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[urhegyi]

Has anyone on this forum tried a puzzle like thisone?
I did, but didn't succeed. Any hints?

[denis_berthier]

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The key is ASSISTS and its 4 Ss.
It can't be broken into horiz, verti or diag 3/3/3 parts consistent with sudoku rules.
It has to be broken into 2/1/2/1/2... parts along a small diag.
The only way I found to do this is from r7c6 to r2c1.
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[1to9only]

The only way I found to do this is from r7c6 to r2c1.

This should be r8c7 to r2c1.

[Edit] GNARLIEST can be placed 1st (before ASSISTS) or 2nd (after ASSISTS). See explanation is a later post.

Hint 1: Show

LEASING from r8c9

Hint 2: Show

TRIAL from r5c1 or r8c1 or r9c7

Difficulty: Show

The sudoku solves with singles only

[denis_berthier]

The only way I found to do this is from r7c6 to r2c1.

This should be r8c7 to r2c1.

right

[denis_berthier]

Hint 1: Show

LEASING from r8c9

Hint 2: Show

TRIAL from r5c1 or r8c1 or r9c7

Difficulty: Show

The sudoku solves with singles only

I'm curious to see how the sudoku would be solved by singles only after placing only LEASING and TRIAL according to your hints.
Where do you put the other two words?

[1to9only]

I'm curious to see how the sudoku would be solved by singles only after placing only LEASING and TRIAL according to your hints.
Where do you put the other two words?

OP mentions that the 5 words have to be placed before solving, and urhegyi does not mention how far he got with this.
HInts were asked, and I've provided enough hints for someone intent in solving the sodoku to be able to place all 5 words without additional help.
The sudoku with all 5 words in the correct position has a unique solution, solves with singles.

[urhegyi]

Thank you all for helping me with this puzzle.
The first word I found was ASSISTS, which has only one possible placement.
Later on I remarked that when leasing was found, gnarliest, with 9 positions could be placed too.
Trial has indeed three possible placements. What I did was replacing AEIGLNRST by 1 to 9. Then trial has only 5 odd digits. Then I remarked that placing it diagonally from R5C1 to R1C5 fixes some digits in box 1, and make it a solvable sudoku by singles.

[1to9only]

Starting grid:

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+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| GARLIST   N         GARLIST   | GARLIET   GARLIE    GARLIT    | ARLIEST   ARLIEST   GARLIEST  |
| GARLIST   GARLIST   E         | GNARLIT   GNARLI    GNARLIT   | NARLIST   NARLIST   GNARLIST  |
| GARLIT    GARLIT    GARLIT    | S         GNARLIE   GNARLIT   | NARLIET   NARLIET   GNARLIET  |
+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| GNARLIES  GARLIES   GNARLIS   | GNARLI    T         GNARLIS   | NARLIES   NARLIES   NARLIES   |
| GNARLIST  GARLIST   GNARLIST  | GNARLI    GNARLIS   E         | NARLIST   NARLIST   NARLIST   |
| NARLIEST  ARLIEST   NARLIST   | NARLI     NARLIS    NARLIS    | G         NARLIEST  NARLIEST  |
+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| NARLIEST  ARLIEST   NARLIST   | NARLIET   NARLIES   NARLIST   | NARLIEST  G         NARLIEST  |
| GNARLIEST GARLIEST  GNARLIST  | GNARLIET  GNARLIES  GNARLIST  | NARLIEST  NARLIEST  NARLIEST  |
| GNARLIEST GARLIEST  GNARLIST  | GNARLIET  GNARLIES  GNARLIST  | NARLIEST  NARLIEST  NARLIEST  |
+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+


The are 3 possible placement positions for GNARLIEST: r1c1 or r1c9 or r2c9.

One GNARLIEST placement leads to LEASING not being possible next.
Another GNARLIEST placement followed by ASSISTS leads to LEASING not being possible next.
This leaves only 1 placement position for GNARLIEST.

[Leren]

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*-----------------------------------------------------------------*
|G1      N2      A3     |R4     L5      I6      |E7     S8     T9 |
|S8       5      E7     |A3      2       29     | 456    456   G1 |
| 45     T9      I6     |S8      17      1      | 45     345   N2 |
|-----------------------+-----------------------+-----------------|
| 2357   R4      S8     | 125   T9       1235   | 25     257   I6 |
|T9       135     125   |I6      1234   E7      | 245    245   S8 |
| 2567    567     25    | 25    S8       245    |G1      24579 A3 |
|-----------------------+-----------------------+-----------------|
| 23456   356     2459  | 259    2346   S8      | 2469  G1     E7 |
| 2467    1678    1249  | 1279   12467   1249   |A3      2469  L5 |
| 234567  135678  12459 | 12579  123467  123459 | 24689  2469   4 |
*-----------------------------------------------------------------*

urhegyi's solution labelling GNARLIEST as 123456789 and the 5 words indicated. Congratulations urhegyi. The puzzle solves with singles.

To be clear the puzzle rules should say that you can overlap words and that words with non repeating letters can also be placed diagonally.

Leren