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by **TTHsieh** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:46 am

Code: Select all: . . 1 | . . . | 2 . . . . . | 3 . 4 | . . . 5 . . | . 2 . | . . 6 - - - + - - - + - - - . 6 . | 7 . 1 | . 8 . . . 3 | . . . | 9 . . . 8 . | 2 . 9 | . 4 . - - - + - - - + - - - 3 . . | . 7 . | . . 5 . . . | 6 . 3 | . . . . . 4 | . . . | 1 . . ED=8.5/8.5/3.4

TTHsieh

by **TTHsieh** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:49 am

::: comment :::

I suggest that we call the puzzles :

Pearl Puzzles : EP > 2.3
Diamond Puzzles : EP > 2.3 and ER = EP = ED

TTHsieh

by **JPF** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:46 am

Code: Select all: . . 1 | . . . | 2 . . . . . | 1 . 3 | . . . 4 . . | . 5 . | . . 6 -------+-------+------- . 5 . | 7 . 1 | . 8 . . . 4 | . . . | 7 . . . 9 . | 4 . 8 | . 5 . -------+-------+------- 6 . . | . 1 . | . . 3 . . . | 9 . 7 | . . . . . 2 | . . . | 8 . . ED=9.3/9.3/9.0

JPF

by **TTHsieh** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:53 pm

Code: Select all: . . 1 | . . . | 2 . . . . . | 3 . 4 | . . . 3 . . | . 5 . | . . 6 - - - + - - - + - - - . 2 . | 7 . 3 | . 8 . . . 7 | . . . | 4 . . . 8 . | 9 . 5 | . 1 . - - - + - - - + - - - 9 . . | . 3 . | . . 1 . . . | 2 . 1 | . . . . . 6 | . . . | 8 . . ED=4.6/3.4/2.6

TTHsieh

by **g.r.emlin** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:57 pm

::: game 0017 status :::

Code: Select all: game 0017 2008-02-08+05:15:00-0000 duration 1d09h dealer Pat pages 106-116 (open) 6 players 1.2/1.2/1.2 JPF 1.5/1.5/1.5 TTHsieh 1.7/1.5/1.5 Mauricio 2.0/2.0/2.0 TTHsieh 2.3/2.3/2.3 Mauricio 2.5/2.5/2.5 Mauricio 2.6/2.6/2.6 JPF 2.8/2.8/2.6 Mauricio 3.0/3.0/3.0 TTHsieh 3.2/3.2/3.2 Mauricio 3.4/3.4/3.2 m_b_metcalf 3.6/3.4/2.6 gsf 3.8/3.2/2.6 TTHsieh 4.0/4.0/2.6 TTHsieh 4.2/4.2/4.2 m_b_metcalf 4.4/3.4/3.0 TTHsieh 4.5/4.5/2.6 m_b_metcalf 4.6/3.4/2.6 TTHsieh 4.7/2.3/2.3 TTHsieh 5.0/2.6/2.6 Mauricio 5.2/1.2/1.2 gsf 5.6/3.4/2.6 TTHsieh 5.7/2.6/2.6 Mauricio 5.8/2.0/2.0 Mauricio 5.9/2.0/2.0 Mauricio 6.2/6.2/2.6 TTHsieh 6.5/2.0/2.0 Mauricio 6.6/6.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf 6.7/4.4/2.6 TTHsieh 6.8/3.2/2.6 TTHsieh 6.9/3.2/2.6 m_b_metcalf 7.0/3.0/2.6 m_b_metcalf 7.1/7.1/3.2 m_b_metcalf 7.2/7.2/3.2 m_b_metcalf 7.3/7.3/3.2 m_b_metcalf 7.4/7.1/3.2 m_b_metcalf 7.5/7.5/3.2 TTHsieh 7.6/7.6/3.2 TTHsieh 7.7/3.2/3.2 m_b_metcalf 7.8/3.2/3.2 m_b_metcalf 7.9/7.9/3.2 m_b_metcalf 8.0/2.3/2.3 TTHsieh 8.1/1.2/1.2 TTHsieh 8.2/8.2/2.6 TTHsieh 8.3/8.3/7.6 m_b_metcalf 8.4/8.4/4.4 m_b_metcalf 8.5/8.5/3.4 TTHsieh 8.6/8.6/2.6 m_b_metcalf 8.7/8.7/2.6 TTHsieh 8.8/8.8/3.2 m_b_metcalf 8.9/8.9/8.5 m_b_metcalf 9.0/9.0/9.0 JPF 9.1/9.1/9.1 m_b_metcalf 9.2/9.2/9.0 m_b_metcalf 9.3/9.3/9.0 JPF 9.4/9.4/2.6 JPF 9.5/1.2/1.2 JPF 9.6/9.6/2.6 JPF 9.7/9.7/3.2 JPF submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- Pat 0 0 0 dealer gsf 2 173 6m45s pearl JPF 8 467 17m22s diamond*2,pearl*2,highest-rating,self-trump*2 Mauricio 10 714 10m51s diamond*2,pearl*3 TTHsieh 19 1983 10m03s diamond,pearl*13,last-entry m_b_metcalf 20 2221 8m59s diamond*2,pearl*18,dup-rating-tie ----------- ------- ----- ----- 6 59 5558 diamond*7,pearl*37

by **m_b_metcalf** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:11 pm

::: comment :::

TTHsieh wrote:::: comment :::

I suggest that we call the puzzles :
Pearl Puzzles : EP > 2.3
Diamond Puzzles : EP > 2.3 and ER = EP = ED
TTHsieh

Seconded. Diamonds are much rarer and more valuable than pearls.

