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Postby TTHsieh » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:46 am

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Postby TTHsieh » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:49 am

::: comment :::

I suggest that we call the puzzles :
  • Pearl Puzzles : EP > 2.3
  • Diamond Puzzles : EP > 2.3 and ER = EP = ED
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Postby JPF » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:46 am

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 6 . . | . 1 . | . . 3
 . . . | 9 . 7 | . . .
 . . 2 | . . . | 8 . .    ED=9.3/9.3/9.0


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Postby TTHsieh » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:53 pm

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 . . 6 | . . . | 8 . .  ED=4.6/3.4/2.6


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Postby g.r.emlin » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:57 pm

::: game 0017 status :::
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game 0017 2008-02-08+05:15:00-0000 duration 1d09h dealer Pat pages 106-116 (open) 6 players

   1.2/1.2/1.2 JPF             1.5/1.5/1.5 TTHsieh         1.7/1.5/1.5 Mauricio        2.0/2.0/2.0 TTHsieh
   2.3/2.3/2.3 Mauricio        2.5/2.5/2.5 Mauricio        2.6/2.6/2.6 JPF             2.8/2.8/2.6 Mauricio
   3.0/3.0/3.0 TTHsieh         3.2/3.2/3.2 Mauricio        3.4/3.4/3.2 m_b_metcalf     3.6/3.4/2.6 gsf
   3.8/3.2/2.6 TTHsieh         4.0/4.0/2.6 TTHsieh         4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf     4.4/3.4/3.0 TTHsieh
   4.5/4.5/2.6 m_b_metcalf     4.6/3.4/2.6 TTHsieh         4.7/2.3/2.3 TTHsieh         5.0/2.6/2.6 Mauricio
   5.2/1.2/1.2 gsf             5.6/3.4/2.6 TTHsieh         5.7/2.6/2.6 Mauricio        5.8/2.0/2.0 Mauricio
   5.9/2.0/2.0 Mauricio        6.2/6.2/2.6 TTHsieh         6.5/2.0/2.0 Mauricio        6.6/6.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf
   6.7/4.4/2.6 TTHsieh         6.8/3.2/2.6 TTHsieh         6.9/3.2/2.6 m_b_metcalf     7.0/3.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf
   7.1/7.1/3.2 m_b_metcalf     7.2/7.2/3.2 m_b_metcalf     7.3/7.3/3.2 m_b_metcalf     7.4/7.1/3.2 m_b_metcalf
   7.5/7.5/3.2 TTHsieh         7.6/7.6/3.2 TTHsieh         7.7/3.2/3.2 m_b_metcalf     7.8/3.2/3.2 m_b_metcalf
   7.9/7.9/3.2 m_b_metcalf     8.0/2.3/2.3 TTHsieh         8.1/1.2/1.2 TTHsieh         8.2/8.2/2.6 TTHsieh
   8.3/8.3/7.6 m_b_metcalf     8.4/8.4/4.4 m_b_metcalf     8.5/8.5/3.4 TTHsieh         8.6/8.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf
   8.7/8.7/2.6 TTHsieh         8.8/8.8/3.2 m_b_metcalf     8.9/8.9/8.5 m_b_metcalf     9.0/9.0/9.0 JPF
   9.1/9.1/9.1 m_b_metcalf     9.2/9.2/9.0 m_b_metcalf     9.3/9.3/9.0 JPF             9.4/9.4/2.6 JPF
   9.5/1.2/1.2 JPF             9.6/9.6/2.6 JPF             9.7/9.7/3.2 JPF

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
             Pat        0      0         0  dealer
             gsf        2    173     6m45s  pearl
             JPF        8    467    17m22s  diamond*2,pearl*2,highest-rating,self-trump*2
        Mauricio       10    714    10m51s  diamond*2,pearl*3
         TTHsieh       19   1983    10m03s  diamond,pearl*13,last-entry
     m_b_metcalf       20   2221     8m59s  diamond*2,pearl*18,dup-rating-tie
     -----------  -------  -----            -----
               6       59   5558            diamond*7,pearl*37
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Postby m_b_metcalf » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:11 pm

::: comment :::
TTHsieh wrote:::: comment :::

I suggest that we call the puzzles :
  • Pearl Puzzles : EP > 2.3
  • Diamond Puzzles : EP > 2.3 and ER = EP = ED
TTHsieh

Seconded. Diamonds are much rarer and more valuable than pearls.

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Postby tarek » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:21 pm

I know that you are trying to tailor something specific for this pattern game but it would really be harsh to label puzzles with ED>11 as non diamonds just because ER<>EP<>ED

what is wrong with picking let's say SE=7 (which I think is outside SS rating) as cut-off

EP>7 is a pearl
ED>7 is a diamond

(this is a suggestion, I'm not totally against the previous suggestions by m_b_metcalf & TTHsieh)

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Postby m_b_metcalf » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:36 pm

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 . . . 4 . 3 . . .
 . . 2 . . . 3 . . ED=9.4/9.4/7.6

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Postby TTHsieh » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:37 pm

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 . . 2 | . . . | 9 . .  ED=9.4/9.4/9.2


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Postby gsf » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:57 pm

::: comment :::
JPF wrote:I finally understood that there is no credit for the new entry in the case of a self trump and that the credit for the first submission is lost also.

I wonder why.

In that situation, I agree with a penalty (50 or whatever), but with such a loss of points for the new entry there are no incentive to try to improve its own rating and to challenge all the players for the best ED rating.

the unplayable diamonds/pearls you have in hand can always be in a :::: more ::: post after the game closes
most likely no other player had a diamond/pearl for that rating or they would have played it
trumps wipe out all previous scoring for that rating (mainly because it was easy to code it that way)
but it may make a difference in some games to hold a trump and let the opponent sit on a penalty

for now I'd like the game to settle in as is for a few rounds and focus on how some players
have noticable success on the higher rating puzzles ...
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Postby gsf » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:06 pm

tarek wrote:I know that you are trying to tailor something specific for this pattern game but it would really be harsh to label puzzles with ED>11 as non diamonds just because ER<>EP<>ED

what is wrong with picking let's say SE=7 (which I think is outside SS rating) as cut-off

EP>7 is a pearl
ED>7 is a diamond

(this is a suggestion, I'm not totally against the previous suggestions by m_b_metcalf & TTHsieh)

tarek

the pearl/diamond score formula already puts a premium on diamonds (negative values are ignored)
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(5*(EP-2.3)+10*(ED-2.3))

so we're basically dealing with naming
the status listing was changed re the TTHsieh/m_b_metcalf suggestion
ER==EP==ED in the game can't be trumped, so it does have some significance

its not too bad because pearl/diamond is relative to the ER anyway
e.g., you wouldn't purchace a real diamond without knowing (at least) its weight
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Postby m_b_metcalf » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:12 pm

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 6 . . . 1 . . . 5
 . . . 9 . 6 . . .
 . . 2 . . . 4 . . ED=3.6/3.6/3.2

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Postby TTHsieh » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:21 pm

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 . . . | 9 . 5 | . . .
 . . 2 | . . . | 1 . .  ED=4.5/4.5/3.0


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Postby m_b_metcalf » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:11 pm

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 . . . 9 . 8 . . .
 . . 2 . . . 4 . .  ED=8.7/8.7/3.2

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Postby TTHsieh » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:06 am

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 . . 7 | . . . | 5 . .  ED=7.1/7.1/7.1


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