rare-2,diamond*22,pearl*6,highest-rating=941,last-entry=476,premature-entry,dealer ----------- ------- ----- ----- 6 71 10938 rare-0*19,rare-1*8,rare-2*4,diamond*43,pearl*13,resigned*3

by **champagne** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:08 am

::: more :::

Code: Select all: 9....8..7.7..6..5...43..9..4.....6...9..2..1...3.....5..8..67...1..3..2.7..2....1 ED=5.7/4.5/3.6 9....8..7.6..5..4...32..1..3.....6...5..8..7...9.....8..2..67...9..7..5.8..9....1 ED=8.1/7.2/6.7 9....8..7.6..5..4...49..8..5.....3...8..2..9...9.....6..1..74...4..8..2.6..5....1 ED=8.1/7.8/7.1 9....8..7.8..6..9...59..4..3.....8...2..1..5...9.....4..4..23...1..3..4.7..6....5 ED=10.6/10.6/10.6

by **champagne** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:18 am

::: comment :::

some stats on that game where I focused mainly on the high side.

It took me 9 runs to finally find the 10.9 puzzle and I noticed again that one need 4 _ 5 cycles to locate the best places with my process.

The count for diamonds I found >= 10.0 is

Code: Select all: 10.6 4 10.5 17 10.4 44 10.3 20 10.2 9 10.1 7 10 30

The count per ER is

Code: Select all: 10.9 1 10.8 1 10.6 78 10.5 239 10.4 409 10.3 169 10.2 88 10.1 98 10 333

knowing that my 10.8 is not the 10.8 posted by Joel. (at least it does not have the same rating).

champagne

by **ronk** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:24 am

::: more :::

Code: Select all: 600008007030020060005300200500000800080040020001000009008003700060050040300200001 ED=5.7/4.7/3.4 400007008030060070001400900900000800060070050004000002002006500040030020300200001 ED=7.7/7.7/7.2

by **joel64** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:36 pm

::: more :::

Code: Select all: 100002003040050020006700500800000700070030060002000005009001800030020050700500004 ED=7.7/7.7/7.2

by **g.r.emlin** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:00 am

::: game 0146 start LIGHTNING at 2011-07-11+19:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: dealer status candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin) 1 champagne 1 Pat 2 ronk 31 tarek 1 Mauricio 2 m_b_metcalf 5 JPF 87 g.r.emlin past patterns 1 claudiarabia 1 ravel 5 champagne 18 coloin 28 JPF 1 draco 1 wintder 9 gsf 19 TTHsieh 1 Eioru 3 g.r.emlin 16 Pat 24 Mauricio 1 pseudocoup 4 ronk 17 m_b_metcalf 27 tarek

by **Pat** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:36 pm

champagne wrote:

on page 988, champagne wrote:

I am surprised that a 25 clues puzzle
can produce such high ratings
and so many diamonds.

---showing that a 25 clues pattern can give high rating.

with 25 cells given,
we expect a vast quantity of puzzles;
even rejecting non-minimal puzzles,
we expect a plentiful supply of puzzles for the game.
as for the high ratings,
extra-tough puzzles are expected where the layout is fully-diagonal.

by **g.r.emlin** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:00 pm

::: game 0146 open LIGHTNING 2011-07-11+19:00:14-0000 dealer ronk 24 clues diagonal (main) symmetry :::

Code: Select all: . . . . . 8 . . 4 . . 3 . 6 . . 8 . . 6 . 7 . . 1 . . . . 5 . . . . 3 . . 3 . . 8 . . . 6 1 . . . . 4 7 . . . . 6 . . 5 2 . . . 4 . 3 . . . 1 . 2 . . . 1 . . . . ED=1.2/1.2/1.2

by **m_b_metcalf** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:06 pm

Code: Select all: . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . 3 . 4 . . 5 . . 6 . 7 . . 1 . . . . 8 . . . . 9 . . 7 . . 5 . . . 3 5 . . . . 9 4 . . . . 1 . . 2 6 . . . 9 . 3 . . . 7 . 4 . . . 6 . . . . ED=7.1/7.1/7.1

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

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