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[BryanL]

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Hi,
Can anybody give more explanation about the more messages when the game is closed ?
For instance :
- if we have 3 grids with the same rating, can we put all these in the more post or only one ?

Yes, if they qualify - see below

- if we have posted a 9.4/9.4/9.2 can we put a grid with a lower rating in the more post like 9.4/9.4/9.1 ?

No

or should we post only grid with a better rating than the last one we have posted for an ER ?

Yes

This part of the rules is not clear for me, especialy the "unplayable" ...

After the game is closed and before the next game starts players may post a batch of additional valid but unplayable puzzles for the closed game:

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::: more :::
81-char-grid  ER/EP/ED
   ...


Unplayable puzzles include those cached by the last player and puzzles with a higher ER/EP/ED of an entry by the same player.

The person who posted the last entry cannot post again, so for any puzzles he has in cache that would otherwise qualify as valid submissions, he can post those.

A player cannot trump his own submission, so for any puzzles he has in cache with ER/EP/ED higher than for any leading submissions of his own, he can post those.

[ronk]

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Can anybody give more explanation about the more messages when the game is closed ?
For instance :
- if we have 3 grids with the same rating, can we put all these in the more post or only one ?

Yes, if they qualify

Yes, but not 3 grids with the same ER. Only the 1 best grid for a given ER, assuming it otherwise qualifies.

[Patrice]

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Hi, Bryan & Ronk

Thanks for the explaination, it's clear for me now !

Best regards
PP

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0127 idle 2010-12-14+10:57:06-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2010-12-14+13:00:00-0000 :::

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game 0127 2010-12-10+04:00:00-0000 duration 3d08h dealer m_b_metcalf pages 744-756 (open) 6 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    4.6/4.6/3.4 ronk           7.2/7.2/7.2 ronk           9.0/9.0/9.0 ronk
    1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf            4.7/4.7/2.8 gsf            7.3/7.3/7.3 gsf            9.1/9.1/9.1 ronk
    1.7/1.5/1.5 joel64         4.8/1.5/1.5 gsf            7.4/7.4/7.3 ronk           9.2/9.2/9.2 gsf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 joel64         5.0/3.6/2.6 joel64         7.5/7.5/7.5 gsf            9.3/9.3/9.3 joel64
    2.3/2.3/2.3 BryanL         5.2/2.0/2.0 joel64         7.6/7.6/7.6 m_b_metcalf    9.4/9.4/9.4 ronk
    2.5/2.5/2.5 ronk           5.6/4.4/2.6 ronk           7.7/7.7/7.7 m_b_metcalf    9.5/9.5/9.4 Patrice
    2.6/2.6/2.6 joel64         5.7/4.2/2.6 Patrice        7.8/7.8/7.8 ronk           9.6/9.6/9.4 joel64
    2.8/2.8/2.8 ronk           5.8/1.2/1.2 gsf            7.9/7.9/7.8 gsf            9.7/9.7/9.4 joel64
    3.0/3.0/3.0 joel64         5.9/1.2/1.2 gsf            8.0/8.0/7.8 gsf            9.8/9.8/9.4 ronk
    3.2/3.2/3.2 joel64         6.2/3.6/3.6 joel64         8.2/8.2/8.2 ronk           9.9/9.9/9.7 m_b_metcalf
    3.4/3.4/3.4 joel64         6.5/3.6/3.6 Patrice        8.3/8.3/8.3 joel64       10.0/10.0/9.4 joel64
    3.6/3.6/3.6 ronk           6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64         8.4/8.4/8.4 gsf          10.1/10.1/9.2 ronk
    3.8/3.8/3.8 BryanL         6.7/6.7/6.7 joel64         8.5/8.5/8.5 m_b_metcalf  10.3/10.3/3.4 joel64
    4.0/4.0/4.0 ronk           6.8/6.8/3.4 joel64         8.6/8.6/8.6 ronk         10.4/10.4/9.3 joel64
    4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf    6.9/6.7/6.7 joel64         8.7/8.7/8.7 gsf          10.5/10.5/9.5 joel64
    4.4/4.4/4.2 joel64         7.0/7.0/7.0 ronk           8.8/8.8/8.8 ronk         10.6/10.6/9.8 Patrice
    4.5/4.5/3.4 BryanL         7.1/7.1/7.1 ronk           8.9/8.9/8.9 gsf
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    open ratings : 4.9 5.1 5.4 6.0 6.1 8.1 10.2 10.7-11.4

