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Postby tarek » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:32 am

Nice solution RW....I know you couldn't help it.......

I was just reminded by another post of yours by the Narrow solutions thread........ I will search for them again as I'm sure I stumbled on a couple while sorting some of my generated puzzles.

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a worthy puzzle [ 21 clues ], from t=2869

Postby Pat » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:14 pm

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 . 2 . | . . . | . 7 .
 9 . . | 5 . 8 | . . 4
 . . . | . . . | . . .
-------+-------+------
 4 . . | . 3 . | . . 8
 . 7 . | . 9 . | . 2 .
 6 . . | . 1 . | . . 5
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . . . | . . .
 5 . . | 6 . 4 | . . 1
 . 3 . | . . . | . 9 .

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lost posts ?

Postby Pat » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:25 am


          lost posts ?
    in some other Topic (which has apparently been lost),
    several quartet puzzles were posted (some "hidden", some "naked")
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a worthy puzzle ( 25 cells given )

Postby Pat » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:22 am

joel64 wrote:

      145 # 53
      25 cells given
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 1 . . | . . 2 | . . 3
 . 4 . | . 5 . | . 6 .
 . . 2 | 7 . . | 5 . .
-------+-------+------
 8 . . | . . . | 9 . .
 . 2 . | . 3 . | . 5 .
 . . 9 | . . . | . . 7
-------+-------+------
 . . 8 | . . 1 | 6 . .
 . 9 . | . 4 . | . 1 .
 3 . . | 2 . . | . . 8

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Red Herrings !!

Postby tarek » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:27 am

Nice one Pat,

This next one has a solution path that is challenging.

It would be interesting to see what is your Easiest/Shortest solution path :twisted:

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8...71....7....9..1..46..8....3.9.4.....18..8.2......3..8...5.......4.12.95.....
 . 8 . | . . 7 | 1 . . 
 . . 7 | . . . | . 9 . 
 . 1 . | . 4 6 | . . 8 
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . 3 . | 9 . 4 
 . . . | . . 1 | 8 . . 
 8 . 2 | . . . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 3 . . | 8 . . | . 5 . 
 . . . | . . . | 4 . 1 
 2 . 9 | 5 . . | . . .

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re: Red Herrings !!

Postby Pat » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:08 am

tarek wrote:
This next one has a solution path that is challenging.

It would be interesting to see what is your Easiest/Shortest solution path

    .8...71....7....9..1..46..8....3.9.4.....18..8.2......3..8...5.......4.12.95.....
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 . 8 . | . . 7 | 1 . .
 . . 7 | . . . | . 9 .
 . 1 . | . 4 6 | . . 8
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . 3 . | 9 . 4
 . . . | . . 1 | 8 . .
 8 . 2 | . . . | . . .
-------+-------+------
 3 . . | 8 . . | . 5 .
 . . . | . . . | 4 . 1
 2 . 9 | 5 . . | . . .



  • 2 moves — insufficient
  • 3 moves — not known, do tell me if that's possible
  • 4 moves — sufficient

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  • series of 3 moves —

    Jellyfish
    --> r48c2 "naked" duo ={5,7}
    --> (7) r9\b9

  • 4th move = any of these —

    • (2) c6\b8
    • (3) b8\c6
    • (3) c4\b2
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worthy puzzle ( 25 cells given )

Postby Pat » Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:28 pm

champagne wrote:

      145 # 91
      25 cells given
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 9 . . | . . 8 | . . 7
 . 6 . | . 5 . | . 9 .
 . . 8 | 4 . . | 3 . .
-------+-------+------
 3 . . | . . . | 2 . .
 . 1 . | . 7 . | . 8 .
 . . 5 | . . . | . . 1
-------+-------+------
 . . 1 | . . 4 | 7 . .
 . 9 . | . 8 . | . 5 .
 7 . . | 6 . . | . . 4

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Re: re: Red Herrings !!

Postby tarek » Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:31 pm

Pat wrote:
  • 2 moves — insufficient
  • 3 moves — not known, do tell me if that's possible
  • 4 moves — sufficient

4 moves here as well. I managed to bypass the Jellyfish with an XY wing but then you'll have to settle for an X-wing ...