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **tarek** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:21 pm

I know that you are trying to tailor something specific for this pattern game but it would really be harsh to label puzzles with ED>11 as non diamonds just because ER<>EP<>ED

what is wrong with picking let's say SE=7 (which I think is outside SS rating) as cut-off

EP>7 is a pearl
ED>7 is a diamond

(this is a suggestion, I'm not totally against the previous suggestions by m_b_metcalf & TTHsieh)

tarek

by **m_b_metcalf** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:36 pm

Code: Select all: . . 5 . . . 2 . . . . . 1 . 4 . . . 3 . . . 5 . . . 6 . 5 . 7 . 1 . 8 . . . 1 . . . 7 . . . 7 . 9 . 8 . 5 . 6 . . . 8 . . . 9 . . . 4 . 3 . . . . . 2 . . . 3 . . ED=9.4/9.4/7.6

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **TTHsieh** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:37 pm

Code: Select all: . . 1 | . . . | 2 . . . . . | 3 . 1 | . . . 4 . . | . 5 . | . . 6 - - - + - - - + - - - . 1 . | 7 . 3 | . 8 . . . 8 | . . . | 7 . . . 9 . | 5 . 8 | . 4 . - - - + - - - + - - - 6 . . | . 3 . | . . 1 . . . | 4 . 7 | . . . . . 2 | . . . | 9 . . ED=9.4/9.4/9.2

TTHsieh

by **gsf** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:57 pm

::: comment :::

JPF wrote:I finally understood that there is no credit for the new entry in the case of a self trump and that the credit for the first submission is lost also.

I wonder why.

In that situation, I agree with a penalty (50 or whatever), but with such a loss of points for the new entry there are no incentive to try to improve its own rating and to challenge all the players for the best ED rating.

the unplayable diamonds/pearls you have in hand can always be in a :::: more ::: post after the game closes
most likely no other player had a diamond/pearl for that rating or they would have played it
trumps wipe out all previous scoring for that rating (mainly because it was easy to code it that way)
but it may make a difference in some games to hold a trump and let the opponent sit on a penalty

for now I'd like the game to settle in as is for a few rounds and focus on how some players
have noticable success on the higher rating puzzles ...

by **gsf** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:06 pm

tarek wrote:I know that you are trying to tailor something specific for this pattern game but it would really be harsh to label puzzles with ED>11 as non diamonds just because ER<>EP<>ED

what is wrong with picking let's say SE=7 (which I think is outside SS rating) as cut-off

EP>7 is a pearl
ED>7 is a diamond

(this is a suggestion, I'm not totally against the previous suggestions by m_b_metcalf & TTHsieh)

tarek

the pearl/diamond score formula already puts a premium on diamonds (negative values are ignored)

Code: Select all: (5*(EP-2.3)+10*(ED-2.3))

so we're basically dealing with naming
the status listing was changed re the TTHsieh/m_b_metcalf suggestion
ER==EP==ED in the game can't be trumped, so it does have some significance

its not too bad because pearl/diamond is relative to the ER anyway
e.g., you wouldn't purchace a real diamond without knowing (at least) its weight

by **m_b_metcalf** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:12 pm

Code: Select all: . . 3 . . . 9 . . . . . 1 . 3 . . . 1 . . . 7 . . . 2 . 5 . 7 . 1 . 4 . . . 4 . . . 8 . . . 3 . 8 . 4 . 2 . 6 . . . 1 . . . 5 . . . 9 . 6 . . . . . 2 . . . 4 . . ED=3.6/3.6/3.2

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **TTHsieh** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:21 pm

Code: Select all: . . 1 | . . . | 2 . . . . . | 3 . 4 | . . . 4 . . | . 5 . | . . 6 - - - + - - - + - - - . 5 . | 7 . 3 | . 8 . . . 8 | . . . | 7 . . . 3 . | 5 . 8 | . 9 . - - - + - - - + - - - 6 . . | . 3 . | . . 7 . . . | 9 . 5 | . . . . . 2 | . . . | 1 . . ED=4.5/4.5/3.0

TTHsieh

by **m_b_metcalf** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:11 pm

Code: Select all: . . 9 . . . 5 . . . . . 3 . 1 . . . 1 . . . 8 . . . 2 . 4 . 7 . 5 . 9 . . . 7 . . . 3 . . . 1 . 8 . 3 . 4 . 6 . . . 4 . . . 8 . . . 9 . 8 . . . . . 2 . . . 4 . . ED=8.7/8.7/3.2

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **TTHsieh** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:06 am

Code: Select all: . . 1 | . . . | 2 . . . . . | 3 . 4 | . . . 5 . . | . 6 . | . . 7 - - - + - - - + - - - . 8 . | 6 . 3 | . 5 . . . 3 | . . . | 9 . . . 4 . | 9 . 1 | . 8 . - - - + - - - + - - - 2 . . | . 8 . | . . 4 . . . | 5 . 9 | . . . . . 7 | . . . | 5 . . ED=7.1/7.1/7.1

TTHsieh

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