The Effortless Extremes thread

Everything about Sudoku that doesn't fit in one of the other sections

Postby ronk » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:55 am

Ruud wrote:
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ALS: A=(r5c13459:v145689), B=(r8c4+r9c5:v246), X=6, Z=4

.---------------.---------------.---------------.
| 2789 3    4   | 259  289  58  | 278  1    6   |
| 1    6    289 | 7    2489 348 | 5    249  38  |
| 2789 5    289 | 6    1    348 | 2478 249  378 |
:---------------+---------------+---------------:
| 589  4    3   | 159  6789 5678| 278  26   178 |
|A589  7   A1589|A1459A4689 2   | 3    46  A18  |
| 6    2    18  | 1-4  3    478 | 478  5    9   |
:---------------+---------------+---------------:
| 4    1    7   | 8    5    9   | 6    3    2   |
| 3    9    26  |B24   2467 467 | 1    8    5   |
| 25   8    256 | 3   B26   1   | 9    7    4   |
'---------------'---------------'---------------'

Although another exclusion is not required to solve the puzzle, those ALS sets provide others. The values for X and Z may be interchanged ... for r4c5<>6 and r8c5<>6 too.

And since sets A and B are doubly-linked, some values are locked within the sets. vB\xz = {2} may be excluded from cells that see all the 2s in B ... for r8c5<>2. Similarly vA\xz = {1589} could be excluded from row 5 ... if there were any.

[edit: But I see Mike has found a simpler ALS.]
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Postby RW » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:27 pm

I've added Ruud's puzzles to the list, thank you for the submissions.

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Postby wapati » Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:53 pm

Here is an easy xyz-wing. I hope it fits?

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. . . | . . . | 5 . .
. . . | 6 3 . | . . .
. . 5 | . 8 . | 9 . 1
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. . . | 8 . 6 | . . .
4 . . | . . . | 3 2 .
. 2 1 | . . 9 | . 8 .
---------------------
7 . . | 4 . . | 8 . .
2 5 . | 7 . . | . . .
9 3 8 | . 6 . | . . .
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Postby wapati » Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:02 pm

Here is a BUG+1 puzzle that may belong?

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. . . | . . . | . . .
7 . . | . 9 . | . . 6
8 9 . | . . . | . 4 5
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9 . . | 3 6 8 | . . 2
. . . | . . . | . . .
. 5 6 | . 7 . | 9 1 .
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1 6 . | 4 . 2 | . 7 9
. 2 . | 5 . 7 | . 8 .
. . . | . 8 . | . . .


This one is just barely easier and also BUG+1.

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. . 1 | . 5 . | 8 . .
. 2 . | . . . | . 7 .
3 . . | . 1 7 | 2 . 5
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. . . | 4 . . | 5 . .
9 . 3 | . . . | 4 . 2
. . 6 | . . 1 | . . .
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5 . 4 | 6 9 . | . . 7
. 3 . | . . . | . 4 .
. . 7 | . 4 . | 3 . .
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Postby Carcul » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:04 pm

Wapati wrote:Here is an easy xyz-wing.


The Almost Unique Pattern in cells r13c268 is also very easy to use.

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Postby wapati » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:34 pm

Carcul wrote:
Wapati wrote:Here is an easy xyz-wing.


The Almost Unique Pattern in cells r13c268 is also very easy to use.

Carcul


I see the pattern, I think. What do I do with it?
I am guessing that it means I can eleminate 7 from R1C68.

Is that correct?
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Postby wapati » Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:12 pm

BUG+2, I think.

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6 . . | . . . | . . 2
. . 2 | 6 9 1 | 4 . .
. 9 . | 5 . 3 | . 7 .
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. 2 3 | . . . | 7 8 .
. 7 . | . . . | . 5 .
. 1 4 | . . . | 2 6 .
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. 4 . | 7 . 2 | . 9 .
. . 7 | 9 4 8 | 3 . .
2 . . | . . . | . . 7
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Postby RW » Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:41 pm

Sorry for the slow reply, but the puzzles seem to be good, I'll add them to the list.

carcul wrote:The Almost Unique Pattern in cells r13c268 is also very easy to use.


Easy to use, but it doesn't seem to solve the puzzle, or maybe I'm missing something. I get stuck with a BUG+3 that I can use to eliminate '1' fro r1c5, but I think the XYZ-wing is easier to spot in this case. Actually you could also immediately use the BUG+5 to eliminate '7' from r1c9, but I suppose there's not many people around here who consider that an easy move...

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Forcing procedure

Postby Del » Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:48 pm

I apologize in advance if I am not conforming to the requirements of this thread but I would like to offer the solutions by the Forcing Chain (or should it be Forcing Net) method.

Grid of 3-10-2006 3.53p.m
After the preliminary clearances:
If r7c5=5, then r9c4=1, r9c7=4, r4c7=1, r4c8=9, r7c8=5.

Grids of 3-10-2006 4.02p.m.
No. 1
Last part:
If r4c3=4, then r5c9=4, r9c9=1, r3c7=1, r3c3=3, r9c3=7, r5c3=4.
No. 2
Last part:
If r8c5=2, then r8c3=9, r3c3=8, r2c5=8, r6c5=2.