I'm not sure if an Uniqueness technique can do better but I avoided that path.

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Postby Pat » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:10 am

tarek wrote:---I managed to bypass the Jellyfish with an XY wing---

i'm staying strictly within the "superior plus" definition
i.e. no XY wing etc



i chose to post champagne's puzzle because it needs so many moves —
  • 5 moves — insufficient
  • 6 moves — not known, do tell me if that's possible
  • 7 moves — sufficient

{ edit: } 6 moves sufficient when straying slightly beyond the "superior plus" definition —
allowing complex fish (Franken/Mutant)
Last edited by Pat on Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:58 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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2 Puzzles

Postby tarek » Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:26 am

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3....14..2...8..6...7.......1.47..5...9...7...8..56.9.......5...2..4...9..15....3
 3 . . | . . 1 | 4 . . 
 2 . . | . 8 . | . 6 . 
 . . 7 | . . . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 . 1 . | 4 7 . | . 5 . 
 . . 9 | . . . | 7 . . 
 . 8 . | . 5 6 | . 9 . 
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . . . | 5 . . 
 . 2 . | . 4 . | . . 9 
 . . 1 | 5 . . | . . 3

.9.456.2...59.18............1.3.5.8.3...2...1.........2.71.39.6..........8.2.9.4.
 . 9 . | 4 5 6 | . 2 . 
 . . 5 | 9 . 1 | 8 . . 
 . . . | . . . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 . 1 . | 3 . 5 | . 8 . 
 3 . . | . 2 . | . . 1 
 . . . | . . . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 2 . 7 | 1 . 3 | 9 . 6 
 . . . | . . . | . . . 
 . 8 . | 2 . 9 | . 4 .

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#1
3....14..2...8..6...7.......1.47..5...9...7...8..56.9.......5...2..4...9..15....3
 3 . . | . . 1 | 4 . . 
 2 . . | . 8 . | . 6 . 
 . . 7 | . . . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 . 1 . | 4 7 . | . 5 . 
 . . 9 | . . . | 7 . . 
 . 8 . | . 5 6 | . 9 . 
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . . . | 5 . . 
 . 2 . | . 4 . | . . 9 
 . . 1 | 5 . . | . . 3 
6 forms an intersection in b1/c2:[r79c2]<>6
9 forms an intersection in b1/c2:[r79c2]<>9
8 forms an intersection in b5/r5:[r5c8]<>8
45 is a hidden double in c6:[r2c6]<>3<>7 [r3c6]<>2<>3
7 forms an intersection in b2/c4:[r78c4]<>7
45 is a naked double in r2:[r2c2]<>4<>5 [r2c9]<>5
3 forms a swordfish in c2c5c8/r3r5r7:[r357c4][r57c6][r7c3]<>3
2 forms an intersection in r5/b5:[r6c4]<>2
23 is a hidden double in c3:[r6c3]<>4
1 forms an x-wing in r6r8/c4c7:[r2c7][r57c4]<>1
Puzzle Solved
358691427294785361167234985613479852549812736782356194436927518825143679971568243


#2
.9.456.2...59.18............1.3.5.8.3...2...1.........2.71.39.6..........8.2.9.4.
 . 9 . | 4 5 6 | . 2 . 
 . . 5 | 9 . 1 | 8 . . 
 . . . | . . . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 . 1 . | 3 . 5 | . 8 . 
 3 . . | . 2 . | . . 1 
 . . . | . . . | . . . 
-------+-------+------
 2 . 7 | 1 . 3 | 9 . 6 
 . . . | . . . | . . . 
 . 8 . | 2 . 9 | . 4 . 
59 is a hidden double in c9:[r3c9]<>3<>4<>7 [r6c9]<>2<>3<>4<>7
89 is a hidden double in b4:[r5c3]<>4<>6 [r6c1]<>4<>6<>7
4 forms an intersection in b4/r4:[r4c7]<>4
7 forms a swordfish in r1r4r9/c1c7c9:[r23c1][r356c7]<>7
37 is a naked double in b3:[r1c7]<>3<>7 [r3c7]<>3 [r3c8]<>3<>7
Puzzle Solved
798456123625931874134872695416395782359728461872614539247183956963547218581269347
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a worthy puzzle ( 21 cells given )