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
          BryanL        3    161    14m12s  rare-0,diamond,pearl
     m_b_metcalf        6    685     6m34s  rare-0*3,rare-2,diamond*4,pearl,lower-pearl,dealer
         Patrice        4   1620    26m48s  rare-0*3,rare-1*2,rare-2,pearl*2,highest-rating=758,lower-pearl
             gsf       13   1816     1h05m  rare-0,rare-1*2,diamond*6,pearl*3
          joel64       22   2715    55m01s  rare-0*2,rare-1,rare-2*2,diamond*8,pearl*8
            ronk       19   2960    56m07s  rare-0*3,rare-1*3,diamond*14,pearl*4,last-entry=438
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               6       67   9957            rare-0*13,rare-1*8,rare-2*4,diamond*33,pearl*19


[Pat]

This part of the rules is not clear for me, especialy the "unplayable" ...

After the game is closed and before the next game starts,
players may post a batch of additional valid but unplayable puzzles for the closed game

Unplayable puzzles include those cached by the last player and puzzles with a higher ER/EP/ED of an entry by the same player.

The person who posted the last entry cannot post again, so for any puzzles he has in cache that would otherwise qualify as valid submissions, he can post those.

A player cannot trump his own submission, so for any puzzles he has in cache with ER/EP/ED higher than for any leading submissions of his own, he can post those.

yes

however, "more" is treated leniently --
anyone can post any higher-rated puzzle
( even if it was playable )

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0127 closed (idle for 1d00h) -- preliminary results :::

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game 0127 2010-12-10+04:00:00-0000 duration 3d08h dealer m_b_metcalf pages 744-756 (final) 6 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 m_b_metcalf    4.6/4.6/3.4 ronk           7.2/7.2/7.2 ronk           9.0/9.0/9.0 ronk
    1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf            4.7/4.7/2.8 gsf            7.3/7.3/7.3 gsf            9.1/9.1/9.1 ronk
    1.7/1.5/1.5 joel64         4.8/1.5/1.5 gsf            7.4/7.4/7.3 ronk           9.2/9.2/9.2 gsf
    2.0/2.0/2.0 joel64         5.0/3.6/2.6 joel64         7.5/7.5/7.5 gsf            9.3/9.3/9.3 joel64
    2.3/2.3/2.3 BryanL         5.2/2.0/2.0 joel64         7.6/7.6/7.6 m_b_metcalf    9.4/9.4/9.4 ronk
    2.5/2.5/2.5 ronk           5.6/4.4/2.6 ronk           7.7/7.7/7.7 m_b_metcalf    9.5/9.5/9.4 Patrice
    2.6/2.6/2.6 joel64         5.7/4.2/2.6 Patrice        7.8/7.8/7.8 ronk           9.6/9.6/9.4 joel64
    2.8/2.8/2.8 ronk           5.8/1.2/1.2 gsf            7.9/7.9/7.8 gsf            9.7/9.7/9.4 joel64
    3.0/3.0/3.0 joel64         5.9/1.2/1.2 gsf            8.0/8.0/7.8 gsf            9.8/9.8/9.4 ronk
    3.2/3.2/3.2 joel64         6.2/3.6/3.6 joel64         8.2/8.2/8.2 ronk           9.9/9.9/9.7 m_b_metcalf
    3.4/3.4/3.4 joel64         6.5/3.6/3.6 Patrice        8.3/8.3/8.3 joel64       10.0/10.0/9.4 joel64
    3.6/3.6/3.6 ronk           6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64         8.4/8.4/8.4 gsf          10.1/10.1/9.2 ronk
    3.8/3.8/3.8 BryanL         6.7/6.7/6.7 joel64         8.5/8.5/8.5 m_b_metcalf  10.3/10.3/3.4 joel64
    4.0/4.0/4.0 ronk           6.8/6.8/3.4 joel64         8.6/8.6/8.6 ronk         10.4/10.4/9.3 joel64
    4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf    6.9/6.7/6.7 joel64         8.7/8.7/8.7 gsf          10.5/10.5/9.5 joel64
    4.4/4.4/4.2 joel64         7.0/7.0/7.0 ronk           8.8/8.8/8.8 ronk         10.6/10.6/9.8 Patrice
    4.5/4.5/3.4 BryanL         7.1/7.1/7.1 ronk           8.9/8.9/8.9 gsf
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    open ratings : 4.9 5.1 5.4 6.0 6.1 8.1 10.2 10.7-11.4

