2 puzzles i need help with please...

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Postby wapati » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:34 pm

udosuk wrote:
QBasicMac wrote:Hey, I'm in a contest. I have to list the planets in order from the sun. Please help me cheat by providing the answer so I can beat out the stupid nerds that do there own work. TIA

Mac, sorry can't help you there... Your question doesn't have a unique answer (the double dwarf planets Pluto & Charon keep changing their distances from the Sun so the order is not fixed)... I only help people cheat on questions/puzzles/tests/exams with unique answers/solutions... You're on your own against those stupid nerds there...


Worse than that, Pluto is sometimes nearer than Neptune.
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Postby udosuk » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:38 am

QBasicMac wrote:LOL - and it's even worse. The Ph.D.'s have decided Pluto isn't a planet any more.

A dwarf planet is still a planet...

And different Ph.D.'s have different opinions about which are planets and which aren't...
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No planet sudoku

Postby claudiarabia » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:47 am

QBasicMac wrote:
udosuk wrote:Pluto & Charon keep changing their distances from the Sun


LOL - and it's even worse. The Ph.D.'s have decided Pluto isn't a planet any more.

Mac


It's to bad Pluto isn't a planet anymore. I just wanted to do a Sudoku with all the nine Planets instead of numbers.:(

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Postby udosuk » Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:38 am

You could use the 8 (large) planets plus the Sun or the Moon (of ours)...
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Postby daj95376 » Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:29 am

Or you could create a puzzle using only eight givens/planets and call it the Hunt for Pluto -- <2>. The first assignment for <2> doesn't happen until past mid-way through the solution.

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*-----------------------*
| . . . | . . 7 | 5 . 1 |
| . . 7 | . . . | . 8 6 |
| . 9 . | 1 6 . | 4 . . |
|-------+-------+-------|
| 6 . . | . . . | 3 5 . |
| 8 . . | . 4 . | . . 7 |
| . 3 1 | . . . | . . 8 |
|-------+-------+-------|
| . . 3 | . 8 5 | . 1 . |
| 9 8 . | . . . | 7 . . |
| 1 . 6 | 4 . . | . . . |
*-----------------------*
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Postby udosuk » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:11 am

daj95376 wrote:Or you could create a puzzle using only eight givens/planets and call it the Hunt for Pluto -- <2>. The first assignment for <2> doesn't happen until past mid-way through the solution.

My suggestion would be to just include the 8 major planets and let the player decide which 9th symbol he/she would like to pick, be it the Sun, the Moon, Pluto or any other space object...:D
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Postby ravel » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:31 am

Puuh, and you have much time till you have to fix your choice.
Very hard puzzle, RMS 5, ER 9.0, gsfr 99252.
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Postby daj95376 » Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:03 pm

ravel wrote:Puuh, and you have much time till you have to fix your choice.
Very hard puzzle, RMS 5, ER 9.0, gsfr 99252.

Would you prefer three simple Superior Plus puzzles with 8-givens? (Naked/Hidden Singles and one Swordfish.)

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...5.7..6.67.84..12.5..6.4....7....3..1.5.4..4....2....4.1..6.21..47.53.5..2.3...
3..5.9..2..4..35......8..3..7..3.2.4.59.2.87.4.2.1..9..8..5......72..3..2..8.7..1
5...4.1..21.9.......75....21....634.....5.....263....16....57.......3.25..3.7...9
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Postby QBasicMac » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:15 pm

ravel wrote:Puuh, and you have much time till you have to fix your choice.
Very hard puzzle, RMS 5, ER 9.0, gsfr 99252.


http://www.network54.com/Realm/QBasicFAQ/hunhh.jpg

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Postby ravel » Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:45 pm

QBasicMac wrote:http://www.network54.com/Realm/QBasicFAQ/hunhh.jpg
Hm, i see a white page, is it intended (what will it say to me)?
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Postby ronk » Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:21 pm

ravel wrote:Hm, i see a white page, is it intended (what will it say to me)?

I took it to mean he didn't understand ... sorta like a blank stare.
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Postby QBasicMac » Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:52 pm

ravel wrote:
QBasicMac wrote:http://www.network54.com/Realm/QBasicFAQ/hunhh.jpg
Hm, i see a white page, is it intended (what will it say to me)?


Is that right!! That happened to me, too. I thought it was a feature of my old system.

I copied the URL and pasted it in the Address bar and it still didn't work. So I exited from www.sudoku.com and then tried it. It worked!

Evidently sudoku.com has some feature that stops URLs from my site.

If you want to see it, fiddle around. But ronk is essentially right, I was just expressing the equivalent of a blank stare ROFL but hopefully a bit funnier.

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Postby ravel » Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:42 pm

QBasicMac wrote:I copied the URL and pasted it in the Address bar and it still didn't work. So I exited from www.sudoku.com and then tried it. It worked!
I suppose it is a "feature" of this site, that you cannot get there over a link, but just by directly entering the url.
Nice picture:)
RMS stands for ravel's minimal steps, the rating i use in the hardest thread.
ER is for Explainer rating, the rating of the Sudoku Explainer program.
gsfr means gsf's rating, the standard rating given by gsf's program.
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Postby QBasicMac » Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:13 pm

ravel wrote:RMS stands for ravel's minimal steps, the rating i use in the hardest thread.
ER is for Explainer rating, the rating of the Sudoku Explainer program.
gsfr means gsf's rating, the standard rating given by gsf's program.


Thanks. Whew! Exhaustive.

I like your observation "I often spot a hidden pair before a naked single"

I also note that when solving without pencilmarks, I can easily spot hidden singles but naked singles are tiresome to find.

If I had a rating system of d0-d999, I would rate a puzzle that can be solved only by hidden singles d0 and one that can be solved only by naked singles d10. d9 would be mostly naked singles. d1 would be one naked single.

I still would give "has one hidden pair" as d11. They are a bit tough to spot for me.

Of course, with a pencilmark-showing program, naked singles stand out like a sore thumb.

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re: planets

Postby Pat » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:33 am

udosuk wrote:
claudiarabia wrote:It's to bad Pluto isn't a planet anymore. I just wanted to do a Sudoku with all the nine Planets instead of numbers.

You could use the 8 (large) planets plus the Sun or the Moon (of ours)


Luna (our Moon) should be counted as a planet -
Wikipedia wrote:Isaac Asimov suggested a distinction between planet-satellite systems and double-planet systems, based on a tug-of-war value that describes whether the presumed satellite is more firmly under the gravitational influence of the presumed planetary primary or the Sun.

In the case of our Moon, the Sun wins the tug-of-war:
its gravitational hold on the Moon is greater than that of Earth!


The opposite is true for other presumed satellites in the Solar System (with a few exceptions), including the Pluto-Charon system.

By this definition, the Earth and Moon form a double-planet system, but Pluto and Charon represent a true primary with a satellite.
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