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[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0122 status LIGHTNING 2010-10-16+14:30:03-0000 :::

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game 0122 2010-10-11+00:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 5d14h dealer ronk pages 665-677 (open) 7 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 joel64         4.7/4.7/3.4 ronk           7.6/7.6/7.6 champagne      9.4/9.4/9.4 joel64
    1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf            5.0/5.0/3.8 ronk           7.7/7.7/7.3 champagne      9.5/9.5/9.5 champagne
    1.7/1.2/1.2 Pat            5.2/1.2/1.2 gsf            7.8/7.8/7.8 champagne      9.6/9.6/9.6 joel64
    2.0/2.0/2.0 gsf            5.6/4.7/3.4 champagne      7.9/7.9/7.2 champagne      9.7/9.7/9.7 champagne
    2.3/2.0/2.0 ronk           5.7/3.4/3.4 gsf            8.0/8.0/7.2 champagne      9.8/9.8/9.8 champagne
    2.5/2.5/2.5 joel64         5.9/1.2/1.2 gsf            8.1/1.2/1.2 gsf            9.9/9.9/9.9 joel64
    2.6/2.5/2.5 gsf            6.2/3.8/3.8 gsf            8.2/8.2/8.2 champagne   10.0/10.0/10.0 champagne
    2.8/2.8/2.8 gsf            6.5/3.8/3.8 champagne      8.3/8.3/8.3 ronk        10.1/10.1/10.1 champagne
    3.0/3.0/3.0 champagne      6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64         8.4/8.4/8.4 joel64      10.2/10.2/10.2 champagne
    3.2/3.2/3.2 gsf            6.7/6.7/3.8 joel64         8.5/8.5/8.5 champagne   10.3/10.3/10.3 champagne
    3.4/3.4/3.4 joel64         6.8/6.8/3.8 ronk           8.6/8.6/8.6 ronk        10.4/10.4/10.4 joel64
    3.6/3.6/3.6 joel64         6.9/6.7/3.4 gsf            8.7/8.7/8.3 joel64      10.5/10.5/10.5 joel64
    3.8/3.8/3.8 champagne      7.0/7.0/7.0 joel64         8.8/8.8/8.8 champagne   10.6/10.6/10.6 joel64
    4.0/4.0/3.4 ronk           7.1/7.1/7.1 gsf            8.9/8.9/8.9 joel64      10.7/10.7/10.5 champagne
    4.2/4.2/3.8 joel64         7.2/7.2/7.2 champagne      9.0/9.0/9.0 joel64      10.8/10.8/10.4 champagne
    4.4/4.4/3.4 ronk           7.3/7.3/7.3 joel64         9.1/9.1/9.1 joel64       10.9/10.9/9.3 champagne
    4.5/4.5/3.4 ronk           7.4/7.4/7.3 gsf            9.2/9.2/9.2 gsf
    4.6/4.6/3.4 ronk           7.5/7.5/7.2 gsf            9.3/9.3/9.3 joel64
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    rare ratings : 10.9

    open ratings : 4.8 4.9 5.1 5.4 5.8 6.0 6.1 11.0-11.4

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
       ---------  -------  -----  --------  -----
         surbier        0   -100    45m59s  bad-pattern,not-minimal
          BryanL        0    -50    21h10m  lower-pearl
             Pat        1     75     1h06m 
            ronk       10   1399     1h00m  rare-1*3,rare-2,diamond*2,pearl*7,dealer
             gsf       15   1933    55m47s  rare-0*8,rare-1*2,rare-2,diamond*4,pearl*2
          joel64       21   2789    46m52s  rare-0*6,rare-1,rare-2,diamond*17,pearl*3
       champagne       23   6038     1h31m  rare-0*5,rare-1*2,rare-2*5,diamond*15,pearl*6,highest-rating=889,last-entry=533
       ---------  -------  -----            -----
               7       70  12084            rare-0*19,rare-1*8,rare-2*8,diamond*38,pearl*18


[g.r.emlin]

::: rarity :::

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2010-10-16+14:28:00-0000 5.6/4.7/3.4 champagne rare ED seen once before


[ronk]

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 . . . . . 3 . . 6
 . . 1 . 2 . . 3 .
 . 8 . 5 . . 4 . .
 . . 6 . . . . . 2
 . 3 . . 9 . . 6 .
 4 . . . . . 7 . .
 . . 2 . . 1 . 7 .
 . 9 . . 6 . 8 . .
 5 . . 3 . . . . .    ED=8.7/8.7/8.5

[BryanL]

::: comment :::

it's now very late to have a chance to submit a puzzle.

