The New Sudoku Players' Forum

[ronk]

gsf, I looked at some of my old posts with the intent of updating URLs. It seems that all internal links -- links to posts in this forum -- are already updated. I'm assuming this is because you captured HTML pages with your May '09 snapshot ... and means you must have an old-to-new URL lookup table.

Can you make this table available so that we can correctly update links in other forums

[gsf]

gsf, I looked at some of my old posts with the intent of updating URLs. It seems that all internal links -- links to posts in this forum -- are already updated. I'm assuming this is because you captured HTML pages with your May '09 snapshot ... and means you must have an old-to-new URL lookup table.

Can you make this table available so that we can correctly update links in other forums

niggling details like that are why it took jason and me 1 month to prepare the new forum
here is a unix shell script (ripped from a larger conversion script) that does the url conversion
run it with the urls to convert as the script args

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# convert old player's forum urls to new

URL_DECODE_OLD_1='http://www\.sudoku\.com/\(boards\|forums\)/'
URL_DECODE_OLD_2='http://sudoku\.com/\(boards\|forums\)/'
URL_DECODE_NEW='http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/'

URL_ENCODE_OLD_1='http://www.sudoku.com/\(boards\|forums\)/'
URL_ENCODE_OLD_2='http://sudoku.com/\(boards\|forums\)/'
URL_ENCODE_NEW='http\://forum\.enjoysudoku\.com/'

for i
do      echo "$i" |
        tr A-Z a-z |
        sed \
                -e "s,$URL_DECODE_OLD_1,$URL_DECODE_NEW,g" \
                -e "s,$URL_DECODE_OLD_2,$URL_DECODE_NEW,g" \
                -e "s,$URL_ENCODE_OLD_1,$URL_ENCODE_NEW,g" \
                -e "s,$URL_ENCODE_OLD_2,$URL_ENCODE_NEW,g" \
                -e 's/?p=\([0-9][0-9]*\)#\1/?p=\1#p\1/g' \
                -e "s/\\([^\\\\]\\)'/\\1\\\\'/g"
done


[JasonLion]

To put that in a more readable format for people editing by hand:

Replace any of:

http://www.sudoku.com/forums/
http://sudoku.com/forums/
http://www.sudoku.com/boards/
http://sudoku.com/boards/

With:

http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/

Also, if there is a "#NNN" at the end of URL, where NNN can be any number, add a 'p' after the '#', so it becomes "#pNNN".

For example:

http://www.sudoku.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2646

becomes:

http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/viewtopic.php?t=2646

[ronk]

Also, if there is a "#NNN" at the end of URL, where NNN can be any number, add a 'p' after the '#', so it becomes "#pNNN".

For example:

http://www.sudoku.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2646

becomes:

http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/viewtopic.php?t=2646

I'm assuming you mean if there is a "p=NNN" at the end, "#NNN" should be appended to obtain "p=NNN#NNN" ... where the NNN is repeated.

[JasonLion]

Not exactly.

What you will normally see with a "p=" will be:

http://www.sudoku.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=11444#11444

which goes to:

http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/viewtopic.php?p=11444#p11444

However, if you have:

http://www.sudoku.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=11444

To have it go exactly where it went before you would put:

http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/viewtopic.php?p=11444

Now, where it went before may or may not be where the original author meant it to go. With the "#p11444" it positions to the specific post, and without it you see the entire topic from the top. That is the same on the old and the new forum. So if all you are doing is adjusting links to point to the new forum, you don't add the "#pNNN".

Seeing a "p=NNN" without a "#NNN" is suggestive that the original author of the link made a mistake, but that is impossible to know without more information. They might have left the "#NNN" off on purpose, or by accident.

On a related note, if you see "&sid=HHH", where HHH is a fairly long hexadecimal number, you can remove it (or leave it alone). The "sid" portion is ignored on both the old and new forums.

One more complication, just to be through, if you see something for the form:

http://www.sudoku.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=4

with viewforum instead of viewtopic and an "f=NN" portion, you need to fix those up completely by hand. The NN numbers following "f=" have changed. You need to figure out which forum/topic area they were trying to link to and find out the correct URL. Fortunately, links of this form are extremely rare.

[ronk]

Not exactly.

What you will normally see with a "p=" will be:

http://www.sudoku.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=11444#11444

which goes to:

http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/viewtopic.php?p=11444#p11444

Aha, I get it now. Your earlier example was a "t=" rather than a "p=", and I didn't read the previous sentence carefully enough. Thanks.

