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[MCC]

Sorry about that Mike, I've edited the post.
I was in a bit of a rush; a funeral to attend and I would have been out all day.


MCC

[mikejapan]

Democracy in the Midle East?

The Iraq War?

Big Brother?

Pulp Fiction?

Star Wars?

The Mobius Strip?

The age of Aquarius?

The year of the dog?

The Patriot Act?

Captain Scarlet?

NSPD 51?

[udosuk]

My beginning is the ending of others.

Instead of taking a huge load of random guesses, let's get to the correct interpretation to the fundamental basics first.

"My beginning" is referring to the start of a certain thing (which is definitely not a human/animal as MCC pointed out). So it's either a physical object or an abstract concept. Which is it?

By "ending" it should mean "termination". There are several types of "termination". For example, "end of story" or "end of project" means some abstract concept is completed. On the other hand "end" could also apply to physical objects, such as "dying" if the object has a life, or simply disappearing/destroyed it's just a lifeless thing.

And "of others", does it mean "of all others" or "of some others but not all"?

And these "others", are they the same type as the main subject referred to in "my beginning"?

As an example, a black hole is the ending of everything in its proximity, but these things are not the same type of the main subject, namely the "black hole".

Or in similar context "apocalypse" is the ending of everything in this world.

On the other hand, some things are applied to terminate other things of the same type. For example, the shut down process of an operating system is used to terminate all other processes running at that time. So the "beginning" of this process is the "ending" of all other processes.

Is one of these examples the correct interpretation of that riddle (or along the right line), and which one is the closest to your intended answer?

I hope MCC can take some time answering all these, instead of a simple unhelpful "yes" or "no".

[mikejapan]

Is the answer to this puzzle, "the answer to this puzzle"?

[MCC]

Democracy in the Midle East?

The Iraq War?

Big Brother?

Pulp Fiction?

Star Wars?

The Mobius Strip?

The age of Aquarius?

The year of the dog?

The Patriot Act?

Captain Scarlet?

NSPD 51?

None of the above.

A Mobius Strip has no beginning; therefore no ending. (With no beginning does a Mobius Strip therefore exist?).

In answer to udosuk's questions:

It is a physical object.

Of some "others" but not all others.

The main subject is not of the same type as the "others".

It is not a negative feedback system.

Is one of these examples the correct interpretation of that riddle (or along the right line), and which one is the closest to your intended answer?

I suppose the nearest would be:

By "ending" it should mean "termination". There are several types of "termination". For example, "end of story" or "end of project" means some abstract concept is completed. On the other hand "end" could also apply to physical objects, such as "dying" if the object has a life, or simply disappearing/destroyed it's just a lifeless thing.

Is the answer to this puzzle, "the answer to this puzzle"?

It is not.

I hope MCC can take some time answering all these, instead of a simple unhelpful "yes" or "no".

I had already taken this on board before loggin on today. I realised I should be expanding on my answers.


MCC

[mikejapan]

Is it anything to do with individual items (plural) joining together to make one group (singular)? The individual items would still exist but be classed as being part of a new entity eg; 50,000 individuals go to a footy match and become a crowd.

[MCC]

Is it anything to do with individual items (plural) joining together to make one group (singular)? The individual items would still exist but be classed as being part of a new entity eg; 50,000 individuals go to a footy match and become a crowd.

The "What am I " subject is distinct, it exists as an individual item, although it can be thought of as part of an entity.


MCC

[Para]

What about the universe?

Started with a Big Bang and a Big Bang can be the ending of others(being blown up).

Para

[udosuk]

It is a physical object.

If it's a physical object, how come you used the word "beginning"? What does the "beginning" of a physical object (assuming lifeless) means? The manufacturing? The edge?

If the latter, an example would be "the blade of a knife/cutter/pair of scissors", which creates "ends" of various other objects cut by the tool. Is this close to your intended answer?

[MCC]

What about the universe?

Started with a Big Bang and a Big Bang can be the ending of others(being blown up).

It's not the universe Para, but, in general, you're more likely to see more of the universe than of the "subject"

It is a physical object.

If it's a physical object, how come you used the word "beginning"? What does the "beginning" of a physical object (assuming lifeless) means? The manufacturing? The edge?

If the latter, an example would be "the blade of a knife/cutter/pair of scissors", which creates "ends" of various other objects cut by the tool. Is this close to your intended answer?

udosuk you've made an assumption that has lead you down the wrong path.
This physical object can be touched, but not by you or I.
It is not lifeless but has no life.


MCC

[udosuk]

MCC, is this another astronomy-related riddle?

Could it be a certain asteroid that upon hitting the planet Earth would mean the end of us?

Added later:

Could it be related to the dwarf planet Pluto which in Greek mythology corresponds to Hades, meaning the hell (where some will end up in)?

[mikejapan]

Eris?

[MCC]

There is nothing astronomical about the "subject" at all.
It is more down to earth.
Although it is large, it is smaller than you are.


MCC

[tarek]

"hersal" apparantly is type of compressed file of some sort.......


"Thersites" would have been a good candidate is it was a "who am I" riddle.

On another tangent, Unless you've seen udosuk, I would say that the word we're after is <6 letters long

tarek

[MCC]

"hersal" apparantly is type of compressed file of some sort.......

It's nothing to do with computer software or hardware.

"Thersites" would have been a good candidate is it was a "who am I" riddle.

There's nothing stopping you from presenting a "Who; What; Where; Why; am I" tarek

On another tangent, Unless you've seen udosuk, I would say that the word we're after is <6 letters long

Letters not proceed along your line of thinking
The answer comprises two words. One <6 letters, one >6 letters.

Edit: 25/06/07
This appears to got you stumped, so a further two clues:

1 - The "subject" is wetter at the beginning than at the end.
2 - Over 700 species inhabit the "subject".

MCC