Postby Pat » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:36 pm

gsf (2008.Mar.31) wrote:

      # 24 # 43
      21 cells given
    8..3.1..2...........7.4.9..1.......9..6.5.7..2.......4..8.9.6...........3..4.8..1
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 8 . . | 3 . 1 | . . 2
 . . . | . . . | . . .
 . . 7 | . 4 . | 9 . .
-------+-------+------
 1 . . | . . . | . . 9
 . . 6 | . 5 . | 7 . .
 2 . . | . . . | . . 4
-------+-------+------
 . . 8 | . 9 . | 6 . .
 . . . | . . . | . . .
 3 . . | 4 . 8 | . . 1

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a worthy puzzle ( 25 cells given )

Postby Pat » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:52 pm

champagne wrote:

      25 cells given, no symmetry
    .....1..2.2..3.4...9526..7...3.....8.76...23.9.....1...4..7.5......2..4.7..9.....
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 . . . | . . 1 | . . 2
 . 2 . | . 3 . | 4 . .
 . 9 5 | 2 6 . | . 7 .
-------+-------+------
 . . 3 | . . . | . . 8
 . 7 6 | . . . | 2 3 .
 9 . . | . . . | 1 . .
-------+-------+------
 . 4 . | . 7 . | 5 . .
 . . . | . 2 . | . 4 .
 7 . . | 9 . . | . . .

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a worthy puzzle ( 26 cells given )

Postby Pat » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:57 pm

champagne wrote:

      26 cells given, no symmetry
    .....1...23..4.5..8.162..3...6.....7.28...49.1.....2......946....3.8..5.9..7.....
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 . . . | . . 1 | . . .
 2 3 . | . 4 . | 5 . .
 8 . 1 | 6 2 . | . 3 .
-------+-------+------
 . . 6 | . . . | . . 7
 . 2 8 | . . . | 4 9 .
 1 . . | . . . | 2 . .
-------+-------+------
 . . . | . 9 4 | 6 . .
 . . 3 | . 8 . | . 5 .
 9 . . | 7 . . | . . .

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re: 3 worthy puzzles

Postby Pat » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:59 pm


    all 3 rank very high

    my question is,
    which of the 3 is the best ?
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Re: superior plus puzzles

Postby Patrice » Fri May 18, 2012 7:18 pm

Hi, Pat

Following your message in Pattern Game, I tried to look in a small batch (63000 puzzles of the current game 175) if they are some "superior plus" puzzles.