Ah well It has been a good exercise getting my software together - so many steps...

Probably a fair way to go to get some higher EP/ED ratings though - out of a few hundred puzzles, with plenty of ERs above 8.0, only two had EP/ED greater than 1.2 - an 8.5/7.1/3.8 and an 8.3/8.3/3.4

[Pat]

I had only one in cache
that i can now play

you already had the last-entry bonus for your 10.1
-- so, best to hold on to your remaining puzzle ( 5.6 )
in case another player has something ( which indeed happened )

now that you've played your 5.6,
ronk got the last-entry bonus

[champagne]

::: comment :::

I had only one in cache
that i can now play

you already had the last-entry bonus for your 10.1
-- so, best to hold on to your remaining puzzle ( 5.6 )
in case another player has something ( which indeed happened )

now that you've played your 5.6,
ronk got the last-entry bonus

right and as I switched off my computer for that game, it's lost for ever.

ronk's found a very attractive pattern, I hope he will get the last-entry bonus.

champagne

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0122 idle LIGHTNING 2010-10-17+12:48:49-0000 -- with no further entries the game will close at 2010-10-17+15:00:00-0000 :::

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game 0122 2010-10-11+00:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 5d14h dealer ronk pages 665-678 (open) 7 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 joel64         4.7/4.7/3.4 ronk           7.6/7.6/7.6 champagne      9.4/9.4/9.4 joel64
    1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf            5.0/5.0/3.8 ronk           7.7/7.7/7.3 champagne      9.5/9.5/9.5 champagne
    1.7/1.2/1.2 Pat            5.2/1.2/1.2 gsf            7.8/7.8/7.8 champagne      9.6/9.6/9.6 joel64
    2.0/2.0/2.0 gsf            5.6/4.7/3.4 champagne      7.9/7.9/7.2 champagne      9.7/9.7/9.7 champagne
    2.3/2.0/2.0 ronk           5.7/3.4/3.4 gsf            8.0/8.0/7.2 champagne      9.8/9.8/9.8 champagne
    2.5/2.5/2.5 joel64         5.9/1.2/1.2 gsf            8.1/1.2/1.2 gsf            9.9/9.9/9.9 joel64
    2.6/2.5/2.5 gsf            6.2/3.8/3.8 gsf            8.2/8.2/8.2 champagne   10.0/10.0/10.0 champagne
    2.8/2.8/2.8 gsf            6.5/3.8/3.8 champagne      8.3/8.3/8.3 ronk        10.1/10.1/10.1 champagne
    3.0/3.0/3.0 champagne      6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64         8.4/8.4/8.4 joel64      10.2/10.2/10.2 champagne
    3.2/3.2/3.2 gsf            6.7/6.7/3.8 joel64         8.5/8.5/8.5 champagne   10.3/10.3/10.3 champagne
    3.4/3.4/3.4 joel64         6.8/6.8/3.8 ronk           8.6/8.6/8.6 ronk        10.4/10.4/10.4 joel64
    3.6/3.6/3.6 joel64         6.9/6.7/3.4 gsf            8.7/8.7/8.5 ronk        10.5/10.5/10.5 joel64
    3.8/3.8/3.8 champagne      7.0/7.0/7.0 joel64         8.8/8.8/8.8 champagne   10.6/10.6/10.6 joel64
    4.0/4.0/3.4 ronk           7.1/7.1/7.1 gsf            8.9/8.9/8.9 joel64      10.7/10.7/10.5 champagne
    4.2/4.2/3.8 joel64         7.2/7.2/7.2 champagne      9.0/9.0/9.0 joel64      10.8/10.8/10.4 champagne
    4.4/4.4/3.4 ronk           7.3/7.3/7.3 joel64         9.1/9.1/9.1 joel64       10.9/10.9/9.3 champagne
    4.5/4.5/3.4 ronk           7.4/7.4/7.3 gsf            9.2/9.2/9.2 gsf
    4.6/4.6/3.4 ronk           7.5/7.5/7.2 gsf            9.3/9.3/9.3 joel64
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    rare ratings : 10.9