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
          BryanL        3    161    14m12s  rare-0,diamond,pearl
     m_b_metcalf        6    685     6m34s  rare-0*3,rare-2,diamond*4,pearl,lower-pearl,dealer
         Patrice        4   1620    26m48s  rare-0*3,rare-1*2,rare-2,pearl*2,highest-rating=758,lower-pearl
             gsf       13   1816     1h05m  rare-0,rare-1*2,diamond*6,pearl*3
          joel64       22   2715    55m01s  rare-0*2,rare-1,rare-2*2,diamond*8,pearl*8
            ronk       19   2960    56m07s  rare-0*3,rare-1*3,diamond*14,pearl*4,last-entry=438
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               6       67   9957            rare-0*13,rare-1*8,rare-2*4,diamond*33,pearl*19


[gsf]

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700002003002580090060000000005009006040000050200800100000000060070034200100700004 4.4/4.4/4.4


[ronk]

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6....7..9..912..8..1.........2..6..8.7.....5.9..8..7.........4..6..542..3..2....1    ED=5.2/2.8/2.6
2....8..6..873..1..9.........9..4..2.5.....4.7..8..5.........6..7..654..3..2....1    ED=5.6/4.5/3.0
9....4..7..591..3..8.........1..3..5.6.....9.2..6..8.........7..7..654..3..2....1    ED=5.8/3.8/3.8
4....6..9..748..2..8.........1..8..7.5.....6.2..5..1.........4..6..543..3..2....1    ED=6.2/3.8/3.8
6....9..8..713..5..4.........9..2..3.5.....8.8..7..1.........6..1..543..3..2....1    ED=6.5/3.8/2.6
2....6..7..543..8..8.........2..1..9.4.....5.8..6..3.........7..2..654..3..2....1    ED=6.8/6.8/4.2
4....6..9..297..8..3.........8..9..3.2.....4.1..8..6.........7..6..154..3..2....1    ED=7.4/7.4/7.4
5....2..9..978..3..1.........7..9..4.8.....1.1..5..7.........6..6..542..3..2....1    ED=10.2/10.1/4.4

[BryanL]

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700002003002580090060000000005009006040000050200800100000000060070034200100700004 4.4/4.4/4.4


Glenn, after all the "more" discussion, you post what would appear to be a playable puzzle. If it wasn't so close to the game close I would have assumed you were beaten by the buzzer...???

Patrice must be scratching his head...

[m_b_metcalf]

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Glenn, after all the "more" discussion, you post what would appear to be a playable puzzle. If it wasn't so close to the game close I would have assumed you were beaten by the buzzer...???

Patrice must be scratching his head...

Don't forget that gsf the discussant is not always identical to gsf the player (who has fixed sleeping times).

Regards,

Mike

[joel64]

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100002003004150060060000000007001005080000040200800900000000020090086700600400009  ED=5.0/3.8/3.8
100002003004150060060000000003007006040000030200500800000000020050096100700400008  ED=5.2/3.0/3.0
100002003004150060060000000007004006080000090200800700000000020050086900300500007  ED=6.2/3.8/3.4


[gsf]

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Glenn, after all the "more" discussion, you post what would appear to be a playable puzzle. If it wasn't so close to the game close I would have assumed you were beaten by the buzzer...???

Patrice must be scratching his head...

Don't forget that gsf the discussant is not always identical to gsf the player (who has fixed sleeping times).

thanks Mike
that's right, beaten by self-imposed playing times
had I been awake when it popped up I would have made a manual play

[gsf]

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anyone want to take a hack at clarifying the more description?

[m_b_metcalf]

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anyone want to take a hack at clarifying the more description?

After the game is closed and before the next game starts, players may post a batch of more puzzles for the closed game:

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::: more :::
81-char-grid  ER/EP/ED
   ...

These puzzles should be self-trumps (a puzzle with a higher ER/EP/ED than an entry by the same player), or any that the last player could have played, had he or she been given a further opportunity to do so (a puzzle with a higher ER/EP/ED than an entry of another player).

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

[Pat]

the present treatment of "more"
is lenient enough to allow gsf's puzzle
even though it was playable

i hope we can leave it this way
i.e.
anyone can post "more" ( with higher ratings than played puzzles )
even if these puzzle were playable