Can you verify if the list is what you ask for :
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.8.5.......6..1.7.2...6.9...6..8......87.65......3..9...5.9...2.2.4..7.......3.1.;ED=3.8/2.0/2.0;
.1.7.......6..1.2.2...6.8...7..5......89.63......8..9...5.1...2.9.4..6.......3.7.;ED=3.8/2.6/2.6;
.5.7.......6..1.4.2...9.8...7..5......81.63......3..9...4.1...2.2.4..7.......3.1.;ED=3.8/3.8/2.6;
.8.9.......6..1.4.2...6.8...4..5......81.23......3..9...5.1...3.9.4..6.......7.1.;ED=3.8/3.6/3.4;
.8.7.......9..1.2.2...6.8...4..5......81.63......3..9...5.1...2.7.4..6.......9.1.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.8;
.8.7.......9..1.2.2...6.8...7..5......81.63......3..9...5.1...2.3.4..7.......9.1.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.8;
.8.7.......6..2.4.9...6.5...7..5......81.63......3..9...5.1...2.2.4..7.......3.1.;ED=3.8/2.0/2.0;
.8.7.......6..1.5.2...9.8...7..5......81.63......3..9...5.1...2.2.4..7.......3.4.;ED=3.8/3.8/2.6;
.9.7.......6..1.4.2...6.8...7..4......45.63......8..9...5.1...2.2.4..7.......3.8.;ED=3.8/2.6/2.6;
.1.7.......7..1.4.9...6.8...7..4......25.63......3..9...5.1...2.8.2..6.......3.8.;ED=3.8/2.6/2.6;
.1.7.......6..9.4.2...6.5...7..4......45.63......3..9...5.1...2.9.4..7.......3.1.;ED=3.8/3.4/3.4;
.1.7.......6..9.4.2...6.9...7..4......85.63......3..9...5.1...2.2.8..7.......3.8.;ED=3.8/3.8/2.6;
.1.7.......6..1.2.2...6.8...7..4......85.63......8..9...5.1...2.6.4..7.......3.4.;ED=3.8/2.6/2.6;
.1.7.......6..1.4.3...6.9...7..4......85.63......2..9...5.1...2.8.4..1.......3.8.;ED=3.8/2.8/2.6;
.5.7.......6..9.4.4...6.8...4..5......81.63......2..9...5.7...2.7.2..6.......3.1.;ED=3.8/2.6/2.6;
.5.7.......6..1.4.4...6.8...4..5......89.63......2..9...5.7...2.7.2..6.......3.1.;ED=3.8/2.6/2.6;
.3.7.......9..1.4.4...6.8...1..5......81.23......3..9...5.1...2.7.4..6.......9.8.;ED=3.8/2.0/2.0;
.2.7.......6..1.4.7...6.8...1..2......81.93......3..9...5.7...2.7.4..6.......2.8.;ED=3.8/2.0/2.0;
.5.7.......9..1.4.4...6.8...1..5......81.73......3..9...5.1...2.3.4..6.......9.8.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.4;
.4.7.......9..1.2.2...4.8...1..5......81.63......3..9...5.1...2.7.4..6.......9.8.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.8;
.6.7.......9..1.2.2...4.8...1..5......81.63......3..9...5.1...2.7.4..6.......9.8.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.0;
.3.7.......6..1.2.2...4.8...1..5......81.43......3..6...5.1...2.7.9..4.......6.8.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.8;
.9.7.......6..1.2.2...4.8...1..5......81.43......3..6...5.1...2.7.9..4.......6.8.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.8;
.5.7.......6..1.4.2...4.8...7..5......81.43......3..9...5.8...2.2.4..7.......6.3.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.8;
.1.7.......9..1.4.4...6.8...2..5......81.63......3..9...5.1...4.7.5..2.......9.8.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.8;
.3.7.......9..1.4.4...6.8...1..5......81.63......3..9...5.1...4.7.2..6.......9.3.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.8;
.2.3.......9..4.7.4...6.8...1..5......81.63......3..9...5.1...2.7.5..6.......9.5.;ED=4.0/3.0/3.0;
.2.4.......9..3.4.4...6.8...1..5......81.63......7..9...5.1...3.7.5..6.......9.8.;ED=3.8/2.0/2.0;
.2.3.......9..1.4.4...6.8...3..5......81.63......3..9...5.7...2.7.4..6.......9.8.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.4;
.2.3.......6..7.4.4...8.7...1..5......81.63......3..5...5.1...2.7.5..6.......9.8.;ED=3.8/2.0/2.0;
.2.7.......9..3.4.4...6.8...1..5......31.65......3..9...5.1...2.7.4..6.......9.8.;ED=3.8/2.0/2.0;
.2.7.......9..1.4.4...6.8...8..5......51.63......3..9...8.1...2.7.2..6.......9.8.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.8;
.2.7.......9..1.4.4...6.8...1..5......81.73......3..9...7.1...2.3.4..6.......9.8.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.4;
.2.7.......9..1.4.4...6.8...1..5......81.65......3..9...5.1...2.6.4..3.......9.8.;ED=3.8/3.8/3.4;
.2.7.......6..3.4.4...9.8...1..5......81.23......3..6...5.1...2.3.5..6.......9.8.;ED=3.8/2.0/2.0;
.4.7.......6..2.4.3...6.8...1..5......81.63......8..9...5.1...4.7.5..2.......9.5.;ED=3.8/2.0/2.0;
.2.7.......6..3.4.3...4.8...1..5......81.63......8..9...5.1...4.8.5..7.......9.1.;ED=3.8/2.0/2.0;

3.8 = swordfish
the puzzle 4.0 uses also a swordfish and a hidden triplet

If this is what you are looking for, I can provide you many more... but quad or jellyfish are rare !

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