    open ratings : 4.8 4.9 5.1 5.4 5.8 6.0 6.1 11.0-11.4

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
       ---------  -------  -----  --------  -----
         surbier        0   -100    45m59s  bad-pattern,not-minimal
          BryanL        0    -50    21h10m  lower-pearl
             Pat        1     75     1h06m 
             gsf       15   1933    55m47s  rare-0*8,rare-1*2,rare-2,diamond*4,pearl*2
            ronk       11   2298    59m01s  rare-1*3,rare-2,diamond*2,pearl*8,last-entry=535,dealer
          joel64       20   2597    46m52s  rare-0*6,rare-1,rare-2,diamond*17,pearl*2
       champagne       23   5371     1h31m  rare-0*5,rare-1*2,rare-2*5,diamond*15,pearl*6,highest-rating=889
       ---------  -------  -----            -----
               7       70  12124            rare-0*19,rare-1*8,rare-2*8,diamond*38,pearl*18


[Pat]

ronk's found a very attractive pattern,
I hope he will get the last-entry bonus.

the pattern is entirely diagonal,
so 10.x were expected

not that i know how to find them---
was really wondering if an 11.x might show up

[champagne]

::: comment :::

the pattern is entirely diagonal,
so 10.x were expected

not that i know how to find them---
was really wondering if an 11.x might show up

Nobody can say "no", but I have some doubts;

For sure, all the ratings over 10.4 are very hard puzzles (no SK loop, no Exocet, apparently no rank 0 logic) but they remain "relatively low" seen by my solver in the family of hardest.

What is amazing in that pattern is the number of high ratings.

Here after is the stat of puzzles I rated with ED 10.0 and over.
It looks like there would be a ceiling in the 10.8 10.9 area

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er   nb
10.9   1
10.8   3
10.7   5
10.6   117
10.5   210
10.4   202
10.3   67
10.2   25
10.1   74
10   267

BTW, I would be interested to collect any un published 10.8 10.9 puzzle found by others players to include them in my database of hardest.


champagne

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0122 closed LIGHTNING (idle for 1d00h) -- preliminary results :::

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game 0122 2010-10-11+00:00:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 5d14h dealer ronk pages 665-678 (final) 7 players
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    1.2/1.2/1.2 joel64         4.7/4.7/3.4 ronk           7.6/7.6/7.6 champagne      9.4/9.4/9.4 joel64
    1.5/1.5/1.5 gsf            5.0/5.0/3.8 ronk           7.7/7.7/7.3 champagne      9.5/9.5/9.5 champagne
    1.7/1.2/1.2 Pat            5.2/1.2/1.2 gsf            7.8/7.8/7.8 champagne      9.6/9.6/9.6 joel64
    2.0/2.0/2.0 gsf            5.6/4.7/3.4 champagne      7.9/7.9/7.2 champagne      9.7/9.7/9.7 champagne
    2.3/2.0/2.0 ronk           5.7/3.4/3.4 gsf            8.0/8.0/7.2 champagne      9.8/9.8/9.8 champagne
    2.5/2.5/2.5 joel64         5.9/1.2/1.2 gsf            8.1/1.2/1.2 gsf            9.9/9.9/9.9 joel64
    2.6/2.5/2.5 gsf            6.2/3.8/3.8 gsf            8.2/8.2/8.2 champagne   10.0/10.0/10.0 champagne
    2.8/2.8/2.8 gsf            6.5/3.8/3.8 champagne      8.3/8.3/8.3 ronk        10.1/10.1/10.1 champagne
    3.0/3.0/3.0 champagne      6.6/6.6/6.6 joel64         8.4/8.4/8.4 joel64      10.2/10.2/10.2 champagne
    3.2/3.2/3.2 gsf            6.7/6.7/3.8 joel64         8.5/8.5/8.5 champagne   10.3/10.3/10.3 champagne
    3.4/3.4/3.4 joel64         6.8/6.8/3.8 ronk           8.6/8.6/8.6 ronk        10.4/10.4/10.4 joel64
    3.6/3.6/3.6 joel64         6.9/6.7/3.4 gsf            8.7/8.7/8.5 ronk        10.5/10.5/10.5 joel64
    3.8/3.8/3.8 champagne      7.0/7.0/7.0 joel64         8.8/8.8/8.8 champagne   10.6/10.6/10.6 joel64
    4.0/4.0/3.4 ronk           7.1/7.1/7.1 gsf            8.9/8.9/8.9 joel64      10.7/10.7/10.5 champagne
    4.2/4.2/3.8 joel64         7.2/7.2/7.2 champagne      9.0/9.0/9.0 joel64      10.8/10.8/10.4 champagne
    4.4/4.4/3.4 ronk           7.3/7.3/7.3 joel64         9.1/9.1/9.1 joel64       10.9/10.9/9.3 champagne
    4.5/4.5/3.4 ronk           7.4/7.4/7.3 gsf            9.2/9.2/9.2 gsf
    4.6/4.6/3.4 ronk           7.5/7.5/7.2 gsf            9.3/9.3/9.3 joel64
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    rare ratings : 10.9

