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by **m_b_metcalf** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:42 pm

TTHsieh wrote:Will I get penalty of consecutive-entry ? If I post 3.6/3.6/3.6 before
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2008-02-10+13:55:00-0000 m_b_metcalf lower-pearl -50

TTHsieh

Indeed. I have two questions about the nitty-gritty of scoring:

1) If a player submits a puzzle in good faith to follow one that is subsequently declared invalid, should that result in a 'consecutive' penalty if he/she submitted the prior puzzle?

2) What is the status of a valid puzzle that is subsequently declared to be 'consecutive' or 'self-trump'? Is it open to an unscrupulous player to 'steal' the puzzle and submit it as their own (none of us would do that of course, but a vandal might)?

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **tarek** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:50 pm

part of the penalty should be to allow the immdiate previous submitter to post puzzles, it shouldn't count as a consecutive puzzle.

This has a downside, if 2 people decide to join forces, one could benifit from the others continuous but deliberate posting of invalid puzzles.

One could register with another identity & use it as in the above example to benifit his original identity.

tarek

by **m_b_metcalf** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:10 pm

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **TTHsieh** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:14 pm

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TTHsieh

by **gsf** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:05 pm

::: comment :::
the recent consecutive-entry adjustment for TTHsieh is clearly wrong

the rules wrote:In checking for consecutive posts by the same player, a syntactically correct submission is considered a submission, even if it is later tagged invalid.

but this is easier said than done -- it will be corrected by game's end

submissions tagged with a penalty claim the ER/EP/ED slot, preventing others from stealing it
the 50 point penalty here may not be a deterrent later in the game
so there is a question whether this is fair strategy (take a hit on claiming a slot so another player
won't get it), or if the penalty should reflect the pearl-diamond bonus

re unscrupulous play, should it happen (none of the current players would fall to the dark side), it
would be a simple thing to add either a whitelist or blacklist of login names to the referee

by **m_b_metcalf** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:23 pm

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **TTHsieh** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:59 pm

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TTHsieh

by **g.r.emlin** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:34 pm

::: game 0017 status :::

Code: Select all: game 0017 2008-02-08+05:15:00-0000 duration 2d13h dealer Pat pages 106-118 (open) 6 players 1.2/1.2/1.2 JPF 1.5/1.5/1.5 TTHsieh 1.7/1.5/1.5 Mauricio 2.0/2.0/2.0 TTHsieh 2.3/2.3/2.3 Mauricio 2.5/2.5/2.5 Mauricio 2.6/2.6/2.6 JPF 2.8/2.8/2.6 Mauricio 3.0/3.0/3.0 TTHsieh 3.2/3.2/3.2 Mauricio 3.4/3.4/3.4 TTHsieh 3.6/3.6/3.6 TTHsieh 3.8/3.4/2.6 m_b_metcalf 4.0/4.0/3.2 m_b_metcalf 4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf 4.4/3.4/3.0 TTHsieh 4.5/4.5/3.0 TTHsieh 4.6/3.4/2.6 TTHsieh 4.7/2.3/2.3 TTHsieh 5.0/2.6/2.6 Mauricio 5.2/1.2/1.2 gsf 5.6/3.2/2.6 m_b_metcalf 5.7/2.6/2.6 Mauricio 5.8/2.0/2.0 Mauricio 5.9/2.0/2.0 Mauricio 6.2/6.2/2.6 TTHsieh 6.5/2.0/2.0 Mauricio 6.6/6.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf 6.7/4.4/2.6 TTHsieh 6.8/3.2/2.6 TTHsieh 6.9/3.2/2.6 m_b_metcalf 7.0/3.2/2.6 gsf 7.1/7.1/7.1 TTHsieh 7.2/7.2/3.2 m_b_metcalf 7.3/7.3/3.2 m_b_metcalf 7.4/7.4/2.6 TTHsieh 7.5/7.5/3.2 TTHsieh 7.6/7.6/3.2 TTHsieh 7.7/7.7/2.6 TTHsieh 7.8/3.2/3.2 m_b_metcalf 7.9/7.9/3.2 m_b_metcalf 8.0/2.3/2.3 TTHsieh 8.1/1.2/1.2 TTHsieh 8.2/8.2/3.2 m_b_metcalf 8.3/8.3/7.6 m_b_metcalf 8.4/8.4/8.4 m_b_metcalf 8.5/8.5/3.4 TTHsieh 8.6/8.6/3.2 TTHsieh 8.7/8.7/3.2 m_b_metcalf 8.8/8.8/3.2 m_b_metcalf 8.9/8.9/8.5 m_b_metcalf 9.0/9.0/9.0 JPF 9.1/9.1/9.1 m_b_metcalf 9.2/9.2/9.0 m_b_metcalf 9.3/9.3/9.0 JPF 9.4/9.4/9.2 TTHsieh 9.5/1.2/1.2 JPF 9.6/9.6/2.6 JPF 9.7/9.7/3.2 JPF submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- Pat 0 0 0 dealer gsf 2 217 6m18s pearl JPF 7 517 17m22s diamond*2,pearl*2,highest-rating,self-trump Mauricio 10 714 10m59s diamond*2,pearl*3 m_b_metcalf 18 2273 11m02s diamond*3,pearl*14,dup-rating-tie,lower-pearl TTHsieh 22 2927 10m25s diamond*4,pearl*13,last-entry ----------- ------- ----- ----- 6 59 6648 diamond*11,pearl*33

by **m_b_metcalf** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:31 pm

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **gsf** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:40 pm

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by **TTHsieh** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:43 pm

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TTHsieh

by **m_b_metcalf** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:44 pm

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Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **TTHsieh** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:51 pm

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TTHsieh

by **gsf** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:36 pm

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by **TTHsieh** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:41 pm

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TTHsieh

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