[dobrichev]

Could somebody update the links to former sudoku.com in en.wikipedia.org ?
I tried to fix the first 2 links at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_Sudoku, namely
http://www.sudoku.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=2 -> http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/viewtopic.php?p=2, and
http://www.sudoku.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=44&start=138 -> http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/viewtopic.php?t=44&start=138
and saw the results are not acceptable. Seems some extra work must be done.

[JasonLion]

http ://www.sudoku.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=2 refers to post #2, which was deleted years ago, well before the backup we restored from.

[Pat]

Could somebody update the links to former sudoku-dot-com in en.wikipedia.org ?
I tried to fix the first 2 links at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_Sudoku,
namely---and viewtopic.php?t=44&start=138
and saw the results are not acceptable. Seems some extra work must be done.

start=138 was an attempt to link to a specific post


this method usually works
but was never advisable

( it would fail if an earlier post got deleted
or if the Topic got split )
this is apparently the intended post --
http://Forum.EnjoySuDoku.com/viewtopic.php?p=1721#p1721

[Pat]

p=2 refers to post #2,
which was deleted years ago,
well before the backup we restored from.

p=2 was Pappocom's original post on Basic terms

it was lost when the forum was hacked in early-2006

later re-posted (2006.May.16),
this is the new URL --

http://Forum.EnjoySuDoku.com/viewtopic.php?t=4120

[dobrichev]

Thank you Pat. Thank you JasonLion.
I updated these 2 links. Hope the authors of the article will do the rest.

[Pat]

Could somebody update the links to former sudoku.com in en.wikipedia.org ?
I tried to fix---at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_Sudoku---and saw the results are not acceptable.
Seems some extra work must be done.

start=15 produces the standard page 2 --
skips 15 posts, showing the 16th post at the top of the page

start=16 produced ( in the past ) a non-standard page 2 --
still calling itself "page 2"
but skipped 16 posts, showing the 17th post at the top of the page
-- this non-standard page was very confusing,
but it did have the advantage of showing the desired post at the top !

well this behaviour has been lost in the new forum --
start=16 now produces the standard page 2,
leaving it for us to count down to the desired post

hence, as you said, some extra work must be done

manually counting down like this is painful,
and can lead to mistakes

i cannot imagine anyone repairing dozens of links this way

[ronk]

JasonLion, I checked two phpBB2 sites (dailysudoku.com with 20 posts per page, and the Programmers' Forums with 15) and both operate as Pat claims. Although I never knowingly posted links that depended upon "start=N", I agree that this phpBB2 "feature" should be retained. Hopefully it's a configurable feature in phpBB3.

However, I suppose that moderator movement of posts, e.g., from one topic to another, could change the top post intended by an author.

[Pat]

in the WikiPedia article

links which still need fixing

include 3 easy fixes ( links to specific post-id ) --

10 p=2992#p2992
44 p=3366#p3366
62 p=11444#p11444

and 4 easy fixes ( links to specific topic-id without start= ) --

22 t=2840
50 t=4281
65 t=5384
66 t=4209

this still leaves 37 problematic links which use start= ( including a small number of duplicates ) --

9 t=44&start=527
11 t=44&start=412
12 t=44&start=422
13 t=44&start=430
15 t=2511&start=17
16 t=44&start=568
17 t=44&start=525
18 t=44&start=567
19 t=2840&start=2
20 t=44&start=41
21 t=44&start=527
23 t=2840&start=11
24 t=44&start=412
25 t=44&start=548
26 t=2840&start=1
27 t=44&start=525
28 t=44&start=543
29 t=44&start=543
30 t=44&start=543
31 t=2840&start=14
32 t=44&start=567
33 t=44&start=567
34 t=2840&start=2
35 t=2840&start=2
36 t=2840&start=5
37 t=2840&start=11
38 t=2840&start=11
39 t=2840&start=11
40 t=44&start=393
41 t=44&start=187
42 t=44&start=403
46 t=44&start=454
51 t=4281&start=6
54 t=3284&start=7
56 t=2082&start=16
64 t=44&start=138
68 t=1180&start=15

[tarek]

using "start=threadpostIndex" was extensively usedin the previous forum ....

Thisis currently not supported ...

Attempts at making an alternative "-threadpostIndex" works only in multiples of 15

tarek