    open ratings : 4.8 4.9 5.1 5.4 5.8 6.0 6.1 11.0-11.4

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
       ---------  -------  -----  --------  -----
         surbier        0   -100    45m59s  bad-pattern,not-minimal
          BryanL        0    -50    21h10m  lower-pearl
             Pat        1     75     1h06m 
             gsf       15   1933    55m47s  rare-0*8,rare-1*2,rare-2,diamond*4,pearl*2
            ronk       11   2295    59m01s  rare-1*3,rare-2,diamond*2,pearl*8,last-entry=532,dealer
          joel64       20   2597    46m52s  rare-0*6,rare-1,rare-2,diamond*17,pearl*2
       champagne       23   5321     1h31m  rare-0*5,rare-1*2,rare-2*5,diamond*15,pearl*6,highest-rating=889,bad-submission
       ---------  -------  -----            -----
               7       70  12071            rare-0*19,rare-1*8,rare-2*8,diamond*38,pearl*18


[ronk]

::: more :::

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.....1..4..1.2..3..6.3..5....9.....7.8..9..6.7.....8....2..9.4..4..6.7..5..8.....    ED=5.7/3.6/3.6
.....4..1..1.2..3..3.5..6....9.....4.8..7..9.6.....3....4..9.1..1..6.2..5..7.....    ED=8.1/2.8/2.8

[joel64]

::: comment :::

BTW, I would be interested to collect any un published 10.8 10.9 puzzle found by others players to include them in my database of hardest.

champagne

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000001002003040010050600700008000009040080050700000100006002030020010800900400000  ED=10.9/10.9/9.3
000001002001030040050600300006000007040080060200000100007009050060040800900500000  ED=10.8/10.8/9.9
000001002003040050040600700007000006050080070900000300004009060070050800100200000  ED=10.8/10.8/9.9
000001002003040050040600700007000008030060090800000300004009060070050900100200000  ED=10.8/10.8/9.8
000001002003040050050600700007000008060090070400000300002008060040070500100300000  ED=10.8/10.8/7.8
000001002003040050060300700007000008040090060800000400004002070050030900100600000  ED=10.8/10.8/10.4


Joël

[champagne]

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Hi Joêl,

thank you very much, theses 2 were not in my files

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000001002001030040050600300006000007040080060200000100007009050060040800900500000  ED=10.8/10.8/9.9
000001002003040050050600700007000008060090070400000300002008060040070500100300000  ED=10.8/10.8/7.8

regarding that game, I thought you could find a higher rating that my best one ... and pass me. Anyway, I have been impressed by your quick start.

I gave up after 2 disappointing batches. My only success at the end of the game, has been to find the 10.1 diamond, what I specifically tried to do.



champagne

[gsf]

::: comment :::
in the last status post champagne has bad-submission
this was a bug in the post parser and is fixed for when the final tally is posted

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0123 start at 2010-10-21+00:00:00-0000 :::

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dealer status

candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin)

   1 Mauricio          1 ronk              8 JPF
   1 Pat               4 champagne        87 g.r.emlin

past patterns

   1 claudiarabia      1 ravel             3 g.r.emlin        15 coloin           25 JPF
   1 draco             1 wintder           9 gsf              19 TTHsieh
   1 Eioru             2 champagne        13 Pat              21 Mauricio
   1 pseudocoup        2 ronk             14 m_b_metcalf      24 tarek