Regards,
Del.

Grid of 4-10-2006 1.12a.m.
Last part:
If r4c4=4, then r4c9=9, r6c9=3, r6c4=8, r1c4=4, r1c6=7, r6c6=9, r5c6=4.

They are then solved with singles.
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Postby wapati » Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:50 pm

Here is a nice and easy Bug+1, full symmetry.

(I have no idea how minimal it is. How can I find out?)

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9 7 .|. . .|. 4 5
5 . .|8 3 4|. . 7
. . 6|9 . 5|8 . .
-----+-----+-----
. 6 9|. . .|5 2 .
. 2 .|. . .|. 8 .
. 5 3|. . .|1 6 .
-----+-----+-----
. . 4|2 . 7|9 . .
2 . .|3 6 9|. . 1
6 9 .|. . .|. 3 8
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Postby ronk » Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:25 pm

wapati wrote:Here is a nice and easy Bug+1, full symmetry.

I really like that BUG+1 because it's the first one I've seen with no placements in the box containing the BUG+1 cell. It's not something I've been watching for, but it may actually be the first I've seen with "no placements in the unit (box/row/co)l containing the BUG+1 cell".
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 9    7    8    | 16   12   26   | 3    4    5
 5    1    2    | 8    3    4    | 6    9    7
 3    4    6    | 9    7    5    | 8    1    2
----------------+----------------+--------------
 78   6    9    | 17+4 14   38   | 5    2    34
 4    2    1    | 56   59   36   | 7    8    39
 78   5    3    | 47   29   28   | 1    6    49
----------------+----------------+--------------
 1    3    4    | 2    8    7    | 9    5    6
 2    8    5    | 3    6    9    | 4    7    1
 6    9    7    | 45   45   1    | 2    3    8

RW, puzzle #3 in the BUG+1 list looks like a BUG+2, so you might consider moving it and adding wapati's.
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 2    5    9    | 36   8    1    | 7    46    34+6
 3    8    7    | 56   4    9    | 12   15+26 26
 4    1    6    | 35   2    7    | 38   58    9
----------------+----------------+----------------
 7    2    4    | 1    6    3    | 5    9     8
 1    6    3    | 9    5    8    | 4    27    27
 5    9    8    | 2    7    4    | 13   16    36
----------------+----------------+----------------
 6    3    2    | 8    1    5    | 9    47    47
 8    4    1    | 7    9    2    | 6    3     5
 9    7    5    | 4    3    6    | 28   28    1

Take my M+N split of r2c8 with a grain of NaCl.
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Postby RW » Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:07 pm

wapati wrote:(I have no idea how minimal it is. How can I find out?)


Under full symmetry it is symmetrically minimal. Under vertical, diagonal or rotational symmetry you can at least get it down to 26 clues and maintain the BUG+1:
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.......45...834..7...9..8...69...52..2.....8..53...16...4..7...2..369...69.......
.7.......5..834......9.58...69...5...2.....8..53...16...42.79......69..1.......38
.7.....4.5..834..7..69.58....9...5...2.....8............42.79..2...6...169.....38

You could also make a 24 with diagonal symmetry
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........55..8.4..7..69.58...69...52..2........53...16...42.79..2..3.9..1........8

but unfortunately it seems to require both a BUG-lite+1 and the BUG.

There's an applet here that shows redundant clues in grids, bit slow to use though (hold down shift and click in the grid to cycle through the values).

ronk wrote:RW, puzzle #3 in the BUG+1 list looks like a BUG+2, so you might consider moving it and adding wapati's.

You're right, I'll move it. Your diagram is correct, then just pair up the extra candidates (26) with the bivalue cell in r2c9 and you may eliminate all other candidates '2' and '6' in the box.

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Postby wapati » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:23 pm

Here is an xyz, full symmetry, easy as pie!
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1 . 3 | . . . | 4 . 8
. . . | . 1 . | . . .
9 . . | 7 8 4 | . . 1
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. . 6 | 8 5 9 | 1 . .
. 9 7 | 1 . 6 | 8 4 .
. . 1 | 4 7 3 | 6 . .
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4 . . | 2 9 7 | . . 6
. . . | . 4 . | . . .
5 . 9 | . . . | 7 . 4
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Postby RW » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:54 pm

wapati wrote:Here is an xyz, full symmetry, easy as pie!


Sorry, it's a BUG+1. Another XYZ-wing already failed for the same reason here.

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Postby wapati » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:35 pm

And this one, submitted earlier?

wapati wrote:Here is a nice and easy Bug+1, full symmetry.

(I have no idea how minimal it is. How can I find out?)

Code: Select all
9 7 .|. . .|. 4 5
5 . .|8 3 4|. . 7
. . 6|9 . 5|8 . .
-----+-----+-----
. 6 9|. . .|5 2 .
. 2 .|. . .|. 8 .
. 5 3|. . .|1 6 .
-----+-----+-----
. . 4|2 . 7|9 . .
2 . .|3 6 9|. . 1
6 9 .|. . .|. 3 8
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